Jotunn Draugr

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@Jotunn Draugr

Well you dont know the man personally so lets not start calling him polite, or that he saves kittens in his spare time. There is not enough time to consider every wacky alternative view, would you honestly be taking him just as seriously if he thought that the stork delivered babies or that the earth was flat? These arent even religous veiwpoints by the way.

And you are presenting a false dhicotomy, everyone who isnt a creationist is an 'elitst' unless you are calling everyone with a school level understanding of science an elitist. I'm not saying Ben Carson is an evil man because he has stupid ideas, but a stupid idea is a stupid idea. You roast democrats and liberals on far less for their opinions on how they think the world should be run, I dont call you an elitist for not considering the perspectives of a socialist or a communist. You've clearly considered the views and you think they are dumb, hence you dont think they should run the country, regardless of their academic acheivements in economics.

And this 'huge portion' thing is a lie, most people ARE NOT creationists. Most Christians believe in evolution and the scientific method, and most people who believe in the scientific method ARE christians. You undermine everyday church going people when you attactch creationism to their wordviews, your majesty.

@Dynamo Frokane

1. Yes, they aren't religious viewpoints, so they're irrelevant to the discussion. We're discussing whether a man's credibility (and intelligence, apparently) is lost because he is devout in his religious faith.

2. I'm not calling everyone who isn't a creationist an elitist. I'm specifically calling you an elitist, because that's exactly what you are if you completely dismiss a massive segment of the population completely, based on a single religious tradition they abide by. Not only are you discounting this huge portion of humanity, but you're not even doing it on grounds that they're academically unqualified, or in any other way discredited. You're taking a belief they hold, which isn't necessarily relevant to the vast majority of their role in society, and making it the overwhelming determining factor for their value as a human/citizen/intellectual/civil servant. I have no problem with atheists, because unlike you, I don't judge entire swaths of humanity (in all aspects of their lives) by a single belief they hold. I'm saying that you, as an individual, are putting yourself up as an opponent to Ben Carson's legitimacy, as an individual, and are coming across as an elitist.
Also, I do consider the opinions of socialists, liberals, democrats and communists, and I judge their platforms as they stand, not on the personal traditions and conventions of the person espousing them. This is what I'd consider "peanut gallery" behaviour.

3. Most Muslims are creationists. Most Hindus (including the various sects, like Hare Krishna) are creationists. A lot of Buddhists are creationists. Devoutly religious Jews (especially those in non western countries) are creationists... Or were you discounting the entire world outside of your own back yard?
And I never once said the majority of Christians were creationists. They are a sizable chunk of the West, and an even larger chunk of the global population. I never once attributed qualities to all of Christianity. It's only you here, who continues to lump entire sections of humanity in groups that you then write off as being homogeneous.

How about treating people as individuals, rather than dehumanized collectives, your majesty?

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Online polls were regularly declaring, like, 90% for Bernie back in the spring. Of course, the Media isn't exactly a better judge, but they seem to know that, and most media personalities I have seen have been tossing in grains of salt with their reports. You know, always talking about how bizarre this election is and how they ultimately can't figure out what is going on, before they go on with their opinion. I think the real indicator will be how the professional polls look, and we got at least a week if not two before those come out in large enough numbers to tell a story.

My own opinion, I expected him to do well, but I don't think he did well at all. I was surprised by it actually. He is good on the offensive but petulant and weak in the defensive, so I assumed he'd take the offensive. But instead he played his weakest hand and came off like he was way out of his league.

Hillary came off as robotic (The way she awkwardly felt her way up to that "I call it trumped up Reaganomics" line was like watching a blind man having sex for the first time). She always has seemed robotic. This is especially true when she is answering a moderator question. Clinton's debating style always comes off to me like a college freshman who practiced a few choice lines in a mirror and sort of ad-libbed the rest, because it always feels like she is setting herself up to deliver the line she had practiced. It's awkward and unimpressive. She did better when rebutting Trump's ideas, especially that one time where she did that aside to America's allies, I felt that made him look like a little boy getting apologized for by his mother.

But Trump comes off exactly like a cartoon villain in an old saturday morning cartoon. He starts off cocky, then slowly looses his cool, spouts generically evil lines, and starts falling apart near the end. It sorta felt like Batman should jump up any minute, kick him into the lava, say some corny line, and then credits role. He also has this thing for petulance. Like, let your supporters bitch about the media, don't do it yourself. A presidential candidate whining about the media... i mean, here you have a bunch of spineless milquetoast upper-middle class reporters and you're going to say they are being mean? How the fuck you gonna lead the free world if those people are enough of a challenge for you to call time-out? A billionaire whining about how the election is too hard... that doesn't inspire anything but disgust in me, guy. Man the fuck up.

