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A medieval singer or musician or entertainer, usually remembered as one who sang or recited lyric or heroic poetry to a musical accompaniment for the nobility, it can however be applied to most forms of live entertainers.
@Lucius Cypher Doesn't notice Sapphire is decked out in weaponry.
@Lucius Cypher@harinezumikouken It just occurred to me that your characters have been talking about going to the Emerald Forest to uncover the mine where SASG destroyed the combat mech. Except the HoB cast had their initiation in the Forever Fall forest, it was the official RWBY cast that started in the Emerald Forest. Not sure how to reconcile that, maybe just an edit somewhere.
Sapphire Rode - Cafeteria ==> Armoury
Abel took several seconds to reply to Sapphire's question. Assuming he was tired with the start of the morning still ahead she paid it no mind. When he did start speaking however Sapphire's partner started slowly before shooting through several sentences with apparent confidence before lapsing into an uneasy silence. Sapphire got a sudden feeling from him that she'd never felt during their team discussions or training excises, social awkwardness. Abel had always struck Sapphire as rather stoic and preferring few words. This sudden idea that he was more nervous of talking to people than he was of slaughtering Grimm shattered her stalwart image of him. Feeling strange about this revelation Sapphire let the seconds drag on in silence despite what she could have said about the necessity of history to planning tactics and mathematics to the forging of weapons and its application to the physics of their every day work. Eventually they both finished their meals and Abel got up to leave, presumably for the Emerald Forest.
On a whim Sapphire decided to go to the armoury. If she was being honest with herself she was rather unhappy with the design of her armaments. Not her nightmare blades, despite not being the originals Somnus and Melinoe performed just as well as their predecessors. It was her shotgun/polearm that she was finding fault with. Though the general layout was not bad she found the overall use of it to be rather bulky and unwieldy. She was considering that maybe a different type of weapon might be better suited to her. To find out though she'd have to go through the different styles. The armoury had a decent selection of sample weapons. They were all basic, no bells, no whistles but if she was looking to get a feel for a different style they would suffice.
As she walked towards the armoury Sapphire thought about weapon classes. The structures of different blades went through her mind as well as a number of different ranged weapons that went beyond firearms. Something with a bit more precision would be interesting to work with. A crossbow for example. Sapphire had trained with hand crossbows when she was little but it had been a year or two since she'd last picked one up. As she thought about her options Sapphire walked through the armoury's design studio where a number of kids, including two of her teammates appeared to be sketching, measuring and calculating. She passed this area into another that looked much more like an actual armoury. Rows of different weapons of ever shape and size lined the walls or hung from the ceiling. Racks had been set up in the center to hold even more armaments.
There was another door leading out of the room that opened into a small padded space with a single target dummy. It was nothing compared to the practice area or gym but perfect for a student looking to test a new type of weapon before taking it somewhere else. Sapphire tested a variety of different styles ranging from sniper rifle to gauntlets. In the end she came out with five weapons for melee, a combat scythe, an arming sword, a katana, two scimitars and a simple quarter staff as well as three for ranged including a boomerang, two hand crossbows and a 9mm firearm. It was a bit heavy but the swords and staff had straps and the scythe collapsed leaving only the ranged weapons for her to carry in her hands.
With her arsenal now picked picked out Sapphire decided to head somewhere she could test their viability in unpredictable conditions. She briefly considered the Emerald Forest since she'd never seen it personally but decided against it. She was using unfamiliar weapons so familiar terrain would be a better idea. She would go to Forever Fall.
As Sapphire walked back through the armoury drafting room she caught a few words of what her teammates were talking about with one of their yearmate. She and Sapphire only had the mandatory classes together but the azure haired warrior still remembered her name, it was something to do with blood... Sangue.
Who they were talking to wasn't the important part, it was what they were talking about. The few sentences that Sapphire heard Gren say seemed to indicate that they were trying to replace Sangue's admittedly rudimentary prosthetic with something a bit more cybernetic, not a bad idea though if Sapphire were Sangue she would have gone to a professional. The part that made Sapphire stop was that Gren seemed to be suggesting major surgery to have the machinery fused directly with Sangue's existing nerves.
