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Ha, I recalculated the population density for an area the size of India, taking into account the mostly rocky environment, with ash storms, and got an even higher count XD. Still I think I'll leave the population level as it is atm, hoping to finish much more of the sheet today. Your not even between those two realms Interesting how so much attention is on my nation, I have a feeling they might end up as the Fire Nation. XDAdjutor Insula btw has around 350,000 people yet can some how support 20,000 in their military? o.o


It's an efficient society where everyone is given their place in it, and the 20,000 warriors are a home-based force bred for defence and security purposes. The soldiers are not paid, they are only supplied with weaponry and food. Not a tall order, in my books. The "army" I use on foreign soil is much different in nature, shaped to assist disasters and international emergencies, as per the nature of my nation's foreign policy. It's size varies depending on the mission involved, and the material required to fund it.

Bottom line though, I'm not trying to win a game. I'm just trying to help write a story.

If you're trying to win a game, Khan, then drop the idea quickly. An NRP is an RP all the same, a narrative driven media. I can suggest Medieval Total War 2 to you, if you want that kind of fun. That goes to anyone else who wants to fixate on troop numbers.

EDIT: Sorry for that little outburst at the end there, those were hasty words. Just, you know, how many NRPs you guys been in where someone "wins"? Because I've not been in a single one. Either some kid with 3 million soldiers upsets another kid with 2 million soldiers, and the whole thing crashes, or people leave the moment they've been told their army lost a battle. I'd rather we just be rational, creative, selfless and level headed when it comes to that part of the RP.
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Well as the overall rule I take to consideration is that a medieval lord can raise an army of 10% of their population (~10% of which would be devoted to offensive operations). Ten percent of 350,000 would be 35,000. So they're not at that limit before they experience long-term economic deficits.And if they're a sort of holy order with land, then many of those recruits could also be foreign proselytes who came to them for whatever reason: adhering to their faith, needing to start again, whichever. So they could not actually be "natives". Most of these could also pull double-duty, being an island have a trade fleet would be vital to their economy, so some soldiers could pull double-duty as an armed merchant marine: active in the order's mission but keeping the cogs of economy moving and pushing out their exports.


General rule of thumb in a pre-industrial age is 0.5% of the general population, 10% is impressive even in a modern society. There are many, many different estimates about the sizes of the army and the population in the Roman Empire; one of the most commonly quoted interpretations place them at 350,000 combatants among a population of 50 million by the end of Augustus's reign, or in other words the fighting components of the army made up about 0.7% of the population at a time when the core of the Roman empire was at peace while the frontiers (particularly Germany, Syria, Mesopotamia, and Numidia) were in a state of near-constant warfare.

That's just a basic estimate from a highly militant and organized state.

In any case I don't really care too much this being a fantasy setting and all, but that number did make me do a double take. (and I got the estimates closer to 6% rather then 10)
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It's an efficient society where everyone is given their place in it, and the 20,000 warriors are a home-based force bred for defence and security purposes. The soldiers are not paid, they are only supplied with weaponry and food. Not a tall order, in my books. The "army" I use on foreign soil is much different in nature, shaped to assist disasters and international emergencies, as per the nature of my nation's foreign policy. It's size varies depending on the mission involved, and the material required to fund it.Bottom line though, I'm not trying to win a game. I'm just trying to help write a story. EDIT: Sorry for that little outburst at the end there, those were hasty words. Just, you know, how many NRPs you guys been in where someone "wins"? Because I've not been in a single one. Either some kid with 3 million soldiers upsets another kid with 2 million soldiers, and the whole thing crashes, or people leave the moment they've been told their army lost a battle. I'd rather we just be rational, creative, selfless and level headed when it comes to that part of the RP.


I'm truthfully rather insulted, and I wont even other responding to this incricble/massive leap of opinion.

Having had to live through the Ender Wiggin reign of terror, I'm rather tired of it all TBH.

We all know this wont make it nearly far enough anywhere to reach a state of a conflict. So you can have your people riding daises for all I care.
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I'm truthfully rather insulted, and I wont even other responding to this incricble/massive leap of opinion. Having had to live through the Ender Wiggin reign of terror, I'm rather tired of it all TBH. We all know this wont make it nearly far enough anywhere to reach a state of a conflict. So you can have your people riding daises for all I care.


And I'm sorry for making you feel that way.

If me leaving will restore your faith in this RP's chances of success, then just say the word and I'm gone. It's only fair.

