Wonder Woman is awesome. Black Canary is awesome. The two are not mutually exclusive.

That said if you want fan service, two words. Power. Girl.

Heat said
You mean the bat bulge?

Yeah, also all that stuff in.. I think Batman and Robin live action movie with Arnold being Dr. Freeze... Seriously? a bat credit card plus bat.... well I can't say. that was just... what? esp the credit card.

Batman and Robin? I'm going to be honest, I actually liked that movie. Always wanted a Bat Credit Card too <_<...

Krein said
Batman and Robin? I'm going to be honest, I actually liked that movie. Always wanted a Bat Credit Card too <_<...

It's a pretty decent comedy.

If you watch it as a Batman movie then it's terrible. Very, very terrible.

Archmage MC said
Fair enough on the kyrpton things, that makes sense now, but that was also probably a retcon because the writers saw the same thing I did and had to fix that up. :PWW is not a good female role model, thats just something DC shoves down your throat to try to get the feminists off their backs (Black Canary is a better one imo, usually anyway...). True female role models are pretty much every character in My Little Pony, Friendship is Magic. Shes an OK one, but not the best, not by a long shot, Especially if Miller writes her, but then miller is sorta eeeeh anyway so that doesn't count against her. And of course while she has gone against 'gods', Superman could just as easily fight them and beat them far quicker than she can while taking less damage and having far more varied ways of taking them out. If she could say, punch ghosts, while superman couldn't, that would be different, but as far as I'm aware, thats not the case and why WW is an inferior superman, same powers, but less of them and with her same powers being worse in all regards than supermans, except DCAU where she was equally as strong.Dunno what they changed in new 52, I sorta got bored with DC comics around the release of DCAU's Justice League and I've been sticking more with Marvel after that since they had deadpool.

Marvel hasn't really done anything very interesting since the 90s, DC has been great since the death of superman story line. DC knows how to do crossover story lines, Marvel is totally cluttered and confusing. Not to mention I hate what Marvel has done to the x-men and have gone overboard with the avengers being in almost everyone of their titles. DC has the better stories and don't constantly turn out one crossover after another, DC actually builds up to it and has an aftermath. Seriously read Kingdom Come by Mark Waid and you'll see that DC destroys marvel in story lines. Marvel has some good single hero titles but their team comic have been sub par for a long time.

also Wonder Woman's creator literally said that he created her because he believed that there should a superhero role model for girls.

Heat said
It's a pretty decent comedy.If you watch it as a Batman movie then it's terrible. Very, very terrible.

This, so much this.

Yog Sothoth said
Marvel hasn't really done anything very interesting since the 90s, DC has been great since the death of superman story line. DC knows how to do crossover story lines, Marvel is totally cluttered and confusing. Not to mention I hate what Marvel has done to the x-men and have gone overboard with the avengers being in almost everyone of their titles. DC has the better stories and don't constantly turn out one crossover after another, DC actually builds up to it and has an aftermath. Seriously read Kingdom Come by Mark Waid and you'll see that DC destroys marvel in story lines. Marvel has some good single hero titles but their team comic have been sub par for a long time.

Marvel has done pretty well since Disney bought them out. Though while mostly in the film department, the only films that DC makes are Batman ones, while marvel has a much bigger cast to work with. To be fair, if DC didn't have batman, they'd be in much worse shape, as people don't care about superman as much as Batman on a global scale, and most people don't know or care about other heroes not featured in Justice League, DCAU was how a lot of people got into DC stuff.

also Wonder Woman's creator literally said that he created her because he believed that there should a superhero role model for girls.

And he failed, simple as that. He wrote a female character, not a person, and thats why he failed. Write a character, and when your done, change all the hims to hers, hes to shes, and basically gender swap them, and you'll have a much stronger female character than most people saying "I'm making a strong female character". Bonus points if at the end of that gender swap you add some feminine traits, and thus have a true strong female character. Also we'd have far more female characters in stuff if the producers got it out of their head that only male 'strong' characters sell. Korra, Kim Possible, or MLP anyone? (and MLP makes more money than most other franchises nowadays.) Give it about 20 years when those old farts are out of the business and watch the equal rights boom. But thats enough of that, back to talking about the Bat credit card.

To be fair nobody really cared about the Avengers until Marvel made their movies. Same for the Guardians of the Galaxy.

Warner Bros has to get its head out of its ass and start taking risks, along with not aping Marvel's style, and people will start to appreciate the DC properties.

Ok boys and girls, we got the first IC post. I mostly introduced some NPCs and areas you can visit in the Hall as well as setting up the rollercoaster ride of a plot. We'll have a day or so of character interaction and activity before we get the ball rolling on the action. Some of the PCs have specially written intros while the rest can jump in whatever area you feel like being in.

MrDidact said
To be fair nobody really cared about the Avengers until Marvel made their movies. Same for the Guardians of the Galaxy.Warner Bros has to get its head out of its ass and start taking risks, along with not aping Marvel's style, and people will start to appreciate the DC properties.

This, being bought by Disney was the best thing to happen to Marvel once Disney figured out what to do with them. If DC lost batman right now, they'd pretty much up and die, while marvel could lose Spiderman, hulk, or wolverine and be ok. What really helps marvel is being a part of a well known fighting franchise, Marvel vs Capcom, Disney's movies, and just more general exposure.

