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Precipice of War - We Write Under The Sign Of The Goat

TIL people enjoy Arizona.

@Vilageidiotx

TIL Arizona isn't just a story to scare kids.

Precipice of War - We Write Under The Sign Of The Goat

The horrors.

@duck55223

OH FUCK GUYS YOU GUYS IT'S RIGHT BESIDE MY WINDOW I'M SO SCARED WHAT DO I DO OH FUCK OH FUCK OH FUCK

Precipice of War - We Write Under The Sign Of The Goat

I have heard tales of an "outside". No air conditioning, no beds...no internet...it frightens me. Let's hope I never have to face this strange "outside" in my life.

As long as you don't try to get Central American countries into the Third International we can have a begrudging peace. Otherwise, though, it's on.

@Mihndar

BRING IT ON YOU BRAZILIAN PIGS But seriously though, like Aaron said, the Third International apparently doesn't have much interest in North American affairs. Odds are, if any sort of alliance is formed between Mexico and Central American countries, it'll probably be unrelated to the Third International. It's most likely going to be an economic alliance or a defensive pact, if anything happens at all. Plus, keep in mind what the US might do if more of their neighbours went red. ;)

Precipice of War - We Write Under The Sign Of The Goat

Honestly, I think a lot can be done with Mexico. There's a whole bunch of Caribbean and Central American countries in Mexico's backyard. Even if they don't seek to invade them, there's a lot that can happen with them, be it positive or negative. To the north, there is of course the growing anti-communist US, which I suspect will be attempting some form of overthrow of the socialist regime, be it via invasion or a financed coup d'état. Then there's Brazil and their alliance to the far south—will Mexico become swallowed in the rising tide of South American influence? As for distant, non-American affairs, I agree that Mexico will likely not be heavily involved with, if at all. I will go ahead and say now that the country will pledge and provide support to any leftist movements if it can, be it in the Old World or in the New. Also, should I post the sheet in the OOC or the character tab? I'm still relatively new to this forum, despite what the "been here for over 100 days" thing would have you believe.

Precipice of War - We Write Under The Sign Of The Goat

Noice. Dat Comintern tho I gots to head out somewhere. I'll whip up a sheet for Mexico within the hour.

Precipice of War - We Write Under The Sign Of The Goat

Alright, alright, sheesh. I'll drop the idea, then, if you guys really don't think it'll succeed. rip in sample text native rebels Hm...what of playing as Mexico? Not Mexican rebels or any of that, but the socialist-led country itself.

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As well in Mexico, the indigenous customs of the pre-Colombian natives are much more infused with the Mexican identity than that of the US or Mexico which overtook native customs and culture and replaced it with their own anglo-European customs. Many Mexicans are already natives already and are not particularly concerned with native uprisings. Reason being: why rebel against yourself? Mexican aboriginal culture assimilated itself with European ideology pretty readily. If we're going to consider Religion as being the qualifier for whether or not a Mexican is truly aboriginal or not than they'd be just as much in the minority. Catholicism and the minorities of other Christian thought (Protestants, Mormons) still lead over pre-Columbian faith. When Spain colonized Mexico they didn't white-wash it by killing all the brown people and moving all the white people in as England and France did. They kept the natives. The only white appointments were the viceroys. But in the century or more since Mexico declared independence from Spain they've most likely balanced out its own government. Post-independence Mexico managed to successfully create a pretty concept of common identity as "Mexican" between "Whites" (an honest minority) and everyone else. So no, they got no reason to rebel for native identity when for the last two hundred years they've managed to blur, smoothen, or remove much of it.

@Dinh AaronMk

Hm. Good point.

Firstly, Native Americans in Canada are still way on the minority in terms of Canadian demographics. They couldn't possibly muster the numbers required to fight the "ebil Europeans" occupying their land. Like-wise, Canada experienced a wave of immigration from England during its period of Civil War which facilitated the current status of the nation. So they're still way too much on the minority to be of any issue.

@Dinh AaronMk

...wait, you think they would be fighting on their own? The whole purpose of the North American tribes coming together is to fight together. The American tribes would fight north alongside the Canadian aborigines, and vice versa. Not only that, but I think I should once again reiterate the strength of guerrilla warfare. Strike quickly and efficiently, then dick back into the shadows before your adversaries can react; attack in such a manner as to give off an air of omnipresence; deny the enemy his resources; hide and hold out for as long as necessary, until your foe gives up—even if that takes years. Do these things, and you will have a great chance at victory.

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@Veoline

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Precipice of War - We Write Under The Sign Of The Goat

Still not nearly enough natives.

Um, I think there would definitely be enough. Census data from 1980/81 suggests that there were about 1 million aboriginal Canadians and 6.5 million of the largest Mexican indigenous tribes alone. Taking just those numbers and adding them to the roughly 4 million native Americans in the US (that's accounting both single and multi-racial individuals), that's nearly 12 million people. A sixth of that could fight a war.

And the US and Canada detests each other. And Mexico is aligned to the Third International and ideologically split from the US and Canada. So a union in North America isn't possible, let alone a union of the native tribes.

Understandable, what with the past two wars between Canada and the US. However, those are the governments of each country that hate each other. There are likely large masses of civilians that feel the same way, too, but I doubt the natives of each country do. Why? Because both have suffered in similar ways under their respective governments. They share a common enemy in the oppressive white man, and both share their heritage as the original people of the Americas. The same applies between both of them and the indigenous Mexican tribes. Remember, it isn't the white/Hispanic populace we're talking about here; it's the natives that have been oppressed. While the warring white man may not be so friendly towards the others around him, the natives would be. EDIT: Accidentally put 2 million for aborigines instead of 1 million.

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Ah, I must have missed that. Never mind what I said about Croatia then :S

Precipice of War - We Write Under The Sign Of The Goat

Hm...what about a pan-American movement in the US, Canada, and Mexico, instead of the US alone? That would increase the number of natives fighting for independence tenfold. Not only that, but it would provide some relief on the US for a while as the fighting becomes concentrated in Canada and Mexico (though the war would inevitably reach Cascadian territory and the Western US). As for the Balkans, my mistake. I didn't know Serbia had taken control of those countries. Still, a union of some sort does not seem out of the question. Also, wasn't Croatia annexed by Austria?