Sapphire didn't know Sangue's personal situation, how she'd lost her arm or why she'd want a new one now but she did know that getting life altering surgery on the recommendation of two of your college peers was a severly ill advised idea. Surprisingly enough it was Shiro in this situation acting as the voice of reason by instead suggesting a series of neural sensory chips. Feeling the need to say something before either of her teammates did permanent damage to the poor girl Sapphire started to speak.
"Hey guys lay off. The last thing she should be doing is making potentially irreversible decisions on the advise of a couple of teenagers. Then Sapphire turned to address Sangue directly. "I know there enthusiasm can be..." Sapphire paused for a brief moment to find a word that didn't make it sound like she thought her teammates were maniacal. "...infectious but you don't have to do what they say unless you feel it's necessary." Sapphire glanced at her teammates with something between annoyance and disdain. "And whatever you do, she said addressing all three of them now. "Talk to a professional first. I'm not an expert on neural technology but from what I know sensory input chips have to be modulated specifically for each user and often recalibrated monthly. It's not something you want your teenage dorm mates doing for you." Sapphire glanced at Gren. "I don't know what kind of back alley surgeon you have on your speed dial but if you're really going to push for cybernetic implantation take her to see a real doctor." Not that Sapphire didn't think Gren was professional but somehow the image of him knocking on a backdoor and being led into a shady surgeon's theater fit into her idea of him a lot more than the thought of him sitting in a waiting room for an appointment.
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I kow I'll never live this down........ Shiro
DEATH! DEATH TO THE INTERLOPER!
Sapphire, because Gren will conquer her!
Keep your unrealistic fantasies to yourself.
@Lucius Cypher
That is a bunch of technojargon to justify your argument there is absolutely no reason why his systems would have to function in that manner. The real problem is that if machines made to manipulate and use aura in such a manner exist for Gren who's machines are all at least several years old then they should exist fairly standardly in the show in a mundane setting. Hunters could use this tech to increase there aura output, hunter weaponry should include these devices to increase how well they can be used as aura conduits, the power companies should be able to use it in their industry. You've made a very clear point of the fact that Gren's tech is old and outdated. Which means it should be fairly widely available if not on the open market then on the underground ones for those with money. Yet there is no evidence of that. It is much more logical to assume he runs off something much more standardized.
Also no reason to assume that a clean renewable energy source would have to be more advanced than their aura manipulation technology which we have seen two examples of in the show both of which have been kept very secret and by all indications are new innovations.
Atlus has had a certain type of police android that was recently replaced with a newer model early in the show. It is not unreasonable to assume they have been around for years and have just such a power source. A police android that runs out of power during the course of its duties would not be very effective at what it was designed to do.
Again, why would his aura not be even distributed if he has a specialized organ made precisely to distribute aura through his body? If his aura isn't evenly distributed through his body, then he couldn't move it in the first place. Aura is effectively his blood, and it's the reason why EMP's are even effective against him since they fry the circuits his aura can flow through. Gren's power source is suppose to be able to allow him to distribute aura throughout his body evenly, both for the purpose of making it function as well as protecting him. The idea that it's not active all the time or unevenly distributed means that he's either turned off, or a part of his body isn't working i.e. is broken.
That is a bunch of technojargon to justify your argument there is absolutely no reason why his systems would have to function in that manner. The real problem is that if machines made to manipulate and use aura in such a manner exist for Gren who's machines are all at least several years old then they should exist fairly standardly in the show in a mundane setting. Hunters could use this tech to increase there aura output, hunter weaponry should include these devices to increase how well they can be used as aura conduits, the power companies should be able to use it in their industry. You've made a very clear point of the fact that Gren's tech is old and outdated. Which means it should be fairly widely available if not on the open market then on the underground ones for those with money. Yet there is no evidence of that. It is much more logical to assume he runs off something much more standardized.
