thats a good point. I'll make something else. Would it be ok for my character to have the wabbajak? or a wabbajak like staff?

Well i suppose i could do what TiredNihilist suggested, or like I said you could cause some incident, crippiling Keldirs magical might. Im fine with either.

Can I just pop my old character from the original one?

Phoenixeyes: Cheese people cheese XD CS still looks good though

I have no problem with him being a talented Mage but one of the most powerful is much and just having me cripple him so he isn't OP just seems a bit out there

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Vortex, isn't that kind of Rosette's character in practice? I mean, I guess overlap is bound to happen, but Rosette's character seemed kind of like a specific niche, if you feel me at all.

Well look either its that or Keldir is OP. Anyway Rossete said she had a libary, she never said she was good in theory, or perhaps I missed that bit.

Anyway Keldir is still skilled in practical magic unlike Rossete's puny character :P

You're just jealous you didn't think of having your OCs underwear enchanted.

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Phoenixeyes: Cheese people cheese XD CS still looks good though

Understandable, but here's my big thing. I'll still do it if you really want, but this is what I've noticed with my characters. I make a better background in game, when I have to tell someone. That and I don't like making big characters I tend to fade into the background but I play a character who isn't meant to be special, he's just there and keeps pace with everyone. I can hold my own, but I aint special.

Well mainly they're all holed up in Cracked Tusk Keep in Falkreath, they don't often leave that one hold, and never in very large numbers. But when Brannus ventures out himself beyond the walls, he'll generally take one or two men with him, one never can be too careful out in the wilds.

Well look either its that or Keldir is OP. Anyway Rossete said she had a libary, she never said she was good in theory, or perhaps I missed that bit.

I think I'm involved with this as it's about my character, so I'll try to clear up some of the stuff about her. She's indeed a Scholar type character(Hence her occupation) and she is themed toward being better at meta physics/theory of magic rather than the practice(as she is still learning how to master spell casting) at least in non prepared settings.

Anyway Keldir is still skilled in practical magic unlike Rossete's puny character :P

You're just jealous you didn't think of having your OCs underwear enchanted.

...read rule five in the first post and you will know what I mean