[OOC] Running and Gunning - Higan Vs. The Magna Pater

[MelonHead]

Also for the record your argument that gunfire echoing throughout the cave would somehow give your character greater clarity of vision is laughable at best. Animals that use echo-location above the surface of the water, bats, have exceedingly sensitive hearing and would be running away in fear and generally disorientated by something as loud as a chain-gun blasting away a few feet from its head. I'm sure you're ignoring all the limitations of your character's echolocation, but I'd appreciate it if you didn't bullshit science advantages that don't exist.

[Doc Doctor]

@MelonHead

You yourself should know how big the Magna Pater is compared to the pauldron, and its spatial awareness. A high jump? Hardly. I meant what I wrote and wrote what I meant. That protrusion wouldn't even go past Slimy's forearm if it were leaning on its claws, and at the time it was totally sitting up.

What's more, given Slimy's size, it would be right next to the pauldron.

Odd how it is that now you suddenly are imagining my character as small as I had mistakenly been doing early on.

When Higan was sprinting down his mowed down path of trees, I never pointed out all of the stumps he could have tripped over, because it is plainly obvious that any half wit wouldn't do so.

I'm not cheating, you're nitpicking. Also, nowhere on you character profile does it mention how the mech can feel resistance, especially from something weighing around 35 times less than itself. You are adding details after the fact again, so if I were you I wouldn't talk of cheating.

The sum of the matter is, I felt it redundant to mention something that the Magna Pater would have zero trouble with, and you think its something you can exploit.

[LeeRoy]

I gotta be honest, the mech is way heavier than it needs to be.

[MelonHead]

Higan is literally controlling the Mech's arms and legs, the pauldron is connected to the arm. I never said Slimy tripped over the pauldron and got shot did I, I said it would have had to pass over the pauldron to clear itself off the Mech, impeding its progress and revealing which direction the Pater jumped off. It's by the same merit as if you were in a car and a lion jumped up on top of the roof, if it then launched itself off the side you would feel it inside the car. Same process here, except Higan's arms are literally connected to the Mechs so it's more noticeable which direction the pressure comes from.

You failed to point out that your character carefully stepped over the pauldron, aware that touching it would reveal its escape. Last I checked the Pater just threw its weight rightward and dived out the way, logically it would use anything it could find to help in that endeavour and may well have clawed its way over the pauldron to get extra lift. Fact is, I can interpret things you leave deliberately vague how I wish, it made very little sense to me that the Pater would choose to dive off the side with a literal barrier to its speedy escape, so it cost it. That's your mistake.

However, what you can't do is go back and change what your character did after realising your mistake. You could appeal for a judge and try and make the claim that your post suggests the Pater avoided the pauldron and therefore Higan has no knowledge of where it is, though considering you didn't mention it at all but did move right over it I fail to see what merit that argument has.

You're acting as if I've made the Pater trip over, when in actuality I've just accounted for something you've ignored and used it to my character's benefit.

[MelonHead]

I gotta be honest, the mech is way heavier than it needs to be.

@LeeRoy

Yep, I know, I'm planning to change the weight after the fight. I based most of the stats off the tank I was researching, but upon greater consideration it's still too heavy. I'll probably drop it down to ten tonnes or so.

[LeeRoy]

That'd be way more reasonable, considering the size. Though I'm a man who prefers real life supermaterials for machines than regular steel, so my mechs are considerably lighter than most. Save for gundams.

Because Gundanium.

[LeeRoy]

Also, this is the most cheeky fight I've ever seen with the literal best argument I've ever seen.

[Doc Doctor]

You said that Slimy "conveniently tore apart his own method of flight" by hitting the pauldron. I consider that to be a trip. What's more, I left little to be vague about what my character did. It lunged to the right and off the mech, and I mentioned nothing of its progress being impeded, presumably because the metal plate you speak of is about as troublesome as a stump on the trail, which reminds me to again repeat how I didn't try to turn Higan into a bumbling sap by ignoring his competency and flat out stating that at least one the multitude of stumps he was sprinting through at 70 mph should have tripped him, simply because you didn't mention them.

That's what you're doing, and boy, isn't it swell to dwell on what could have been but isn't? Let me say that again. What could have been but isn't?

[MelonHead]

"conveniently tore apart his own method of flight" You did that yourself you idiot, your character literally ate his own wings mid-flight which was convenient for Higan because it meant he couldn't just fly away. Literally all I did with that pauldron is detect which direction your character flung himself off my damn Mech while avoiding another of my attacks, so don't put words in my mouth.

[Doc Doctor]

@MelonHead

So you meant when Slimy bit its wing. I thought you were implying that it hadn't even gotten the chance to fly because of the pauldron.

But then again, how do I know what you meant? I mean, I only have your word, and you've shown me that anything can be interpreted in any way, so long as it helps win a fight O.O.C'ly.

If Slimy did touch the pauldron, it wouldn't have been hard enough to draw attention. It's not some gook that bumps into chairs.