On a side note though, what do you mean by the whole Ender Wiggin thing?
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General rule of thumb in a pre-industrial age is 0.5% of the general population, 10% is impressive even in a modern society. There are many, many different estimates about the sizes of the army and the population in the Roman Empire; one of the most commonly quoted interpretations place them at 350,000 combatants among a population of 50 million by the end of Augustus's reign, or in other words the fighting components of the army made up about 0.7% of the population at a time when the core of the Roman empire was at peace while the frontiers (particularly Germany, Syria, Mesopotamia, and Numidia) were in a state of near-constant warfare. That's just a basic estimate from a highly militant and organized state.In any case I don't really care too much this being a fantasy setting and all, but that number did make me do a double take. (and I got the estimates closer to 6% rather then 10)


Not necessarily. There's no single average or even a consistent rule across the ancient and medieval societies. Especially if Rome enters the equation.

Rome isn't a good comparison to make when discussing feudal societies or nations built on the premise of Holy Orders where their soul purpose is militant in some fashion. In the case of Rome, they were similar to Greece in the way they built their armies. It was more common for the Roman aristocracy to field predominately nobles and aristocrats into their armies. There weren't very many commoners or peasants in their armies, and if there were those filled levee rolls and probably weren't counted, since they're plebians and not master-race Latin land-owners.

The Romans - fielding their nobility - in essence could only have a smaller army than usual. On top of this, Rome rewarded their men for partaking in campaigns with personal land for them. And their smaller army meant they got arm and equip them better than the Germans and the Gauls.

The Germans and the Gauls on the other hand were considerably less centralized than the Romans and more tribal. They weren't as rich as the Romans, but their society's structure meant that they often employed more people in an army on a whim since men were the designated fighters. Women and children were the farmers at home and rarely - if ever - went to the field. There was no distinction in class in sending them out to fight, so long as they had something to kill with.

Europe in the Middle Ages kept up the same pattern, though a lot more hap-hazard. Knights would have been the "standing" force of medieval armies and continued the practice of the nobility being in the field. However they were not the biggest or even the most populous fraction of their army. Peasant levees were greatly employed across Europe for brief campaigns: more often during winter when there was no work to do otherwise. There was minimal cost associated with them as well, since they were often pulled from their homes and ordered to kill with whatever they had, or were minimally armed and trained with the basic essentials (perhaps some minor drills that last a couple days, then they force a spear in your hand and send you off to be the front-line between the nobles and the enemy).

When the conflict was over or the farming season began these men would return home to their normal duties with minimal or no reward. If they wanted to come off richer than their best bet was to simply loot.

In the far-east the pattern was very different, and it was very early on the Chinese learned to deploy and construct massive armies. The Warring States period marks a period in Chinese development where the Chinese people began to field truly excessive armies. This in turn lead to reforms in the administration at home and marked a shift from Feudalism into later or intermediary stage feudalism between the Old Nobles and strong centralized bureaucrats. Large-scale infrastructural construction at home helped to ease the burden of the logistical effort, such as the construction of the Zhengguo Canal in the State of Qin. The reforms to infrastructure, government, mathematics, and shifting military doctrine brought rise to each of the Warring States to command and deploy immense armies of up to a million.

Between them the Nomadic Turkic peoples may have looser demands on who goes to war since every man irregardless of role or condition was seen fit for war and the entire tribe could be mobilized in defensive or offensive maneuvers, hence "hordes". Their life-style already depended on moving around and hunting so every son was trained to ride and use a bow in the same way many boys were trained to use a bow in medieval Europe. But the Turkic Cumans needed to hunt and they more often used their skills to get their daily bread, instead of chasing of the occasional wolf.

Constant restraints in military size comes with a more complex society that requires more people performing more specialized jobs. During the Industrial era this meant more people filled in factory jobs as opposed to becoming some 13th century duke's army. Inversely, as we move ahead there may not be so much of a need to human abilities in working as factories become more robotic and low-input high-output computing becomes the norm in not only manufacturing but other fields of work, and it might be argued society then might come around again to an era where we can economically field large levee armies again.

And arms grow more often in war time than they do peace-time. So though the USSR and the US kept large armies, it wasn't a full-blown hot war which would have accelerated the demand to recruit more soldiers and expand the national armies to the 10% point and to effect the working demographic at home (more women might take the place of men if they all go to war, as they might on Lancer's island).

Their are other factors as well, such as a cheap source of food to feed larger populations of men; which might be dependent on one's power in trade or the fertility of the island which correlates to the habitability of the land. Political factors might be included as well, such as in the case of Rome where the Proconsuls could carry out campaigns independent of Rome itself, further skewing where the army might be concentrated. Or even how the sizes might be reported in the long-term. After all: who really cares about peasants?

