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Nerdy things that I love in order of importance

1. Star Wars, come on who doesn't love it?
2. DC comics, if you couldn't already tell.
3. Game of Thrones, more recent than the other two but still awesome!
4. Mass Effect, best video game franchise OF ALL TIME!!!

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As the gates slid open the expanse of the outside world opened itself up freely for Lionel Luthor for the first time in twenty four years. He stepped out onto the black asphalt leading into the island prison complex of Stryker's Island. Beyond the water he could see the City of Metropolis. For two and a half decades the city seemed so distant and he longed to return as a free man. Now that it was within his reach however, he felt sick. From here he could see the LexCorp building and the Watchtower that stood on top of it. Lionel knew that it had been built in that exact spot for a reason. From anywhere in the prison the giant green letters spelling out LexCorp were visible.

He lowered his head. He knew that his son had never forgiven him for killing his mother. He knew that Lex hated him. Lionel was pulled out of his thoughts by the sound of an approaching car. He looked up to see a single black Sedan approaching him. It stopped ten feet away from him, the back left side door opened.

Out came a beautiful young blonde woman wearing a fluffy red blouse that drew attention to her chest and a short black pencil skirt. She approached him slowly putting one foot directly in front of the other as she walked in her expensive black heels. The old man gulped as he watched her walk, the last woman he had seen in person had been a 300 pound African American security officer.

"Mr. Luthor?" She asked as she reached him extending her hand.

"Uh.. yeah that's me." He shook her hand, it was soft. She smiled at him with full red lips looking at him straight in the face with her ice blue eyes.

"Mercy Graves, I work for your son. I was told to bring you over to the LexCorp building as soon as you were released." She motioned to the car.

"I uh, actually could we go and see Lena first. I think She needs to be apologized to before I go and see Lex." A look of shock appeared on the woman's face as he spoke. Her hand shot up to her mouth and she gasped.

"Mr. Luthor," she paused, "Your daughter died of cancer fifteen years ago." Lionel's heart dropped in his chest, he could almost hear the glass as his world shattered. The sixty-seven year old man felt tears welling up in his eyes.

"Let's... let's go see my son."

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Lex stood in his personal office staring out at the City of Metropolis from his full floor to ceiling window. It was tinted a dark black on the outside but allowed him full view of the surrounding buildings. The LexCorp building towered above every other structure in the city, a monument to his success.

The room was dark, the only light being coming from a set of bulbs turned to dim throughout the ceiling. His red mahogany desk stood in the middle of the tan carpeted floor. Lex held a glass of wine in right hand while his left was stuck in the pocket of his blue slacks. He took a sip as he observed the nighttime lights coming from all the businesses and traffic. The people looked like ants to him. They were ants to him.

Lex heard the door open behind him followed by the muffled sound of Mercy's heels stepping on the carpet. His father was right behind her. The old man walked into the room and Mercy closed the door behind them. She walked to the desk and sat on the corner with her right leg crossed over her left.

"Mercy leave us." Lex said. She stood quickly and turned around. "Please, I need to speak to my father." He said before she could protest. She simply nodded and walked out of the room. He was still facing the window.

"Lex, I..."

"Look out there, my building is the tallest in all of Metropolis." Lex interrupted his father. He took abother sip out of his wine glass and continued his stare into the city. "I built an international business in less time than it took you to finish high school. I have military weapons contracts and the most successful personal smart phone on the market. I'm..."

"Lex you don't have to prove anything to me."

"Don't interrupt me." He took another sip. I'm the wealthiest man in the entire country, my company is one hundred percent privately owned. I've made scientific advances that make the likes of Albert Einstein and Sir Isaac Newton seem insignificant. I created the Justice League, the people love me."

"I know all of this, your woman filled me in on the way here."

"I'm on the brink of ending the world's dependence on fossil fuels. Foreign governments fear my name more than that of this country." Finally Lex turned around and placed his wine glass on his desk. "And I did all of this without you father."

"Lex, I'm sorry." His father began to step towards him. "I know I made mistakes."

"Mistakes!" Lex said with a laugh. "You murdered my mother right in front of me. Right in front of Lena!"

"I've been trying to make amends for that for twenty years Lex. I loved your mother, I didn't mean to do it. It just happened." His father began to cry. "Why didn't you tell me when Lena died?"

"I've only ever cared about two people in my entire life. You took one of them away from me. You didn't deserve to know when the other one died."

"I'm sorry." The old man said again through tears. Lex stood there watching him, the man was broken. For the next three minutes he jsut kept repeating that he was sorry.

"I forgive you." Lex said as he embraced his father.

"You do?" He asked as he held his son. He felt happiness in his stomach again, maybe he really could start over. Even at his old age.

"Yes." Lex released his father. The old man was smiling through his tears. For a moment they looked at each other. Staring in each other's eyes. Lex saw something in his father that he hadn't truly seen since before the death of his sister, joy. He leaned back against his desk and smiled.
*BANG*


Lionel's eyes went wide. He felt cold, he looked down to see blood seeping out of a wound in his stomach. The gun in Lex's hand was still smoking when he fell to the ground. Lex returned the weapon to the holster hidden under his desk. His father choked as his blood began to stain the carpet.

"Oh my god Lex! Mercy yelled as she busted through the door. She screamed when she saw the dead body on the floor. "What did you do?"