The biggest danger for Trump in these debates I think will be himself. Clinton is not charismatic enough to do him in, he has to do it himself. He said Trumpy things in August and had bad polls. He toned it down in September and had really good polls. But if that is how he is going to act in a debate, he really is in danger of saying Trumpy things again, and he can't afford to do that in October. This is the home stretch. What happens in this next month will actually stay with the voters. He did really well with the TPP line, actually managed to choke her up, so whatever he did there he'll have to learn how to hold if he is going to win this thing. But if he plays it, like, basically the rest of that debate, he's going to have to hope for outside forces to get him the swing votes. Pray for an economic collapse (again), or something like that.

Meanwhile, I can say that the debate only really reinforced my resolve to vote third party this year. The next president is going to be some sort of disaster or another, so fuck it.

@Vilageidiotx

You know what, you make a good argument. Not for voting third party, necessarily, but for getting a can of gasoline and just burning as much shit as possible.

In all seriousness, even though I support one, I acknowledge that they're both horrible in many ways, and I respect your democratic right to demonstrate this discontent with a vote for someone else entirely.

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Atheism VS Theism is a different thing, you dont get plus or minus points for either as you cant really prove if there is or isnt a god either way, its sort of just what reasoning you use to presume which is more logical.

Creationism DOES make you stupid, as creationism isnt a simple as I believe in a higher power, its anti-scientific biblical literalism. Its believing things that have been proven false. The correct correlation would be creationism vs rationalism or scientific method. Any one running for president who thinks god 'magicked' the world in 6 days is a moron, period.

@Dynamo Frokane

The sign of an educated man is when he can entertain an idea, without accepting it. If you can't so much as empathize with creationists, regardless of their academic and occupational accomplishments (which clearly demonstrate that their abilities haven't been retarded by their faith), it doesn't reflect well on you. You're presenting everyone who reads this forum with a choice, between an elitist who can't consider the perspectives of others (and declares a massive portion of humanity, even a huge faction of western civilization, to be "stupid", "anti-scientific", "moron[s]"), and a polite, world-renowned brain surgeon (who casts no such aspersions on you for your beliefs, even though he thinks you're just as wrong as you think him to be).

Forgive me, your majesty, if we side with the brain surgeon.

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So The Donald just sort of lost that debate, what are your thoughts on that?

@Dynamo Frokane

Really? Looks like almost every poll says that he won.

Personally, I thought it was a wash. They both came out looking horrible. He had her in the beginning on trade, and she was stuttering over herself trying to think of a comeback, but then the moderator started outright arguing with Trump closer to the end, and he had to completely go on the defensive. Hillary really just through out accusations faster than Trump could dispute them, but he seemed actually more solid on specific policies.

What's your take?

Google Picture War

Nah man, still too fat...

Now this is the good shit...

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Are you going to watch the debate?

@Dynamo Frokane

Probably not live. I've got company at that time, but I'll try to catch it after.

You?

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He won't keep you safe though, wrong side of his reelection campaign wall. Might try to annex your healthcare or something.

@Vilageidiotx

But let's be honest here. Even if Canada has to be wiped of the face of the Earth, to make America "great", "again", isn't that worth it? Have you seen those tremendous hands? That man knows building, and loves the poorly educated, and Mexicans, and has lots of good words, and will make great, great deals; the best deals.

Ps: Tremendous deals. Deals so good, your head will spin.

Pss: And he'll "bomb the shit out'a ISIS".

Psss: Tremendous bombs. The best bombs. I mean, look at those bombs, are those nice bombs or what?

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I'm sorry Jotunn, I respect your opinion, but this^^^^ is pretty much what you have been doing in every thread I've seen you in. Sort of why we are all here.

@Dynamo Frokane

I have my limit.

Now Donald Trump, on the other hand, isn't afraid to tell the truth. He'll stand up for you, even if it's politically incorrect.

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I'd like to remind all Americans to carry out a communist revolution and slaughter the disgusting parasites we call the rich. It will lead to a better standard of living for all Americans, regardless of race or gender.

@Keyguyperson

You see this? You see this call to violence?

This is why you have to vote for Donald Trump. He will keep us safe.

#makeAmericaGreatAgain

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The proof is in the pudding fellas, think about your canary in the mine @j8cob. He spoke about race realism in a fairly honest and non politically correct point of view and no one has said anything to him. So I'm really curious to what you are so afraid of?

I promise that no big scary SJWs from tumblr are gonna come get you if you talk about race realism, you are safe here brah.

@Dynamo Frokane

Dude, it does me no good to discuss controversial politics, especially things like that, with a stranger on the internet. I will, however, take the opportunity to remind all Americans to vote for Donald Trump. Not for "race realism" reasons (an African American brain surgeon is one of the heads of his campaign), but because his policies will see a wage increase and a higher standard of living for all Americans, regardless of race, gender, or what have you.