Yog Sothoth said
he is interesting, you have to read the comics. most people judge him without ever reading any of his great stories.

I don't really care to know a guy that has an answer to almost everything in the world that could happen, and his only weakness is a green space rock :I throw in 'magic' too if you want but his pros outweigh the cons too much. I like my heroes with some form of mortality personally.

He died against Doomsday and came back somehow without any explanation.

ruronihs said
I always laugh at the superman vs Goku argument. So small and insignificant in scale... The Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann could probably pwn all other superheroes and villains combined. Unless there is another thing that I'm unaware of that is quite literally bigger than the universe.

not the One Above All and Anti Monitor. the one above all is God and Anti monitor is a multileverse buster so he could pwn him easy. nothing beat comic books, superheroes rule! lol

Sketcher said
He died against Doomsday and came back somehow without any explanation.

you didn't read the return of superman story did you? he wasn't technically killed, he was put into a coma that made it look like he was killed but it did take away his powers for a while.

Yog Sothoth said
you didn't read the return of superman story did you? he wasn't technically killed, he was put into a coma that made it look like he was killed but it did take away his powers for a while.

That's... Convenient for him...

SoleAccord said
I don't really care to know a guy that has an answer to almost everything in the world that could happen, and his only weakness is a green space rock :I throw in 'magic' too if you want but his pros outweigh the cons too much. I like my heroes with some form of mortality personally.

he doesn't always have the answers, the quote in my signature is from an animated movie called Superman vs The Elite, and in that film people question whether or not Superman's method of not killing is the right way and even he at one questions if the world has moved on and he has gotten old. it's a great movie and asks the question of whether or not killing criminals is necessary and should heroes get involved with killing political leaders because of their militaristic actions.

Sketcher said
That's... Convenient for him...

just the same as the Namekian dragon balls being all together when they needed it and the dragon being more powerful. it's fiction, it's all for fun. Superman is my favorite hero along side Flash, Green Lantern and Aquaman

Yog Sothoth said
not the One Above All and Anti Monitor. the one above all is God and Anti monitor is a multileverse buster so he could pwn him easy. nothing beat comic books, superheroes rule! lol

Well, according to this Wikipedia article, One-Above-All, is only a creator god (yes, only), and his power is only hinted at. It does say he is the leader of the living tribunal which is said to have "almost limitless" power, but against Spirial Energy, that kind of weakness won't cut it.

Anti-Monitor at least appears to be on the same scale as Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, but he, too, has a weakness that would render him utterly defeated. this article says, "When his armor is destroyed by Supergirl, his form appears not dissimilar to that of the Monitor, but unstable, and surrounded by a coruscating aura of radiant energy - his life force, leaking out like water from a failing vessel, explaining the need for the armor." Not the best kind of character to fight a drill specialist.

So, it seems like the most powerful beings of both the Marvel and DC universe lose to anime.

Yog Sothoth said
just the same as the Namekian dragon balls being all together when they needed it and the dragon being more powerful.

Except they were gathered together intentionally by Frieza before he realized he needed a password and he wiped out all but three Namekians on the planet, and the dragon being more powerful made sense because that was the original set of dragonballs and the ones on earth are just derived and thus weren't meant to be more powerful.

:I

ruronihs said
Well, according to Wikipedia article, One-Above-All, is only a creator god (yes, ), and his power is only hinted at. It does say he is the leader of the which is said to have "almost limitless" power, but against Spirial Energy, that kind of weakness won't cut it. Anti-Monitor at least appears to be on the same scale as Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, but he, too, has a weakness that would render him utterly defeated. article says, "When his armor is destroyed by Supergirl, his form appears not dissimilar to that of the Monitor, but unstable, and surrounded by a coruscating aura of radiant energy - his life force, leaking out like water from a failing vessel, explaining the need for the armor." Not the best kind of character to fight a drill specialist. So, it seems like the most powerful beings of both the Marvel and DC universe lose to anime.

no way, The one above all is the ruler of the entire omniverse so he can do anything and wish Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann out of existence. seriously One Above All is God and has no weaknesses and is limitless, if Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann can be defeated then he losses otherwise its a stand still for the rest eternity. ether way he can't beat this greedy bastard


no one beats Larfleeze!

