Turboshitter

Fate/numerus clausus (A Great Holy Grail War RP in Scotland!)

@TurboshitterTurbo you made a mistake in re-nerfing Mordred she has B+ not A strength.

@vancexentan

Woops. My bad.

Fate/numerus clausus (A Great Holy Grail War RP in Scotland!)

Alright, will add Pedro to the tab in the morning. In the meantime, have some dank memes:

Fate/numerus clausus (A Great Holy Grail War RP in Scotland!)

On that note, probably best to do this publicly. @vancexentan, since some people have expressed concern about it (including you yourself), would you mind if we modified the parameters of Mordfed's fame boost? I have a few ideas for what we could do instead of an all-around stat buff:

• increase her rank in Charisma, or some other relevant skill
• increase one or two of her stats, but not all of them
• increase Clarent to Rank B (which we've already done), and lower her stats to their normal values; then, she can invoke Clarent for a temporary Rank Up in short bursts as per its unlocked effects (the effect would need to be activated and would last only a short while since the fame boost is only partial)

Do any of these sound like an acceptable replacement?

Fate/numerus clausus (A Great Holy Grail War RP in Scotland!)

@TurboshitterSpeaking of Rider have we heard anything from the person who was making rider?

@vancexentan

Nothing yet. I tagged them though, and if they haven't responded by tomorrow afternoon, I'll send a PM. If there's no word by Wednesday, we can tell Asuras the spot is open.

Fate/numerus clausus (A Great Holy Grail War RP in Scotland!)

@Turboshitter@vancexentan

I explained on my previous/most recent (not counting this) post a few things in your requests, such as why skills like Innocent Monster aren't really qualifiable in Lancer's case, and the nature of Lancer's third NP in regards to his own horse. I will also further clarify that the Horse isn't the NP, but that the NP only takes effect on this specific horse. The reason why the horse is important is because this NP isn't supposed to be as reliable as it is if summoned as a Rider.

As for Lancer's first NP, I've clarified that those who fail the Luck check get a pretty hefty Agility rank-down to symbolize them being on their knees; they're slower, but it's the possibility to escape is alot higher. As for the quantification of the Luck Check, stat checks in Fate are pretty ambiguous as a whole, so it's hard to find a number for them. It'd probably entail the luck check equivalent to its Noble Phantasm Rank, which is B.

@Cu Chulainn

Granted, but I feel like there should at least be some justification for it, even if it's just cosmetic. I mean, people in modern times don't actually believe Vlad Tepes was a vampire, and no one I know thinks Elizabeth Bathory was part dragon. Yet they have those skills regardless because at one point in time, whether past or future, that's how they were perceived by a large number of people. If the natives believed he was a god, then he should qualify, regardless of the truth or what people believe about him today (or even what his own people believed about him, as demonstrated with Vlad).

As for his horse, I'll grant that. It's unconventional for a Lancer to have a summoned mount, but it's happened before on rare occasions and without the horse the NP loses a key weakness. The NP itself also can't be modified or removed without gouging out a large part of Pedro's legend.

However, I will insist on Innocent Monster or a low, low rank in Divinity (whichever you feel is more appropriate or justified), as his connection to the sun god needs to be explained and quantified in some fashion rather than just being an informal attribute. Also, I believe his Disengage should be a bit lower, because as it is, he's better at making an escape than our resident Assassin, and that seems wonky.

Fate/numerus clausus (A Great Holy Grail War RP in Scotland!)

@TurboshitterI do honestly believe that the noble phantasm you're asking me about should be reworked to not include the horse and merely make it a mental pollution based noble phantasm that activates on pagan type characters when he is riding on a horse, or anything similar to one. He keeps it and he doesn't cross into rider territory. That's just the solution that immediately comes to mind.

@vancexentan

That'd be for the best, probably. There will be plenty of horses and vehicles to acquire in Scotland (god only knows what this NP will make him look like when he's riding a motorcycle), and his Rank in Riding will go far in making them combat-ready.

