Give folks some time to post. I might give two or three days between each of my own posts depending on how things are going.

If you want, Alice could have spotted Hez putting up the closed sign and have her ask what's going on.

Ugh, short post because I'm a lazy bum and don't have much to go off of.

Zaresto said
Ugh, short post because I'm a lazy bum and don't have much to go off of.

Can you not use first person for me? it makes it hard to remember who is who and search for individual posts also its a little narcissistic.

eddieddi said
Can you not use first person for me? it makes it hard to remember who is who and search for individual posts also its a little narcissistic.

I don't see how it's narcissistic if it's his/her preferred style of writing. Though, it does make it harder to know who's who.

EDIT: Zaresto also put the character name at the top of the post. I don't see how it's a problem :/

Admiral Bangle said
I don't see how it's narcissistic if it's his/her preferred style of writing. Though, it does make it harder to know who's who. Zaresto also put the character name at the top of the post. I don't see how it's a problem :/

It confuses the shit out of me, and It'll often mess with the flow of the RP, for instance do I interact with him as 'you' or as 'him' does he interact with us in second person as a first person would or third as we would? its also a self insert, which will often cause players to be over protective of their caricatures resulting in a refusal to suffer fair injury or the abuse of powers or loopholes in rules. You are naturally more protective of yourself than something you control, and by using the self insert of 'I' and 'Me' you instinctively treat the caricature as a extension of yourself and thus worth the same protective instincts.
I am not trying to be rude here, this isn't a conscious decision of the player to be over protective but rather a subconscious reaction built in to all humans as a survival instinct.
Look at it this way, If something of mine, EG lets say a book. was about to get burnt, so long as its not utterly irreplaceable, I would try and stop it but not suffer a mortal wound to halt the process. However, if someone was about to burn me at the stake, I'd probably go to the extreme lengths of doing things like breaking my own legs to escape. The same is applicable here, my caricature is just a creation of mine, a book, or a cuddly toy of sorts if you will. where as if one was to use the self projection of I, one is firstly projecting a power fantasy of wishing to be more than one is (Not that I care about that, everyone has there own daydreams) but one is putting the caricature upon the same level of value as one's own well being, thus will do irrational things (from a outside view) to protect such a object of value. The problem with this is that such a proposition cannot be disproved because of the above statement, The removal of this self insert would be equivocal to dying, however that would not happen if he could prove that he is capable of taking a hit, thus his own (over protective) logic states that by taking a hit now he can keep the self insert which will lead to further complications down the line due to the wish to keep the self insert preserved as it is an extension of ones self. He would do something irrational (such as take a hit on his own terms of a minor degree, EG a scrape, or a arrow to the lower arm.) so that he may avoid the elimination of the chance of avoidance of grater problems at the moment, (removal of first person use and thus self insert) which will lead to problems later on as he does not wish for this extension of himself to be harmed.

Can you see how the use of first person becomes a issue? I'm not saying he's a bad role-player, or that he's going to do it consciously and is choosing to do such things. infact I'm saying the opposite. He's a fine roleplayer (I can see that from the style of his writing) and I doubt if he had a choice he'd do such things as above, but, as with all things human, sometimes we just don't work the way we want to.

Sorry for wall of text I just cited a essay of mine from Alevel physiology discussing the use of third/first person in conversations about one's self.

