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I get what you guys are saying I just think there needs to be more limitations on the war orders. While Outcast is great, he is not omnipotent. In certain instances he cannot know whether a player is doing something for RP reasons or just doing it to game the system. In the Mexican example, as Mexico is allied with FFGB they theoretically have a justifiable reason to declare war on China now that UR is at war with them.
Pepperm1nts said
Orders are far too precious to be used on just one thing, Dannaroo.
What I'm saying is it gives an unfair advantage. What's to stop, say, Mexico from declaring war on China right now and using the three extra war orders to build some ships, increase number of regulars and conduct army drills to increase army level. Then using his 4 normal orders as usual. Mexico has no intention of actually attacking China in any way. China is zero threat to Mexico (it is about to be blockaded/invaded by European powers). So what is to stop someone from doing that to gain an unfair advantage?
So Boerd said
Outcast has to keep it close to the vest because there is no interest. If there was interest, then default would simply be when you income was less than debt maintenance
Yes that is problematic.
solamelike said
I think if you reach -100,000 you default and your country goes into chaos. That's what I thought was going to happen anyway...
A limit would be good. But having an arbitrary value as a limit doesn't make sense. It should be determined using a percentage of your economy or something.
The Nexerus said
How is a nation with war orders able to expand their navy faster than one without? You can buy tens of thousands of pounds worth of ships in a single turn. The reason people don't is because it costs ten of thousands of pounds.
I think its been established previously that debt is pretty meaningless in this game. In my opinion debt should have a negative effect on income (ie interest repayments)
The Nexerus said
There's no net difference between one normal order for five ships + one war order for five ships vs. one normal order for ten ships.
Looking at previous updates there seems to be a certain build capacity that your shipyards are limited by. This could potentially be circumvented by multiple ship-building orders in one turn.
@pasta I can't blame you for doing it. I would do it too if I were you.
Dedonus said
So you're just using this "war" to take advantage of three more orders. That's not meta-gaming at all..
This.
I think it's probably more than three extra though if you count war updates inbetween the main updates. To me, it's unfair that one nation is able to expand their navy faster than another just because the first nation is at war. In my opinion war orders should be used for troop/fleet movements only.
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