Fate/numerus clausus (A Great Holy Grail War RP in Scotland!)

Wow a lot sure can happen in the span of two episodes of GoT...

Okay, so. Given what you've said so far, @Cu Chulainn, I'm willing to allow his Conquistador stat buff so long as it works the way you've described. The Black Faction will have a specific base of operations in this RP, just like us, and so long as the boost only manifests when Pedro is literally storming the castle and inside the walls of the enemy stronghold (or within their Bounded Fields or other perimeter defenses). In that situation he will more than likely be outnumbered and beset on all sides by traps, familiars, and enemy magi on top of all their Servants, so if he's going to march towards either death or defeat, I'm willing to give the mad bastard my blessing for bravery, if nothing else.

However I'd like some quantification on the Luck check for his first NP, and I do think that instead of literally being forced to their knees (unless you were being metaphorical), they should just be encumbered with Rank Down in stats, as is the case for other mental interference skills.

Honestly, I have no issue with his Anti-Army NP, however I do suggest you incorporate Innocent Monster into your sheet as suggested, simply because Pedro needs justification for his association with the Aztec sun god and he doesn't actually have Divinity as you've explained.

As for his horse, normally I'd say he could just ride any old horse into battle with his Rank in Riding, but then that kinda just makes the NP more problematic as he loses the weakness of it disappearing with his horse. Truth be told I'm not quite sure what to do with it. It certainly seems like an NP better suited to a Rider class Servant, but it also ties heavily into the greatest part of Pedro's legend. Any further thoughts on the horse, @vancexentan?

Fate/numerus clausus (A Great Holy Grail War RP in Scotland!)

@TurboshitterTurbo do we have a deadline for when we will make the In Character regardless of CS count?

@vancexentan

If absolutely necessary, we will start next Friday on the 18th. Hopefully everyone will have their CSes done by then, but if not, I doubt we'll get through the prologue so quickly that anyone who's almost finished with their sheets won't be able to jump in for the opening festivities.

Fate/numerus clausus (A Great Holy Grail War RP in Scotland!)

Wow this moves fast! Anyways yeah, sorry for the silence and delay, real life stuff has been hitting me hard. I'll try to see what I can get done, but yeah.

@Cojemo

No problem. Now you understand why I implemented the two-post rule for the IC ^^'

Fate/numerus clausus (A Great Holy Grail War RP in Scotland!)

@Turboshitter
I only have the very bare bones of my other Lancer concept, and it'd take me time to actually put it through into something satisfying that would actually help the team.

I'd much rather prefer True!Benkei mainly because I want to see his dynamic with the other Servants and Masters introduced so far. I'm very much aware, especially from the source it's based off of, that this roleplay is a PvE-centric one, but I'm also sure we're in it to make a story. I'm fine if someone finds a sensible way to escape Benkei's duel NP. I'm fine if the enemy has plot armor against Benkei's Dread Visage. I'm fine with pretty much everything that would make the enemy an actual threat to us. I just wanted to play as a Heroic Spirit, with all the badassery it's supposed to entail, with a character that would interact with the current (and future) cast in an interesting sort of way.

I'm not trying to power play, but it's just that, as you said, we stole artifacts that would belong to pretty strong Servants, and I myself want to play an actual true Heroic Spirit, not some obscurity that just barely manages to be qualified as one.

But if this really is too much of a conflict, I'll just find some other Lancer after all.

@vancexentan

Actually, he was designed in the same mindset as the other Apocrypha Servants, since they intended him to make him for Apocrypha before they made it into a Light Novel.

@Cu Chulainn

*sighs* No. I'll approve Benkei if that's really how you feel. I understand the sentiment completely. I'm still going to be extra-strict with you though. I intend to hold you to what you just said about this being a PvE RP, because I do believe players should have a little more leeway in this situation.