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Gah, drat. Sorry, something just came up on my end personal-life-wise, so I'll have to abdicate my position. Sorry.

Best of luck to all of you, though. Have fun.
You know, if we add the irregular classes everybody would have a Servant.

Jus' sayin'.


The irregular classes aren't mechanically disallowed, you'd just need to make it a different Grail than the fuyuki one. If it's a fake war, it'll be a different system.

Dunno what those classes are, though. Not familiar with them. :/


Saver is like a messiah character.

Avenger doesn't really work because of its mechanics.

Shielder is the knight of the Shield.

Ruler should probably be avoided.



Btw, I'd like it if people don't use Mystic Codes (since it is following the anime and not anything else). So spells/regular magic are good.


Azoth dagger, Thompson Contender, Mercury Moeblob, etc are all Mystic Codes. ._.
Alchemy – A natural marriage of the arts of science and magecraft, Alchemy allows matter to be converted into different forms through the use of prana. It also theoretically can allow the conversion of matter into energy and energy into matter since both are intrinsically convertible. Matter to energy is a great deal easier to perform than energy to matter conversions. High level alchemist are also able to convert phenomena.


That's not really how Western Alchemy works. It's not really a blend with science, science+magecraft kills magecraft's mystery. Since you don't have spells that "apply" that though it's fine, I guess.

Flash Air


FYI this is literally one of the most useless possible magecrafts you could have. Like, it's incredibly, incomprehensibly bad. The only people who can use it to where it's useful are the Ainsworths, to any other modern magus it's pointless. You can't really do anything of value with it.

Transmutation – The ability to manipulate the configuration and properties of an object or material at its most basic level, such as increasing or decreasing the durability or density of an object. As a chemistry student Louise has a very firm understanding of the principles that underlie and dictate the properties of materials and is naturally proficient in this arena of Alchemy. Louise’s Transmutation requires that the material to be ‘changed’ is physically present in reality and can be interacted with directly, along with certain preparative measures such as the appropriate magical circles. Unlike the aptly named ‘Reinforcement’ Transmutation takes longer to implement and is far less battle worthy as a result.


Yeah don't worry. Transmutation is completely different to Reinforcement. Transmutation's material altering, like Iri's birds. Reinforcement is enhancing something on a conceptual level.
Shouldn't we just let twilight dragon decide on this whenever he or she is back?


Oh yeah, absolutely. Like I said when I first posted a Nasu statement, the degree to which Nasuverse canon is taken here is 100% up to Dragon. I'm just saying what works in canon and what doesn't; if Dragon wants to allow things that wouldn't work in canon, it's their RP after all. Similarly, if they ask me to stop posting things like these because we're not abiding strictly by Nasu mechanics, then I'll gladly do so.
There any complaints/comments about my beserker on the previous page? there have been different levels of effecting with the mad enchancement, so i hope i did ok with it.


Mad Enhancement doesn't double STR, for one. It just ranks it up.

What’s wrong with using the Runes to empower the paper, much like it is used to empower a body? Runes are like Magic Crests, so in turn you are giving the paper a pseudo Magic Crest. From that point, the paper is part of the materials for whatever alchemic procedure he is conducting, add the ink to the paper and there are more materials. Heck I think I just described a stamp, slap that on something and boom, you have fire or whatever the rune does. Add that to whatever spell you just wrote up and you can have a chain reaction. I'm aware it doesn't work like this, and that is taking some liberties, but hey, I think it can be interesting.

Leaving work rite now. I'll be back in a few hours.


Nasuverse alchemy isn't like FMA alchemy or something. Either way, what he's talking about (creating stuff via altering matter) is possible, but for a modern magus it'll require prep, and lots of it. Runes don't really have a point in that. You can compound spells against one another though, like using a wind spell and then using a water spell to reach a synergistic effect; it just doesn't have much relevance to this.
It sounds like you are combining Alchemy with Runes to mimic (lack of a better word) other forms of magecraft. I like this. How about you use special ink to write the Runes? Like anything related to fire you use ink infused with ashes, or ink with sea salt for water. Could help cover the equivalent exchange, also infusing the ink with your own blood could add an extra kick. Or the blood of others. Or part of your servant, now there is something, especially if they are from the Age of Gods.


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What the runes are drawn in doesn't matter. You can gild it in gold, draw it with a finger in mud, paint it in dragon blood, or outline it with smoke from a poor-quality cigarette. It won't change what the rune does, because the magical foundation has been already contacted and the effect is made. You can't "alter" spells like that.
Words of power will literally kill him if he tries to pull off anything large or extremely complicated. I can change how the ability works, I suppose. The way I think of it is like a summoning circle, but instead of, I dunno, summoning something as powerful as a magic servant from the depths of history he can use it to create simple objects by describing them. The paper is consumed in the construction and it will take matter from the area around it, I'll add that too.


