Darcs said

AtomicItalian said
Maybe that was the point. The tunnelers represented a nihilistic worldview, one in which every action you take ultimately doesn't matter as, eventually, all will die, and all change wrought will be forgotten. Maybe the game challenges your ideology, asking if in the face of insurmountable odds, you would still attempt to affect change on your surroundings, or if you'd just give up.

AtomicItalian said
Maybe that was the point. The tunnelers represented a nihilistic worldview, one in which every action you take ultimately doesn't matter as, eventually, all will die, and all change wrought will be forgotten. Maybe the game challenges your ideology, asking if in the face of insurmountable odds, you would still attempt to affect change on your surroundings, or if you'd just give up.

Dinh AaronMk said
Morality in FO3 is wonky. Period.Drugging a guy to convince him he's in love with a woman he isn't in love with and to abandon priesthood is considered a "good" choice.

TheEvanCat said
Or you find out ways to outcrazy the opponent because you don't accept defeat.If I the game (well, game engine) had the capabilities for me to get a nuke in there and blast their shit in, I'd probably do that.

TheUnknowable said
That didn't make sense to me.Mini-nukes? Console command in 100 Security guards?

AtomicItalian said
Maybe that was the point. The tunnelers represented a nihilistic worldview, one in which every action you take ultimately doesn't matter as, eventually, all will die, and all change wrought will be forgotten. Maybe the game challenges your ideology, asking if in the face of insurmountable odds, you would still attempt to affect change on your surroundings, or if you'd just give up.

Dinh AaronMk said
I think he's talking about it being a part of the vanilla game. Since console commands or mods wouldn't make the Tunneler's destruction canon. Though then again: it doesn't necessarily strike the possibility from canon. We just need another Fallout game in the area - or close enough - to confirm it. Engine capabilities could just as well choke the choices that one can make.Like how there's no real significant weather in the base game. Either because they couldn't fit it in the engine without severe knock-backs against the consoles, or they didn't have time. You got to mod weather in.

TheEvanCat said
It's really just a matter of having the game see nuke models as landscape objects or something. Engine won't met you interact with those by like, dragging that shit across the world map. Think of them in the swim vein as buildings. Can't pick them up with your drag key like ammo and bodies. Just how it's coded into the engine. Devving for Arma made me cynical about games...

Dinh AaronMk said
If you're someone like Bethesda you got to be lazy in areas in order to save for time in testing a feature over and over.Some studios I guess don't have the luxury of Valve Time and to be loved regardless of delaying everything.

Darcs said
Whoa.That was really insightful, Atomic.

Dinh AaronMk said
Also why aren't you on Steam fggt.Newest Sweet Gin chapter is also cranking out to be ten pages so far and I haven't even gotten to the action.

TheEvanCat said
Because I'm playing Minecraft and talking to girls. Suck on my dick.

Dinh AaronMk said
That's heresy and you know it.