[MelonHead]

@MelonHead

So you meant when Slimy bit its wing. I thought you were implying that it hadn't even gotten the chance to fly because of the pauldron.

But then again, how do I know what you meant? I mean, I only have your word, and you've shown me that anything can be interpreted in any way, so long as it helps win a fight O.O.C'ly.

If Slimy did touch the pauldron, it wouldn't have been hard enough to draw attention. It's not some gook that bumps into chairs.

@Doc Doctor

The way I saw it Slimy had two options to get off the Mech fast enough to escape the chain-gun, if he wanted to go right (why you wanted to go right I do not know, probably the worst decision). Either dive directly off the Mech from the point it was at, at which point at least some of its very long and injured body would have caught on the pauldron and revealed it, or as is more logical and likely, Slimy would claw its way rightward and throw itself off the Mech from the pauldron. Either way, Slimy is a solid 300kg, that's enough weight throwing itself into or off the arm to draw attention, it's not like Higan has anything else to go on in his blind Mech.

[LeeRoy]

It's not some gook that bumps into chairs.

@Doc Doctor

I swear to god thought you made a racist joke about a clumsy Korean. I can without a doubt say, that for about thirty seconds I was more confused than I have ever been in my entire life.

[Doc Doctor]

@MelonHead

If a tiger launched itself off the top of the mech, I doubt it would let its hindpaws smack into anything unless it was panicking. The Magna Pater is both very, very intelligent, and many times more agile than a tiger. I did not mention the pauldron, but I also never mentioned anything impeding Slimy. Namely, because nothing up there can impede Slimy, and I thought that was obvious.

The plate isn't high enough to warrant Slimy needing to claw its way over.

[MelonHead]

It literally has no idea that the pauldron is going to reveal its position, not to mention haste is really the only thing that matters to the Pater if it wants to avoid being perforated with chain-gun rounds. The only information one has to go on from your post is your character lunging to the right and throwing its weight to the side, neither of these things suggest it leapt clean over the pauldron, therefore one can assume that the Pater made some contact with it before it left the Mech, because it is there quite clearly in the picture and that's the direction you chose to dive in, without any mention of your character sailing clean over the pauldron with no contact.

You can either accept that you should have mentioned the pauldron, as regardless of how meagre an obstruction you deem it, it is still a very obvious one and one that bears mentioning at such a crucial juncture, or you can ask for Pollen again and see if they feel Higan detecting the Pater leaping off his mech's right side was unfair.

Once again I should point out your character carries out another flawless action after another flawless dodge, you suggest it's lithe and agile without a medium of panic, and yet its ribs are broken and its lower stomach stuck to the top of the Mech, which hardly suggest to me that the escape should be as perfect as you describe.

My tiger example was to explain how Higan would feel the weight of the creature leaping off from inside the vehicle.

[Doc Doctor]

@MelonHead

As I said, even if it did make contact it wouldn't be enough to alert Higan. It's not going to give the pauldron a good bump.

And perhaps the reason my character is injured is because it actually isn't meant to be invincible, unlike other characters. It takes damage when it has to, but it won't bump hard into something if it doesn't have to.

And in addition, Higan thinks the Magna Pater is trapped. For all he knows, it could be rocking back and forth in a mad craze trying to escape. In fact, why would Higan think a bump on his shoulder would be out of the ordinary, given that circumstance? It could be thrashing like crazy up there, but thanks to the nice little bit of sight he has remaining (whose description had changed from "a few spots around the middle" to "one thin strip of light patches about two thirds of the way across if one started by looking leftward") and an instinct to look at right place at the right time...

[MelonHead]

Higan only thought the Pater was trapped when I thought the situation was different and wrote things differently accordingly. If his Mech's back had slammed into the wall without any bodily resistance as you insist he probably wouldn't have thought it was trapped at all.

[Doc Doctor]

@MelonHead

Slimy is soft and squishy, there wouldn't be any bodily resistance when smashed by 30 tons.

[MelonHead]

'Rather than the dull metallic clang Higan had been expecting the thirty tonne A.S.P had caught Slimy between itself and the rough stone wall.'

This never actually happened though, as you explained to me that in fact your creature was conveniently perched with none of its body overhanging, which I accepted. However, you can't have that and still expect Higan to think the creature is stuck, the only reason he would have thought it was the difference in the Mech slamming into the wall.

[MelonHead]

@MelonHead

Slimy is soft and squishy, there wouldn't be any bodily resistance when smashed by 30 tons.

@Doc Doctor

Evidently, when I first assumed that was what happened your character probably should have been hopelessly crushed, I still believe it should be, but I don't force people to take more damage than they choose, poor form.

[MelonHead]

(whose description had changed from "a few spots around the middle" to "one thin strip of light patches about two thirds of the way across if one started by looking leftward")

I then quite clearly emphasised it was 100-120 degrees, which is by anyone's standard 'around about the middle' two thirds would have actually been 135 degrees or more, it was more of a guesstimation by Higan than a literal description. Though please, do continue to try and pick apart my posts rather than answering my ultimatum, judge decision or accept the move.