eddieddi said
It confuses the shit out of me, and It'll often mess with the flow of the RP, for instance do I interact with him as 'you' or as 'him' does he interact with us in second person as a first person would or third as we would? its also a self insert, which will often cause players to be over protective of their caricatures resulting in a refusal to suffer fair injury or the abuse of powers or loopholes in rules. You are naturally more protective of yourself than something you control, and by using the self insert of 'I' and 'Me' you instinctively treat the caricature as a extension of yourself and thus worth the same protective instincts.
I am not trying to be rude here, this isn't a conscious decision of the player to be over protective but rather a subconscious reaction built in to all humans as a survival instinct.
Look at it this way, If something of mine, EG lets say a book. was about to get burnt, so long as its not utterly irreplaceable, I would try and stop it but not suffer a mortal wound to halt the process. However, if someone was about to burn me at the stake, I'd probably go to the extreme lengths of doing things like breaking my own legs to escape. The same is applicable here, my caricature is just a creation of mine, a book, or a cuddly toy of sorts if you will. where as if one was to use the self projection of I, one is firstly projecting a power fantasy of wishing to be more than one is (Not that I care about that, everyone has there own daydreams) but one is putting the caricature upon the same level of value as one's own well being, thus will do irrational things (from a outside view) to protect such a object of value. The problem with this is that such a proposition cannot be disproved because of the above statement, The removal of this self insert would be equivocal to dying, however that would not happen if he could prove that he is capable of taking a hit, thus his own (over protective) logic states that by taking a hit now he can keep the self insert which will lead to further complications down the line due to the wish to keep the self insert preserved as it is an extension of ones self. He would do something irrational (such as take a hit on his own terms of a minor degree, EG a scrape, or a arrow to the lower arm.) so that he may avoid the elimination of the chance of avoidance of grater problems at the moment, (removal of first person use and thus self insert) which will lead to problems later on as he does not wish for this extension of himself to be harmed.

Can you see how the use of first person becomes a issue? I'm not saying he's a bad role-player, or that he's going to do it consciously and is choosing to do such things. infact I'm saying the opposite. He's a fine roleplayer (I can see that from the style of his writing) and I doubt if he had a choice he'd do such things as above, but, as with all things human, sometimes we just don't work the way we want to.
Sorry for wall of text I just cited a essay of mine from Alevel physiology discussing the use of third/first person in conversations about one's self.

Eh, I see it differently. There's already going to be many confusing parts when reading an IC thread, mainly because posts often backtrack on the same topic in order to add substance into their post. While first person can sometimes add to such a problem, it can also alleviate confusion in the process. With first person, I find it much easier to convey emotions and thoughts, due to how I'm seeing the world through my character's eyes. With third person, it can sometimes be hard to figure out what the poster meant when his/her character was doing something, but first person allows the viewer to get a better understanding of the character's motivation, due to how it is more natural to explain such things in first person. Furthermore, while dramatic irony (something amplified by first person) can be confusing in some places, it serves as a much needed catalyst to character interaction, as well as interaction with the world around the character. (BTW: First person doesn't change how you would normally interact with the character)

On the topic of first person leading to god-modding, I can see where you're coming from, but I wouldn't jump to conclusions just yet. While this may be true for some, the characters I roleplay are rarely an extension of myself. In fact, that would get quite dull, so I make sure my characters are distinctly different from me. Sure, they may have some of my mental, emotional, or physical characteristics, but rarely do they match my own. (I mean, I've never been a girl) On the topic of god-modding, yes I do have a stronger connection than I would with third person, so yes, I would want to try and protect my character, but it works both ways. I have to enter this persona to post, so every time I have to mimic their emotions, which allows a much more tangible view of my character, as I often have to slave over details and get to know my character in the process, allowing for more natural characterization.

I hope you see where I'm coming from.

Yikes... I wasn't expecting such a debate when I woke up this morning... @.@

I honestly didn't know what to say when you asked if first person was okay. I had already alienated Beloved by asking to write in past tense, and I didn't want to do the same to you by asking to write in third person. We have to remember that this is the Casual forum, not the Advanced. If I were to lay down such a stringent rule as, "Please write in past tense and third person to accommodate the compilation," I'd might as well move this RP to Advanced and risk losing more writers in the process because they'll be thinking, "Does Benit know what she wants out of this RP?" I do, but I'm failing to word it correctly, which I'm afraid might be causing problems for you guys.

I honestly don't see what the big deal is when it comes to character perspective; I don't think we need to be so philosophical over a casual RP. If an RPer can bring their best writing in a preferred point of view, isn't it all the better for us? Of course, Zaresto needs to mention who he's playing as and write in a manner so we're not confused. However, I did mention in the intro post that character interaction is strongly desired, so if Zaresto can bring that interaction the best in first person, then I don't have an issue with it.

