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Please stop responding to the troll.


Excuse me, but those are two different accounts. Just because someone's sheet isn't up to the standards of the rest of the players, doesn't mean they should be dismissed out of hand without comment or consideration.
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@Dead Cruiser Not a troll, I'm just more used to nation roleplays. Don't mind Cziken, he's just doing it for a laugh.
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Excuse me, but those are two different accounts. Just because someone's sheet isn't up to the standards of the rest of the players, doesn't mean they should be dismissed out of hand without comment or consideration.


Two accounts made within minutes of each other, each with their only post in this RP, in immediate succession. Are you new?

That and the direct admittance that they're "related" (the same person).

I'm not going to be commentating on the matter further. I'll just wait for a mod to come online and clean up this mess.

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<Snipped quote by Guilty Spark>

Two accounts made within minutes of each other, each with their only post in this RP, in immediate succession. Are you new?

That and the direct admittance that they're "related" (the same person).

I'm not going to be commentating on the matter further. I'll just wait for a mod to come online and clean up this mess.


I know Yuri from a chat, we found out about this when someone there linked it and both made accounts. That's it.
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@Dead Cruiser I really doubt cziken would want to be me lol. Anyhow, the mods can check our IP addresses and confirm we are separate people, or ask us for other contact information to confirm, if they wish.
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Alrighty. I don't like to complain, but I really have to bring up @yoshua171's character.

- He has a ring that he always knows the location of and that protects him from magic. Okay, sure.
- He has an amulet with someone's soul in it that improves his focus, and presumably thus all of his powers, "twentyfold." O-kay.
- He has a sword where just unsheathing it causes everyone nearby to kill themselves by starvation.
- He can read people's emotions.
- He can summon, and to an extent mind-control, demons (and, uh, gods?)
- He can magically bind himself to wandering spirits and force them to do his bidding.
- He can, apparently, shatter peoples' minds and souls and absorb them into himself.

Doesn't that seem a bit excessive? Not to mention his backstory, which comes across as incredibly edgy -- for some reason his village reacts to finding out a child is blind by abandoning them in the woods, and then bringing out an executioner to kill him when he returns. Then the executioner just magically falls to the ground, the sword goes flying through the air and kills the town leader. Seeing this, the townspeople let your character live with them for five years. He wanders to the coast, takes a convenient fishing boat to wander the lands, and stumbles upon a temple full of wise men who teach him how to harness his magic. Then a mysterious hooded stranger tells him to seek out people to kill a demon, so he travels along, doing "good" that isn't elaborated on but also killing entire villages when people make him angry. Then he meets up with people, gets a bunch of overpowered gear and kills a demon.

I just find it hard to believe that this guy would ever be known as a mythical hero.
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<Snipped quote by Guilty Spark>

Two accounts made within minutes of each other, each with their only post in this RP, in immediate succession. Are you new?

That and the direct admittance that they're "related" (the same person).

I'm not going to be commentating on the matter further. I'll just wait for a mod to come online and clean up this mess.


Because a minor troll couldn't have a friend who actually wants to join this rp, right? That's not a thing that could happen, right? Your attitude bothers me.
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@DeltaV While it's not in my nature to bring up old shit, you're basically not alone. In the previous thread, all three GMs (myself included) got pretty big red flags from this character, over basically everything you just said. There was an incredible amount of deliberation on the matter, but ravenDivinity and yoshua seem to have reached a conclusion?

I feel like more could be done to bring the character in line in terms of tone and quality, but I'm willing to trust Raven's judgement on the matter.
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I think y'all should take a hearty step back and take a breather, yeah?

It is very rude to bring up criticisms of a character in the OOC - if the character bothers you to the extent of negatively affecting your experience, take it up with the GM personally or with the player personally.