SoleAccord said
Except they were gathered together intentionally by Frieza before he realized he needed a password and he wiped out all but three Namekians on the planet, and the dragon being more powerful made sense because that was the original set of dragonballs and the ones on earth are just derived and thus weren't meant to be more powerful.:I

still the fact that they are there just when the Z warriors need them to defeat Buu seems way too convenient to make an excuse.

Yog Sothoth said
still the fact that they are there just when the Z warriors need them to defeat Buu seems way too convenient to make an excuse.

I don't defend Buu saga, so if you're going after DBZ in that period, fair game.

SoleAccord said
I don't defend Buu saga, so if you're going after DBZ in that period, fair game.

are you referring to GT? I am only speaking of DBZ, I like to be fair and just stick to one series when criticizing Dragon Ball.

Yog Sothoth said
are you referring to GT? I am only speaking of DBZ, I like to be fair and just stick to one series when criticizing Dragon Ball.

I said previously that I don't acknowledge GT nor defend it, much like Buu saga. I find both terrible. If you're going to argue about something stupid in Buu saga, you can do it and I won't defend it, but anything else I'll argue.

SoleAccord said
I said previously that I don't acknowledge GT nor defend it, much like Buu saga. I find both terrible. If you're going to argue about something stupid in Buu saga, you can do it and I won't defend it, but anything else I'll argue.

okay, well I actually liked the Buu saga because I thought Majin Buu was interesting and the fusion idea was cool. Gotanks made that saga good for me.

Yog Sothoth said
seriously One Above All is God and has no weaknesses and is limitless, if Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann can be defeated then he losses otherwise its a stand still for the rest eternity.

But you seem to forget the very theme of Gurren Lagann: "Do the impossible... See the invisible... Touch the untouchable... Break the unbreakable..." One Above All may be God, but that just makes him the most fitting kind prey. The Anti-Spiral tried phasing them out of reality, but Gurren Lagann literally broke the laws of the omniverse and came back on sheer willpower. Gurren Lagann embodies the idea of surpassing the limits imposed on us by apparent reality. One-Above-All seems content with omnipotence, so he has nowhere to go, and thus he would lose. He may be God, but Gurren Lagann is a God killer.

S-so how about that Naruto series? I hear it's p-pretty good- HAHAHAHAHA.

Oh, are you guys expecting me to control Shukaku? I have plans for the one-tails, but you can do as you want with it, just don't 'kill' it.

Sketcher said
GT isn't Toriyama's storyline, so it's not canon.Zetsuen no Tempest - Luv itBreak Blade - Pretty good

Gankutsuou: The Count of Monte Cristo (it's spelled like that, that isn't a typo).
Monster

Also, break blade is fucking awesome. I read the manga :)

Accel World was good, among a few others i can't remember atm.

Piercing Light said
S-so how about that Naruto series? I hear it's p-pretty good- HAHAHAHAHA.Oh, are you guys expecting me to control Shukaku? I have plans for the one-tails, but you can do as you want with it, just don't 'kill' it.

Oh? Neat, sounds like a plan.

Piercing Light said
S-so how about that Naruto series? I hear it's p-pretty good- HAHAHAHAHA.Oh, are you guys expecting me to control Shukaku? I have plans for the one-tails, but you can do as you want with it, just don't 'kill' it.