Also, want me to do a 'show up' or introduction IC post?

EDIT: lol, I just read the IC, xD. I <3 you.

I actually gave Light and MC a nice segue in the IC. Unless you want me to edit.

EDIT: Welcome, me too <3

And one of Warner Bros biggest problems is that they always think when a movie fails its fault of the property and not their own.

Also observe the racially diverse and gender inclusive cast of characters :P

Archmage MC said He wrote a female character, not a person, and thats why he failed. Write a character, and when your done, change all the hims to hers, hes to shes, and basically gender swap them, and you'll have a much stronger female character than most people saying "I'm making a strong female character". Bonus points if at the end of that gender swap you add some feminine traits, and thus have a true strong female character.

So what you're saying is that the character should take on inherently male traits before they can be shaped into a strong female? Seems awfully conflicting with what you're trying to preach. In any case, your method ends up with the same product as, "Making a strong female character," from the get-go, just that it completes certain tasks before others. You make a gender-neutral persona first with characteristics, then make them female. Or you decide you want a female, then give them neutral characteristics. It's the same thing.

I am interested in joining.

MrDidact said
To be fair nobody really cared about the Avengers until Marvel made their movies. Same for the Guardians of the Galaxy.Warner Bros has to get its head out of its ass and start taking risks, along with not aping Marvel's style, and people will start to appreciate the DC properties.

DC is doing Batman V Superman and they have announced nine other movies one of which is coming the exact same year as BVS, many speculate it is the Justice League movie since it has been claimed that they are filming both films back to back.

I just write a character and see what happens :P

Oh cool, like always there's unlimited room. Any idea what kinda character/s you would like to play?

Yog, I really really really hope the Batman v Superman does well along with Justice League. Also still hoping for Jason Mamoa and Dwayne Johnson to play Aquaman and Shazam haha.

Can I have Delly be near the slaughterhouse? If not, I assume it's okay to do a smidge of retconning and have her be a member of the League (maybe a fresh initiate) chilling in the common area.

Archmage MC said
This, so much this. Marvel has done pretty well since Disney bought them out. Though while mostly in the film department, the only films that DC makes are Batman ones, while marvel has a much bigger cast to work with. To be fair, if DC didn't have batman, they'd be in much worse shape, as people don't care about superman as much as Batman on a global scale, and most people don't know or care about other heroes not featured in Justice League, DCAU was how a lot of people got into DC stuff.And he failed, simple as that. He wrote a female character, not a person, and thats why he failed. Write a character, and when your done, change all the hims to hers, hes to shes, and basically gender swap them, and you'll have a much stronger female character than most people saying "I'm making a strong female character". Bonus points if at the end of that gender swap you add some feminine traits, and thus have a true strong female character. Also we'd have far more female characters in stuff if the producers got it out of their head that only male 'strong' characters sell. Korra, Kim Possible, or MLP anyone? (and MLP makes more money than most other franchises nowadays.) Give it about 20 years when those old farts are out of the business and watch the equal rights boom. But thats enough of that, back to talking about the Bat credit card.

What you say applies to movies, not comic books, DC is dominating in every other medium besides movies.

I still don't understand your problem with Wonder Woman, she is completely different from Superman in terms of story and origin. Superman is an alien, Wonder Woman is a being given life by the Greek gods and is an amazon who are from Greek mythology. I don't know how you are saying she's a rip off, powers mean nothing, it is about origin and characteristics. Wonder Woman is very poular among girls and women, my girlfriend's mom loves her character and not too long ago I say a girl go crazy over her comics and merchandise. So I think it is ignorant to deny that Wonder Woman is probably one of the most influential female characters in fiction.

I have some ideas floating around, though I'll have to sleep on them. One idea is more 'passable' in terms of power-levels, but the one that isn't entices me more due to the conditions I wanted to attach to her.

so where would be a good place to start?

I'm up for Delly running into somebody's characters, provided they're willing to deal with a touch of snarkiness/unrestrained teenage assholery.

Abysse, Ah well almost any idea can float here, so take your time there's no rush. We do need more ranged or more mobile characters however. And we're trying to represent the ladies and minorities more as well.

HWWB, The slaughterhouse is where some shit is going to go down that drives off the plot. If Delly is there, she couldn't really interfere without... bad stuff happening to her. She could certainly watch and maybe report what she sees to the League. But I think she would fit more as a new initiate in the common room yeah.

If you want to hang out, Common Room. If you want to fight or get active, Training Center. Want new gear, the Lab. And if you got some deep personal issues you can see Thomas for a hankie :P Magical advice too.

Abysse said
So what you're saying is that the character should take on inherently male traits before they can be shaped into a strong female? Seems awfully conflicting with what you're trying to preach. In any case, your method ends up with the same product as, "Making a strong female character," from the get-go, just that it completes certain tasks before others. You make a gender-neutral persona first with characteristics, then make them female. you decide you want a female, then give them neutral characteristics. It's the same thing.I am interested in joining.

Eh, my explanation is more or less an easier way of explaining it to a newbi over your way, which your way is more accurate. Hope you have a fun time, this looks fun! And yeah, what Mr. D said, your free to imagine up whatever, if its too OP, he'll work with you to fix that.