I'll have to adjust it to third person for the compilation however. Once I wing out a PDF of the first chapter, you'll see that I'll preserve everything else except for the first person view, so there isn't any need to worry. Changing perspective might be as hassling as changing verb tense in the long run, but I don't want to alienate anyone else for my own convenience.

Might I ask the purpose of this compilation?

One, to preserve the posts in case this site crashed again.

Two, to give me a reason to monitor everyone's posts. Otherwise I fall into the trap of just paying attention to my own posts.

Three, because I've done it before with past RPs for later reading. It's become a habit of mine to compile any RPs I start, even though it isn't really necessary. You could interpret this as my own amusement or not, but at least the first two reasons are practical.

Fair enough.

Zaresto said
Eh, I see it differently. There's already going to be many confusing parts when reading an IC thread, mainly because posts often backtrack on the same topic in order to add substance into their post. While first person can sometimes add to such a problem, it can also alleviate confusion in the process. With first person, I find it much easier to convey emotions and thoughts, due to how I'm seeing the world through my character's eyes. With third person, it can sometimes be hard to figure out what the poster meant when his/her character was doing something, but first person allows the viewer to get a better understanding of the character's motivation, due to how it is more natural to explain such things in first person. Furthermore, while dramatic irony (something amplified by first person) can be confusing in some places, it serves as a much needed catalyst to character interaction, as well as interaction with the world around the character. (BTW: First person doesn't change how you would normally interact with the character)On the topic of first person leading to god-modding, I can see where you're coming from, but I wouldn't jump to conclusions just yet. While this may be true for some, the characters I roleplay are rarely an extension of myself. In fact, that would get quite dull, so I make sure my characters are distinctly different from me. Sure, they may have some of my mental, emotional, or physical characteristics, but rarely do they match my own. (I mean, I've never been a girl) On the topic of god-modding, yes I do have a stronger connection than I would with third person, so yes, I would want to try and protect my character, but it works both ways. I have to enter this persona to post, so every time I have to mimic their emotions, which allows a much more tangible view of my character, as I often have to slave over details and get to know my character in the process, allowing for more natural characterization. I hope you see where I'm coming from.

Indeed I can, I guess this is going to be a wait and see game. I hope you can prove me wrong. I have voiced my concerns, and I do not wish to get in to a protracted debate over this, it will probably injure the RP.

benit149 said
One, to preserve the posts in case this site crashed again.Two, to give me a reason to monitor everyone's posts. Otherwise I fall into the trap of just paying attention to my own posts.Three, because I've done it before with past RPs for later reading. It's become a habit of mine to compile any RPs I start, even though it isn't really necessary. You could interpret this as my own amusement or not, but at least the first two reasons are practical.

in that case, can I ask for a copy of it when we're done? I do enjoy re-reading old RPs.

Absolutely. I'll divide it into manageable chapters and upload them somewhere. I'm hoping to keep each chapter about 10-15 MS Word pages, and we're at 7 for the moment.

benit149 said
Absolutely. I'll divide it into manageable chapters and upload them somewhere. I'm hoping to keep each chapter about 10-15 MS Word pages, and we're at 7 for the moment.

Gods above, what font size do you use? also if you just want to send it to me on skype.

Calibri size 11. I could do size 10 but it might hurt my eyes. I'm also not familiar with Skype. I was thinking of just uploading it on my Angelfire and posting the direct link, unless there's a better place to upload it.

benit149 said
Calibri size 11. I could do size 10 but it might hurt my eyes. I'm also not familiar with Skype. I was thinking of just uploading it on my Angelfire and posting the direct link, unless there's a better place to upload it.

Not off the top of my head. if you've got skype tis simple, add me. hit the little cross button 'send file' select the compilation and hit open or send, and bam sent to me viea net

The problem is I don't have it on this computer but on my parents' laptop, and I'd like to keep that reserved for family. I'll figure out some other way to upload it. It's a good alternative, but I can't really use it. Sorry about that.

There's a website called Fictionpress that I use for all of my literary do-dads. It's in the public domain but it might suffice as somewhere to post it in the meantime. You can upload it in chapters too, so you don't necessarily have to up it in one go.

~shuffles in to corner and mumbles something about getting banned from said sight~

What?