"Get someone in here to clean this mess up. I'm getting a call from General Ross." Lex said calmly as he straightened his tie. His stomach was in a knot, he felt empty. He felt... wrong. "And I'll be needing to change the carpet." When she ran out of the room he put his head in his hands and let out a moan. He didn't plan on feeling like this.
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You wanna know the difference? Both Avengers movies made it a point to show the heroes actively saving lives.


Counter argument.
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That would be fine if he was written as the Kansas kid with abilities. He isn't, he's written as Space Jesus. They spend the whole film saying: 'you're gonna do great things, you're the chosen one, you can SAVE THEM ALL'...and he doesn't. Not even remotely. It's a good job Metropolis is a big city, if it was the size of Smallville...oh wait, that got destroyed anyway...


Superman never destroys a building. Every building that is destroyed is because Zod or one of his lackeys threw him through it. Superman saved THE ENTIRE WORLD btw. People get killed in the comics all the time, read Justice League Origin in the new 52 and tell me there weren't casualties. That had the entire league. You mean to tell me nobody died in the Avengers movies? yeah right.
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I can't watch BvS while I'm watching MoS. The way that Man of Steel ended, Superman trading quips with the military and turning up as Clark Kent in the Daily Planet (which is a career path we never saw him even consider in the movie btw), gives us the impression that the events that have occurred have all ended well enough for everyone who matters. Say it was a standalone movie, they'd have just sidestepped an utter calamity the likes of which we've never seen because they want a cutesy finish. I honestly think that if there hadn't been fuss kicked up about it, we wouldn't have a BvS focusing on the events of MoS the way it is.
I don't need to see him mope, I just need to see Clark acknowledge that this wasn't ok and he will do better next time.

This was never a standalone movie. Hell there might have been a time skip after all that. The last thing we see before he breaks that drone is him crying over the dead body of Zod.
Also, just read this next bit :P

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Except they totally could, put Zod in one of his space suits that block out the Earth's atmosphere (because that's what gives Kryptonians powers now...nice spacewalk Clark) and put him in a straitjacket. There, problem solved!

Except those spacesuits sure didn't block their powers when they were blowing up Smallville did they? Nope, they were fully powered in those suits. Unless that straitjacket is made of Kryptonite (which isn't discovered until BvS) you're going to have a hard time holding him.
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That's exactly my problem. Superman's gut reaction, first instinct -- regardless of how inexperienced and out-of-his-depth he is -- should never be to kill.


I didn't say it was his first option nor his gut reaction. It was what he felt he had to do. And think about it, what else was he going to do? The phantom zone projectors were all destroyed. You can't hold Zod in a prison. You can't let him go after a stern talking to and expect him not to return. Christopher Reeves killed Zod depowered in the fortress of solitude with a smile. In that he had plenty of other options yet everyone seems to ignore that.
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The idea of Superman killing doesn't bother me when it's done well but, as I saw it, they didn't have any build up to the act and, this is my problem, it was unnecessary. Clark had Zod in a headlock, there were at least 3 ways I could think of that he could have saved the innocent bystanders without killing anyone.
Equally, the body count wouldn't bother me if they brought it up. You had a scene of Superman and Lois making out in ground zero, after the big fight it just goes to Superman and the military, my problem was that there was no sense that he'd failed.

For the record, sorry about the long post, I just never get to have this conversation with anyone haha.

@Eddie Brock
Do you listen to Fatman on Batman by any chance? :P


Like I said Superman has been on the job for literally one day when all of this goes down. He has Zod in a headlock, yes he could have done something differently. Think about it though, in that moment when everything around him is going to shit he didn't have time to think of another option. The problem with everyone's view of Superman is that he is infallible. When he is written that way is when he is written badly. I LOVE THIS CHARACTER but at the end of the day he is just a kid from Kansas who happens to have incredible powers. That is how he sees himself. This shows that even Superman is prone to mistakes and human nature. Take him out of the equation, what would you have done in that situation? It isn't like he chose to kill Zod on a whim, it shows that it hurt him. He screams because he killed what could be the only other Kryptonian in the universe. It shows that it hurt him.

No sense that he failed? The entire plot of BvS is dealing with the fact that he failed. They were setting this up. Lex casting and Doomsday appearance aside I think they had a good plan of what they are doing. Did you want another thirty minutes of the movie showing him mope around?

BTW this is all said with love. I like having this discussion as well.
I'm personally a fan of Man of Steel. I prefer it to the Christopher Reeves movies and I'm a very big Superman fanboy. Yeah sure Supes wasn't as hopeful and wasn't able to save every single person in Metropolis but that was literally his first fight against a super villain in his entire life. And the criticism over supes killing Zod is a little dumb because Reeves killed him too.
@The Grey Warden I hope you're feeling a little better now, Grey.

@Vandy Damn it. You've worked out my Kryptonite. Zack Snyder-directed superhero movies with a miscast Jesse Eisenberg in them.


Yeah, I'm not too thrilled about it either. I'm willing to give the man a chance but so far I'm not convinced from what I've seen in the trailers.


Don't worry, I got him.


Wow, you really did that? And they say I'm evil...


You cannot hold us forever. Eventually we will escape and you will be forced to KNEEL BEFORE VANDY!!!!!
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