[OOC] Fate/Stagnant Apotheosis

[ADamnFiddle]

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@Unoedipal

Fuck. I can't even be mad.

[KoL]

@Zobozun

Nah, madness is good, man. It liberates one's mind. And now... I imagine the chaos that would ensue if the True Rasputin was summoned as Caster, instead of Fox Waifu.

Please don't fight on the Church doorstep.

This is neutral ground.

@Unoedipal

Nothing is gonna happen there, Neither Saber nor Lancer are heathens, after all. To say the truth, this war has a rather high concentration of Christian heroes, including three who got famous for fighting the Muslims. I bet that Lancer, Saber and Rider would have at least a bit of a sense of camaraderie between them once their identities come out.

That said, Saber should be able to tell that Rider is the King of Jerusalem (but maybe not exactly Baldwin) on sight, since the Crusades were still raging during her life and she traveled into Muslim lands during her exile, but since Baldwin is a few decades younger than Saber she wouldn't know him directly, unless it's like how the Celtic Heroic Spirits seem to know each other even when they weren't of the same age.

[ADamnFiddle]

instead of Fox Waifu.

@KoL

I, for one, welcome our Kitsune overlords.

[Lonewolf685]

Would you really I rather my coordinate Servants to best compliment the enemy? Do you feel nothing for Fox Waifu?

[KoL]

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I, for one, welcome our Kitsune overlords.

@ADamnFiddle

Don't look at me, I'm not complaining, bro.

[Zobozun]

There's a number of problems with that assumption KoL.
Most notably, isn't your character actually El Cid's younger sister who took on his identity after he died and thus would know jack all about Jerusalem save for at best what was written in her brother's diary?

[KoL]

After he died before the Exile, she was the one living with the Muslims and absorbing their culture. That's why she has made allies of them, even them, knowing of the King who actually could issue the call for a Crusade in an age where they took place would be more or less common between nobility, such as she.

[ADamnFiddle]

@Zobozun

The unknown younger sibling of Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar, best known as El Cid Campeador (The Warring Lord), she switched places with her brother when he perished, due to an unhealed wound, shortly before being sent into exile and swore to uphold his dying with of seeing their homeland of Castille being free again.

From there on she fought under the banner and name of her brother, demonstrating the tactical acumen and bravery that would one day turn El Cid into Spain's most celebrated hero. Not once she felt that she was living a false life, though, and as matter of fact, most who actually met El Cid in person were impressed to know that he was indeed a woman. Despite this, El Cid forbid herself of ever using her birth name again, so that the only one to go down in history was her beloved brother.

@KoL

Doesn't say that Female El Cid didn't do all the exploits featured within El Cid's historical and lore-related topics. Therefore whatever El Cid did Female El Cid also did.

[Zobozun]

So whether or not a servant knows something is completely divorced from historical background and common sense.
Of course, I should have known.

[KoL]

So whether or not a servant knows something is completely divorced from historical background and common sense.
Of course, I should have known.

@Zobozun

I'm not saying it's divorced of common sense. But history means little on the Throne, you know.

What I'm saying is that what she would do is pretty much like look at an American soldier and say "Hey, that guy is an American Captain!"

[Unoedipal]

I don't see why this conversation matters, since direct recognition on sight isn't going to happen as far as this RP goes unless there was direct interaction in-life, and El Cid and Baldwin were about a century apart.

[KoL]

Just to note: All Heroic Spirits know of Excalibur and King Arthur to the point that the Grail had to create the baseless BS known as Invisible Air, to help ease Arthuria's handicap. It doesn't matter where or when you lived, if you're an HS you know Arthuria, find me something more senseless than that?

[ADamnFiddle]

@KoL @kusanagifire @Moonman

tbh you should just form a trio of heretic hunters.



@Unoedipal

Yeah pretty much this.

[Unoedipal]

the Grail had to create the baseless BS known as Invisible Air

@KoL

Merlin made it.

It's also not "If you're an HS you know her" as much as "If you're an HS you know Excalibur".

[KoL]

I don't see why this conversation matters, since direct recognition on sight isn't going to happen as far as this RP goes unless there was direct interaction in-life, and El Cid and Baldwin were about a century apart.

@Unoedipal

Indeed, which is what I said all along. But the coat of arms of the Kingdom of Jerusalem and the King's Crown are there, that's enough to say they are from Jerusalem, just like any half decent historian of the Middle East would be able to. Pinpointing that he's Baldwin is a whole different ball game than calling a general location.

[Zobozun]

The equivalent of seeing a guy in an American military uniform and recognizing him as American military would be looking at Baldwin and thinking "this guy must be a crusader", rather than "this guy must be the king of Jerusalem".
There are a metric ton of famous historical figures who participated in the Crusades and the various seiges of Jerusalem and picking him out as something so specific is a load of bull. Dude isn't even wearing a crown, he's in cavalry armor.

[KoL]

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Merlin made it.

It's also not "If you're an HS you know her" as much as "If you're an HS you know Excalibur".

@Unoedipal

Still has no basis on Arthur's legends, so it keeps on being baseless BS.

Indeed, but you do know that King Arthur is the blade's owner (doesn't mind if you lived in Japan, or the middle of the Pre-Colombian Americas, you know and respect Excalibur). Knowing that Arthur is in truth Arthuria is another thing, and the reason most get shocked at first, still it's the same thing in a way.

[Unoedipal]

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Indeed, which is what I said all along. But the coat of arms of the Kingdom of Jerusalem and the King's Crown are there, that's enough to say they are from Jerusalem, just like any half decent historian of the Middle East would be able to. Pinpointing that he's Baldwin is a whole different ball game than calling a general location.

@KoL

Yeah, that's fine. Given that the Jerusalem cross is hardly something you had to know Baldwin to recognize on face, the conclusion that "he's probably from Jerusalem" isn't out of the question. Anything further, less so.

The equivalent of seeing a guy in an American military uniform and recognizing him as American military would be looking at Baldwin and thinking "this guy must be a crusader", rather than "this guy must be the king of Jerusalem".

@Zobozun

Pretty much this. "He's probably from Jerusalem" is fine, "He's probably a king of Jerusalem" is less so.

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Still has no basis on Arthur's legends, so it keeps on being baseless BS.

Indeed, but you do know that King Arthur is the blade's owner (doesn't mind if you lived in Japan, or the middle of the Pre-Colombian Americas, you know and respect Excalibur). Knowing that Arthur is in truth Arthuria is another thing, and the reason most get shocked at first, still it's the same thing in a way.

@KoL

In the actual legend, sure. In the legend in the Nasuverse, no. The difference is that nobody here's Nasu.

[KoL]

The difference is that nobody here's Nasu.

@Unoedipal

You don't imagine how much the "We aren't X." Line disappoints me when playing a fandom RP. It makes everything you look like you're just stealing someone else's work.

[Lonewolf685]

Man, this is a heated debate in reaction to an event that has YET to happen.