Yeah. I was waiting for you to post as Shukaku, actually. x]

ruronihs said
Well, according to Wikipedia article, One-Above-All, is only a creator god (yes, ), and his power is only hinted at. It does say he is the leader of the which is said to have "almost limitless" power, but against Spirial Energy, that kind of weakness won't cut it. Anti-Monitor at least appears to be on the same scale as Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, but he, too, has a weakness that would render him utterly defeated. article says, "When his armor is destroyed by Supergirl, his form appears not dissimilar to that of the Monitor, but unstable, and surrounded by a coruscating aura of radiant energy - his life force, leaking out like water from a failing vessel, explaining the need for the armor." Not the best kind of character to fight a drill specialist. So, it seems like the most powerful beings of both the Marvel and DC universe lose to anime.

The One Above All is literal god. Not just creator. He controls every aspect of the omniverse of Marvel. He is not just hinted at. He's made appearances before.

Appears to be on the same scale? Anti-Monitor is on a whole nother level. When supergirl broke his armor, he still was nigh-omnipotent and took way more to actually stop him. The Armor holds him together but does not negate his powers even when he is outside of it. Anti-Monitor is not the most powerful either. That would be The Presence.

Anime has characters that can fight but not a lot of them. Marvel/DC characters thoroughly out-weight the number of powerhouses in anime. Besides only Omnipotents can fight omnipotents which would end in an endless cycle of nothing. The Presence, Old Man Simon, One Above All, Kami Tenchi, are all limitless and never-ending.

Learn the meaning of Omnipotence before spouting at the mouth.

SoleAccord said
Superman can one-shot people fifty thousand times much more interesting than himself, this is not very new to me :3

Cute.

ruronihs said
But you seem to forget the very theme of Gurren Lagann: "Do the impossible... See the invisible... Touch the untouchable... Break the unbreakable..." One Above All may be God, but that just makes him the most fitting kind prey. The Anti-Spiral tried phasing them out of reality, but Gurren Lagann literally broke the laws of the omniverse and came back on sheer willpower. Gurren Lagann embodies the idea of surpassing the limits imposed on us by apparent reality. One-Above-All seems content with omnipotence, so he has nowhere to go, and thus he would lose. He may be God, but Gurren Lagann is a God killer.

Ummm no. Gurren Lagann is not killing an Omnipotent being. Do you know what Omnipotence is? The Anti-Spiral were Nigh-Omnipotent. Ominpotence is full and complete power over everything. There is no limit to the things he can do. The only time anyone in Gurren Lagann becomes omnipotent is at the very end when Simon is old. Before then, Gurren Lagann won't be able to do much to someone that can do everything. Gurren Lagann has limits which was shown when Lord Gnome had to sacrifice himself so they could have an opening against the Anti-Spiral.

Feats > Theme

The One Above All has wiped away beings who have done and proved way more then Gurren Lagann has.

SoleAccord said
I don't really care to know a guy that has an answer to almost everything in the world that could happen, and his only weakness is a green space rock :I throw in 'magic' too if you want but his pros outweigh the cons too much. I like my heroes with some form of mortality personally.

Answer to almost anything that happens? What? You must mean boring ass Batman who has a plan for everything. Utterly tells me you don't actually know anything about Clark to actually speak on his cons or his character besides the usual " He's OP." Thor, Spectre, Flash, GL, Silver Surfer, and I can keep going on heroes who are way more powerful then Clark could ever be and yet have interesting stories. Same with Clark.

Sketcher said
Not to mention that Batman actually beat Superman. With a little help, but still.

Kid don't start with some non-canon mess that I could break down with ease. Lets go to Superman: Fragmentation. Beat Bruce in six seconds. How about Hush where Bruce explains how and why Clark would break in two and he can only hold him for so long while Clark is mind controlled AND holding back.

SoleAccord said
Superman is boring compared to Batman.There, I said it. -drops mic-

Batman is boring to Superman and just about any other hero that exists.

ruronihs said
I always laugh at the superman vs Goku argument. So small and insignificant in scale... The Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann could probably pwn all other superheroes and villains combined. Unless there is another thing that I'm unaware of that is quite literally bigger than the universe.

HAHAHAHAHA That's adorable.

Bigger then a universe =/= More powerful