Unoedipal

Fate/Stagnant Apotheosis

@KoL Depending on how often you'll be on, I'm fine with extending the 24 hour limit. That's why I said to let me know about real-life difficulties, after all~

If you don't think you'll be able to post any faster than, say, once a week, then that's probably too much though.

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Since I won't have time to make the actual edits now, I'll just ask about them and change it later, once I'm able to.

- Noted, but could you at least let me have one + modifier, to use under the described circumstances? I don't think it will be so common as to make her OP or anything like that.

- Maybe a small bounded field that forces a foes to fight El Cid one on one with no option of retreat or refusal, and during the duration of the field, El Cid is treated as having A rank STR? Or being able to do one C rank attack that works under the same mechanics of Gae Bolg, which represents his skill as a warrior?

@KoL

That's fine, but keep in mind that the cost of using it will rise as well.

I don't see how you'd get causality reversal from "fought a duel to the death". You can just do something like Ath nGabla instead of making it a Bounded Field, and say that STR is treated as rank-up during the engagement. You could make it a Bounded Field instead, but since we've already got something similar in canon, I don't see any harm in modeling it after that.

Fate/Stagnant Apotheosis

Made the needed adjustments and finished the personality section, so I suppose that means I'm done.

@Moonman

Yes, you're approved.

@Turboshitter, I'm really sorry especially since you obviously really want to play this character, but as it is, Moonman made his final edits before you posted your character, and there are a couple of things I'd need you to change/clarify on your CS before I approved it, so unless you're able to persuade Moonman to change classes, you won't be able to be Rider.

Again, I'm sorry, but it's unfair for me to do anything else. I'll try to help you as best I can with getting a different app together.

@KoL
Didn't notice the modifier on LCK earlier. Please give a justification for it.

On Tizona, change the Type to Anti-Mind. B++ is also definitely too high, as that's just a step away from being equivalent to Divine Spirit Thaumaturgy and, while El Cid was good with psychological warfare, it's not enough to justify something at that sheer scale. A flat B rank should be the maximum.

On La Colada, I'm confused as to why a duel to the death is crystallized as a curse that lowers parameters, since the parameter lowering seems to be something based around the post-fight, whereas the point of a duel to the death is that there is no post-fight. If anything, it seems like it should be something more similar to Ath nGabla.

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@Turboshitter
I-I'd actually recommend you do a different class so Moonman's work doesn't go to waste. ;;

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@KoL
Give the conditions under which the Charisma minus is and is not considered. IE, Mordred can only exhibit her true Charisma during REBELLION.

Just having Circuits and a fire affinity won't give you a flame-affinity Prana Burst. Examples that we have of it are Karna who's whole shtick was "fire", Arjuna whose bow was given to him by Agni, and Bryn who had a sordid love affair with fire all around her on a pretty extensive basis on top of being a Valkyrie. You don't get buffed as a Servant outside of Class Skills, the Servant's just a nerfed copy of the Heroic Spirit, and the Heroic Spirit is you in your prime + historical distortion and legend crystallization. Unless there's some legend of El-Cid doing crazy fire stuff that could be crystallized as a Prana Burst, I'm going to have to say no. If there is something like that though, source it and you might be okay.

For the NPs, please explain how the legend links up with them instead of just giving the effects. An NP is a crystallization of feat, so say what feats and legends are being crystallized in those Noble Phantasms. I'll evaluate the NPs properly once that's done.

Noble Phantasm Parameter

@KoL

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Fate/Stagnant Apotheosis

Sweet. I'd like to claim Rider then. I can probably have something up by tonight.

@Turboshitter

Well, like I said on the last page, things are on a rolling basis so there's not really slot claiming. Moonman's Rider app, while not approved, is nearly done, so you can get the Rider slot but it'll require getting approved before him. KoL's also been working on a Caster, which has not yet been approved.

Fate/Stagnant Apotheosis

Only Lancer currently has an approved app.

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I mean, it's as much about their role in the story as it is about their parameters. It's like why we have False Assassin around, when he only has one gimmick and is otherwise basically garbage as a Servant. But that might just be me.

@Flamelord

If you like the character, sure, but I'm the kind to prefer original Servants, so I don't consider that as much in canon applications.

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Soooo... Diarmuid, basically? xD (at least I'm assuming compared to his Saber incarnation we never got to see because Kayneth's a loser)

And I wasn't gonna app her, I was just hoping someone else would. That being said, I'm having a hard time thinking of anyone to app that hasn't already been done, since Grand Order kinda went a little apeshit with all the different Servants (seriously guys, Mata Hari?)

@Turboshitter

Alrighty. If you need help, let me know. There might be a lot of canons now, but there's no shortage of mythological/historical figures with great compatibility to being Heroic Spirits.

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@Moonman
I'll allow STR to stay as-is, but remove the + from END.

Alright, if they're wraiths then it's fine. If they were Heroic Spirits then we'd have had an issue. You can either keep it as it is, or lower the rank to B. B would be more honest and is what I'd recommend, but I won't force you to downgrade it if you want to keep it as A.

Fate/Stagnant Apotheosis

*shrugs* Then limit to just swinging it then. It already has anti-armor attributes, that's pretty cool. Plus tbh I was never a huge fan of the Excaliblast type of NP. Sure it's cool, but it's also kinda lazy from a storytelling perspective, and I could probably think of a million more creative things you could do with Excalibur as a weapon besides "King Arthur Kamehameha".

But I've already done more arguing than I said I would so I'll respect your decision and hope something equally as good comes along ^^

@Turboshitter

I really don’t understand why somebody would want to app a Servant with parameters that are good but not outstanding, largely irrelevant skills, and a Noble Phantasm that’s functionally sealed in all useful sense. If you’re just after the breasts, there are easier ways.

But yeah, my decision stands. I’m happy to work with others on original Servants and the like, but as far as canons go, I will be strict in enforcing their profiles.

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I don't want to be too pushy in someone else's RP, so I'll make one last argument then stop. I haven't read the Case Files so I'm not too clear on the specifics, but whatever the first seven seals on Ron are they must already be broken/be easy to break by the time of the modern age if Gray, a normal albeit somewhat special human, is able to use it. And if Nasu isn't going to treat the specific conditions required to break the first seven seals as important (otherwise they would've been explained already), then why should we? Clearly the first seven aren't a matter of the utmost importance, so as long as we don't go past that there's no problem, no? ^^

@Turboshitter

You're mixing up swinging Ron around with releasing the True Name. Gray's never released the True Name. And I wouldn't say Nasu's treating the conditions as unimportant, since it's specifically mentioned in Lancer Alter's profile that you need to unlock them before releasing the True Name. There's that condition set up in canon mechanics, so I won't be ignoring it. When you app a canon, you app a canon.