And @Dead Cruiser, come on, you should know better than that. Let's put the barbs away.
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...So, um, I missed a lot.
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I think it makes perfect sense to discuss valid criticisms of other characters. If we're all going to be interacting with one another, surely we want everyone to be alright with each other's characters, no? If someone has a problem with mine I'd like them to bring it up.
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I think it makes perfect sense to discuss valid criticisms of other characters. If we're all going to be interacting with one another, surely we want everyone to be alright with each other's characters, no? If someone has a problem with mine I'd like them to bring it up.


I agree wholeheartedly. Viewing criticism of writing as "rude" belies an unnecessary level of emotional investment in a work. This isn't a personal attack, it's an open discussion for the betterment of the game.
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@Corvidae your center tag(s) are broken on your sheet in the Chara tab, just thought you might want to know ^^
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@Corvidae your center tag(s) are broken on your sheet in the Chara tab, just thought you might want to know ^^


Oh, are they? Hey, thanks for pointing that out; I'll fix it in just a bit!
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Perhaps it's just the nature of the RP community that I frequent, but it I believe that it is impolite to bring up criticisms such as yours up in the public forum.

And if you want to create and maintain a positive character-focused environment, neglecting the people behind the characters and insulting them is probably not going to be conducive to your goal, yanno?

That said, I have no power or anything here, so we should all just be as civil as possible and get along and eat all of the free shrimp, yeah?

@ravenDivinity i'm so ready for this shrimp man you don't even know
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That would be perfectly valid, if I were trying to insult the character and not give valid criticisms in the hope that it improves. As an extreme example, what if @cziken20 had been accepted? Would it not make perfect sense to point out that the character doesn't really fit, in my opinion, with the setting?
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what if @cziken20 had been accepted?


>Implying i won't

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"I created this RP not to powerplay myself as some godlike entity that has complete control over a story. I created it because I wanted to play a game in this very world with a quite unusual storyline and basis. For this reason, I do not assume total control over the roleplay, but rather insist that the responsibility be shared out between all players involved in the game." - OP
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That would be perfectly valid, if I were trying to insult the character and not give valid criticisms in the hope that it improves. As an extreme example, what if @cziken20 had been accepted? Would it not make perfect sense to point out that the character doesn't really fit, in my opinion, with the setting?

Well, I must say that while I actually agree in regards to the criticism being fairly open, I must say that it seems you picked out all of Lyrsaeyn's strengths without taking in mind the weaknesses related to his abilities. Nonetheless I will address the issues brought forth :)

Alrighty. I don't like to complain, but I really have to bring up @yoshua171's character.

- He has a ring that he always knows the location of and that protects him from magic. Okay, sure.
- He has an amulet with someone's soul in it that improves his focus, and presumably thus all of his powers, "twentyfold." O-kay.
- He has a sword where just unsheathing it causes everyone nearby to kill themselves by starvation.
- He can read people's emotions.
- He can summon, and to an extent mind-control, demons (and, uh, gods?)
- He can magically bind himself to wandering spirits and force them to do his bidding.
- He can, apparently, shatter peoples' minds and souls and absorb them into himself.

Doesn't that seem a bit excessive? Not to mention his backstory, which comes across as incredibly edgy -- for some reason his village reacts to finding out a child is blind by abandoning them in the woods, and then bringing out an executioner to kill him when he returns. Then the executioner just magically falls to the ground, the sword goes flying through the air and kills the town leader. Seeing this, the townspeople let your character live with them for five years. He wanders to the coast, takes a convenient fishing boat to wander the lands, and stumbles upon a temple full of wise men who teach him how to harness his magic. Then a mysterious hooded stranger tells him to seek out people to kill a demon, so he travels along, doing "good" that isn't elaborated on but also killing entire villages when people make him angry. Then he meets up with people, gets a bunch of overpowered gear and kills a demon.

I just find it hard to believe that this guy would ever be known as a mythical hero.