Plus a clean power source, even an electric one, would require even more advanced tech then simply being powered by aura, which we can at least assume doesn't have any sort of byproduct. Sure he does need biofuel for his thrusters and his extra electronic bits like his built in phone and camera uses electricity, but those could be safely disabled/their power source removed without affecting Gren's ability to function. At worse he looses mobility, communication, and perhaps the ability to make his helmet cover his face at will. Otherwise we'll end up back to that discussion with the fusion core since apparently he's now running off some sort of engine or fuel that is small enough to fit inside his body but has a power output strong enough to power him indefinitely, especially considering the sort of feats of strength and endurance he preforms.
Also no reason to assume that a clean renewable energy source would have to be more advanced than their aura manipulation technology which we have seen two examples of in the show both of which have been kept very secret and by all indications are new innovations.
Atlus has had a certain type of police android that was recently replaced with a newer model early in the show. It is not unreasonable to assume they have been around for years and have just such a power source. A police android that runs out of power during the course of its duties would not be very effective at what it was designed to do.
@Lucius Cypher
Not weaker, simply not evenly distributed. The aura should emanate from his body, when you lose a limb the limb does not keep generating aura, it is dead. Whatever aura existed in the limb now exists in the rest of the body just with less surface to cover. So Gren's entire aura is concentrated in what little organic tissue his has left, which I believe is his brain and a handful of vital organs. Now the aura can be extended outside of the natural body, channeled through weapons to increase their durability, pack a bigger punch and so forth. Doing so should dilute the aura the further it gets from the source. So Gren would be capable of pumping his aura out from his organic tissue to the exterior of his mechanized body but doing so would require a conscious effort and create a weaker field compared to those generating it on the surface of their skin.
And taking the wrong lesson from the conclusion to a discussion. What we nixed was the potential for Gren's power source to be either radioactive or explosive. It could still be an alternative clean power source, it doesn't have to be aura. The EMPs could easily only shut down his superficial functions because his core cybernetics are shielded. A simple explanation for his limbs and such not being shielded is that it would make him unreasonably unwieldy for the task his upgrades were made to perform.
Not what I said in the least.
His aura being less reliable is essentially why he has a boatload of other talents, stop gaps and redundancy to fall back on which everyone else doesn't.
I'm listening but I think the aura is better thing to nerf as all of his physical upgrades are made to increase his durability, and strength, nerfing his (let's face it) magical abilities that contribute to that is the perfect counter balance.
That's assuming that just because Gren lacks most of his original body, his aura is suppose to be weaker. This isn't Star Wars where cybernetics are inherently conflicting with mechanical parts or even armor. Besides that most of his aura already goes into making the machine work anyways, and that isn't limited to just allowing him to move. It effectively pumps his aura throughout his entire body like a mechanical heart, precisely so he doesn't need to constantly focus on pumping his spiritual blood all the time. With the benefit of doing what aura is suppose to do anyways, like protecting its person.
Not weaker, simply not evenly distributed. The aura should emanate from his body, when you lose a limb the limb does not keep generating aura, it is dead. Whatever aura existed in the limb now exists in the rest of the body just with less surface to cover. So Gren's entire aura is concentrated in what little organic tissue his has left, which I believe is his brain and a handful of vital organs. Now the aura can be extended outside of the natural body, channeled through weapons to increase their durability, pack a bigger punch and so forth. Doing so should dilute the aura the further it gets from the source. So Gren would be capable of pumping his aura out from his organic tissue to the exterior of his mechanized body but doing so would require a conscious effort and create a weaker field compared to those generating it on the surface of their skin.
Gren's aura is constantly active for both protecting him and allowing him to live much like Sapphire is constantly breathing. Because as discussed before, Gren's aura is what is powering his body (since we also nixed the idea of alternative energies like dust or fusion cores). We also had mentioned that while EMPs are effective against Gren, it's not instantly lethal, only that it shuts down a vast majority of his functions beyond what's keeping him alive. I.e. Moving at all.
And taking the wrong lesson from the conclusion to a discussion. What we nixed was the potential for Gren's power source to be either radioactive or explosive. It could still be an alternative clean power source, it doesn't have to be aura. The EMPs could easily only shut down his superficial functions because his core cybernetics are shielded. A simple explanation for his limbs and such not being shielded is that it would make him unreasonably unwieldy for the task his upgrades were made to perform.