That's closer to Alchemy than anything else, but it's not just alchemy because you need Structural Analysis and not just a word in order to create what you want. Also you need more than writing down a word; you'll need an aria, you'll need a magic circle, etc.

Rune magic exists in the Fate world, and this is honestly just rune magic that uses English (or whatever language our characters are ostensibly speaking) instead of ancient symbols in the case of the fireball spell. Easier, yes, maybe. Limited to paper instead of being able to just draw the symbol from a distance? Yes.


Oh. Yeah, that doesn't really work. Runes generate mystery because of their origin; in Nasuland, the giants of Scandinavia and whatnot invented the runes, they're originally a Phantasm Race demi-human deal. Modern day runes have inherited some of that mystery, such that passing prana through the symbols accesses that Magical Foundation. It's all about the Magical Foundation. Modern pleb English doesn't have a Magical Foundation, so that won't work.

That said, you can totally have runes. Rune that shoots a fireball and stuff. That's fine. For your swords, there are other ways you can get a sword, like hiding it inside pages or something a la Ciel; that fits your guy's theme pretty well anyway.

As for the name thing, he cannot just write a name like "Saber" down and get anything off of it. He has to write the full real name of the person in question, and he can't magically tell what it is–it has to be told to him. The information will appear on the sheet of paper where the name is written. His incantations are in the form of writing, which allows him to focus his efforts without quite as long a process as a long spell. It's a shortcut, but it also makes him dependent on the time and materials to write whatever it is he's trying to do down.


No, see, you're not getting it. You literally cannot do that. Doing that is like accessing the Akashic Record or something. You're reaching into the data of reality via the "name" as a means of access to view certain bits of information. That's beyond modern magecraft. Hell, it's beyond AoG magecraft. It's just not a thing, and even if it was, having him would mean he'd be way too busy getting chased by Alaya-tan or something to bother with a Grail War. Heck, he wouldn't even need the Grail to begin with, he has his own route to [ ] already.

There is no spell that can do what you're talking about. Want to read someone's mind? Sure, you can do that to get info on them. Suggestion to make them tell you stuff? Feel free. What you're doing though, as it is now, is tantamount to accessing the Akashic Record.
Bloodcasting:
In a pinch, Joren is capable of using his own blood as the material for writing his spells and as a source of mana. Such an effort, however, will cost him a huge amount of energy and will possibly kill him–so he’d much rather not use it. He can use the blood of others as well, though he must do it by physical contact with the fluid in question and he’s sworn to never use it.


This isn't a special thing. Some magi drink blood to replenish their od; bodily fluids contain some life force in them, with the lewd one being the most efficient. That said, using the prana in your own blood is just using your own od, which is kinda bad because od is shitty compared to mana. Nobody uses od to cast stuff, cause you have like, no od inside you. Basically, you can do this but also everyone else can do it too.

Remember the Name: By writing a person or Servant’s name on a piece of paper, Joren can read their abilities and a few of their personal details. The amount of the name he has changes his power–a full name lets him see every ability, but just a first or last name gives him around half.


This just isn't a thing. The Ruler Class has True Name Sight as a Class Skill, but that's A. Given by the Grail and B. Exclusive to Servants because they're also made by the Grail. To somehow automatically figure out every ability someone has is like, accessing the Akashic Record and sorting through it for data or something. My Caster needs her A rank Noble Phantasm to do stuff along those lines, and even then it's not automatically getting info so much as scanning for and observing it through the cup. The way you're trying to do it, especially by modern magus standards and with the fact that there's not even an aria, just doesn't work at all.

Words of Power: By far his most useful ability, Joren is capable of writing a word on paper and summoning an item with it. Most have to be simple, or writing the description takes too long to be of use. This is how he does basic mage abilities like fireballs and the like: by describing them on a sheet of paper, then triggering the enchantment when necessary.


So what you're doing here is kind of like Wishgranting. That's what the Grail does, as well as things like Illya because she's a cup. Certain other things in the Nasuverse can do things like that too, but none of them have Magic Circuits, so they couldn't be a Master anyway. That said, what you're doing isn't Wishgranting because it's a summoning ritual, but for a summoning ritual you need more than just writing a word down on a piece of paper. Also you need to be summoning stuff from somewhere, and as far as this is concerned there's no real way to make this work the way you want it to.

If you want, the best way to sort of do what you want is something similar to what Ciel does in hiding Black Keys inside Bible pages. You could have some pieces of paper with stuff hidden in them, like a knife or something, I guess. It's shaky but it probably works mechanically. You won't be able to get the fireball thing to work though, that's just not how it works.

Other: Joren always carries a magically enhanced pen that has an infinite supply of ink behind his ear and two pads of notecards in his pockets.


If it has an infinite supply of ink you'll get crushed by the Counter Force, or something. Just give him some ink cartridges.
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