On the peasant note again, the Grand Prince of Moscow Dmitry Donskoy employed and used an army ranging from 70,000-120,000 men against the Tatars, most of which were probably the peasantry.
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Is this map a world map or a region map?
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Is this map a world map or a region map?


I think regional... Maybe?
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There appears to be distinct arctic and antarctic continents, which to me suggests that the map was intended to be a world map.
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There appears to be distinct arctic and antarctic continents, which to me suggests that the map was intended to be a world map.


There's still an option though that there's something more beyond the edges. A map of the Earth isn't necessarily exactly square. But it could also be all ocean for all we know.
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There's still an option though that there's something more beyond the edges. A map of the Earth isn't necessarily exactly square. But it could also be all ocean for all we know.


It's hip to be square.
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Um, I don't think Khan's nation is complete or that it's been accepted yet; should Lancer really be making a post that involves directly contacting them? I mean, I have no doubt that the nation will be accepted once completed but should they be involved in the RP prior to being accepted?
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Um, I don't think Khan's nation is complete or that it's been accepted yet; should Lancer really be making a post that involves directly contacting them? I mean, I have no doubt that the nation will be accepted once completed but should they be involved in the RP prior to being accepted?


I'm not complaining, since I didn't have any real objections that I might use to deny someone when I first went over it. Apart from the relative size claimed. So unless something dramatically changes in the unfinished portions that would make me reconsidered Khan, he's just about assured.

Should Khan not want to continue or keeps a WIP sheet then I suppose they could be NPC with the information provided on them so far as being factual. If there needs to be an excuse to interact I'd rather see it so we don't choke ourselves on struggling to find excuses to post. It should of course not go too far and assume any direct control of them or interfere with any planned lore.
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EDIT - just gonna remove this repeated shit since I edited the first post which was intended. To make up for lack of content:

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Thanks for the tip SovereignGrave. I got the map up now.

I believe I am done with my NS; am I accepted?
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Completed my massive nation sheet as well. Cannot wait to hear the result! *fidgets like a japanese school girl*
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I thought we weren't going to have magic?
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I thought magic was allowed, only if not over-powered.
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I'll leave the final work to Feigling when he comes back from Spain. But to keep things simple I'mma say no.

Will review sheets.
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Reviewing the two apps I can't help but feel that some folk seem to be under the impression equipment like siege towers are something you keep standing around like you might a modern-day tank and that most equipment is most likely to be assembled at the field when it's needed as opposed to being kept around somewhere, like battering rams. More often stuff like siege towers at the least are built when they're needed, at the siege where they're needed, and most likely rams too. Seeing them included in the official dossier of Frontliner's army sort of annoyed me.

That aside, I didn't really notice anything that felt off about Frontliner's.

As per TwistedSun, what got me more was more the critic in me than anything else. Chivalry is not synonymous with "cavalry", and it's spelled "agriculture". That aside, I'm feeling wary on the almost mary-sue tier, physically perfect race of angel-people (furry wings too? Those better just be vestigial). And apart from the magic, which I brought up in my last post: I feel it's best to let OP have the final say. So we could fly be the assumption that it doesn't exist for now and leave it in the app, but never invoke it in IC until Feigling comes back from Spain, or you could wait for Feigling to come back to review your application himself and give the final say.

Also that damn Assassin's Creed flag.
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As per TwistedSun, what got me more was more the critic in me than anything else. Chivalry is not synonymous with "cavalry", and it's spelled "agriculture". That aside, I'm feeling wary on the almost mary-sue tier, physically perfect race of angel-people (furry wings too? Those better just be vestigial). And apart from the magic, which I brought up in my last post: I feel it's best to let OP have the final say. So we could fly be the assumption that it doesn't exist for now and leave it in the app, but never invoke it in IC until Feigling comes back from Spain, or you could wait for Feigling to come back to review your application himself and give the final say.Also that damn Assassin's Creed flag.


Leaving aside errors, which can occur even to any native english speaker (or writer), would you try to specify? What do you exactly intend for 'Mary Sue'? Where did i mention physical perfection? I'd like more constructive criticism, if possible.
About the wings: If i understood correctly what you meant, haven't I in fact said that those are remnants made of fur, of the original feathered ones?
About magic: is there a specific reason why it is so vehemently denied?
About the flag: It's the best looking and fitting i found on the web >.>
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