The idea that he's constantly struggling to make his heart use his aura to just keep him alive is frankly kinda ridiculous,
Not what I said in the least.
...not to mention making him much more of a liability If he can't rely on his aura to serve a basic function everyone can do.
His aura being less reliable is essentially why he has a boatload of other talents, stop gaps and redundancy to fall back on which everyone else doesn't.
If you want to nerf him that badly, I'm willing to satisfy that desire by limiting his semblance instead, shortening its range and adding more caveats to avoid being affected by it.
I'm listening but I think the aura is better thing to nerf as all of his physical upgrades are made to increase his durability, and strength, nerfing his (let's face it) magical abilities that contribute to that is the perfect counter balance.
My mistake she wasn't enrolled at Beacon but the point of her being in Vytal Festival would have to be the same. You can test combat capabilities in the lab, even bring in hunters of a greater caliber than those found at the academies to test her against. What you can't replicate in the lab is human societal interaction beyond a basic level. She would have to be immersed in the real world for that purpose. But the real reason to assume that she is a prototype is that Beacon is still functioning at all. Penny is the equal of any hunter and requires far less time to be prepared for combat. She would make huntsmen obsolete as well as saving the lives of those that would normally have to combat the Grimm. The fact that her model hasn't replaced hunters and that Atlus is still developing other humanesque military tech such as the police like androids and the paladins suggests that she is at least for the moment one of a kind.
For the last time Ebon's drones were not powered by his aura. He had telekinesis which he literally used to hold the drones up in the air. On X-Men you wouldn't say the jeeps Magneto was throwing at the military were powered by his X-gene. It's the same thing. The drones had no interaction with Ebon's aura, they were being suspended in the air by his semblance.
You stated that he had machines that could amplify his aura and be powered by it. That is a loop creating an infinite amount of energy and while yes it would require someone to work as a human battery there is a very simple way to get someone to agree to that. You take all of the money meant to go into procuring and refining the dust required for a large scale power plant, you offer them half of it. They make a shit load of money and you double your profits, basic economics. Even if the tech would leave them scared for life there are most definitely people in situations bad enough or desperate enough to accept such an offer.
Which comes back to my original argument of Gren's tech being way older than Penny's extremely innovative ability to create an artificial aura. You can't just make a piece of technology larger to show it is an older model. Penny's tech shouldn't have existed at the point in time that Gren got his upgrades and if it did should be available to basically anyone by present day.
Well I wasn't until you said that but while on the subject that analogy is kind of poor as you won't die if your car fails to start. You will die if your mechanical heart gives out. At the very least you'd think he'd have a specialist to look him over every so often to make sure the parts of him that he doesn't understand are still working. But I'm not starting that argument.
My point which I think is becoming somewhat distorted is that because of his cybernetics his aura would have to extend from his remaining organic tissue leading to an overall decrease in protective ability and an increased strain on Gren while he is using it in that capacity.
I just had the best god damned waffles of my life.
Can I have some?
What indicates that Penny was a protoype was the fact that she was still in testing phase. She was enrolled at Beacon to test her capacity to pass as human and the part of her AI that controls social interaction. The fact that this needed testing means that the andriod while complete was not finished with the quality control phase of production. That means the likelihood is that she was the only one as building more androids off a schematics you are not entirely sure is viable is just foolish.
Aura is a type of energy but I don't recall anything indicating that it could be used as a power source or that it could be amplified by mechanical means. Penny as far as we are aware was the first foray into synthetic aura production but let's assume for a moment that she wasn't. The technology you are proposing exists in Gren is suppose to be outdated, several years old at least except that same tech would make all of the power systems in RWBY completely and totally obsolete. If you can build machines that are powered by aura and machines that amplify aura there wouldn't be a need for any other form of power supply such as the dustricity that is most common on the show. Aura has no byproducts, it is a completely clean energy source if it could be used in that fashion. The fact that Remnant still operates on other methods means that it can't.
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