@DeltaV While it's not in my nature to bring up old shit, you're basically not alone. In the previous thread, all three GMs (myself included) got pretty big red flags from this character, over basically everything you just said. There was an incredible amount of deliberation on the matter, but ravenDivinity and yoshua seem to have reached a conclusion?

I feel like more could be done to bring the character in line in terms of tone and quality, but I'm willing to trust Raven's judgement on the matter.


While I have addressed these concerns with Raven, I will address them here so thngs are more clear.

>His ring does not protect him from all magic, it protects him specifically from psychic influences. This is stated in its description. He knows its general direction, not its exact location.

>No it doesn't improve the potency of his powers, only his range and focus. Range meaning the distance which he can extend his abilities. Focus meaning his ability to hone in on details and multitask.

>Starvation takes three (or more) days, Lyrsaeyn is a pacifist by nature and once the he has the sheath he will likely not fully unsheath the blade unless it is a last ditch effort to achieve victory. Also note that unsheathing the blade fully means that he pretty much has a death wish. Partially unsheathing the blade will not have an effect on living people because the sheath restrains the abilities. I will add this last bit to the description since I didn't make it clear enough. My apologies.

>He can read emotions being projected towards people. He cannot read the minds of other people or their thoughts at all. Also it is notable that, as noted in the description of Vale's Insight, he is blind. He uses "sight" to discern people's mental state similar to how normal people use their vision to read expressions and body language (both things Lyr cannot do).

>He can't summon anything. He can draw on the spiritual energies in his surroundings and he can bind non-living spirits to himself (or others) so as to manipulate/control them. As to mind controlling a god that is absolutely absurd. In terms of demons, I don't know how that is defined in this world whatsoever so I can't really draw any conclusions. However, if a demon is a god's "evil" or "dark" counterpart then no he cannot control them.

>Not sure why the binding to wandering spirits is such a big deal? I mean aside from him giving them spiritual energy to move things around him they end up as amplifiers (to an extent) to his explained abilities. They also drain his sanity....

>He can't absorb people's minds. He can "rend" them (or shatter as you put it), but it requires four times the spiritual energy of that "mind," and it drains his own sanity (mind) to do so. It is immensely taxing and again, he is a pacifist and rending someone's mind is a violent thing indeed.
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Okay, everyone take a deep breath and bust a chill.

Here, okay, @Yurishy, go ahead and expand your character sheet some more, offer me some more details on his backstory and his abilities. Being specific here makes things a lot easier for me to check.

It's pretty much obvious that @cziken20's character is a joke submission, erring on the side of troll-ish. Probably going to get deleted for some obvious RPG rule infractions. But I will look at Yurishy separately. We're aware of the fact that they joined in succession, and that may hold important for forum moderation. But for us? I'll dismiss it for now.

Pretty much what @Dead Cruiser said is true of past deliberations. I talked with @yoshua171 about it, and we've reached a conclusion. If anyone wants to get a word in and make their judgment, I'll allow it, and I'm sure yoshua is willing to bridge those gaps. Hopefully we can pull everyone into a state of agreement on this issue, so I can call it settled.

@Tuujaimaa, I concur with @DeltaV. An open forum for discussing our characters and developing a trust between each other (the same trust that this roleplay is built upon) is in order, and I, personally, am open to seeing criticisms of characters if they are fair and civil in their disposition. But the cats are already out of the bag, so to speak, and I suppose it is time for more transparency in decision-making if it will quell the masses. Therefore, as long as remarks are kept impersonal and roleplay-focused, I am allowing them.

Direct attacks on a person are not allowed, and I will strike them swiftly. It is important, however, to separate criticisms of a character from criticisms of a person. For example, one might criticize a writer's work, but that is not a criticism of the writer himself. I could say that I don't like Harry Potter and criticize it as a work, but it doesn't mean that J.K. Rowling isn't a good author. We should carry ourselves with this mindset.

But let's focus on criticism as a tool of improvement and not just make criticism, but rather constructive criticism. Let's avoid obvious clichés like conveniently-placed plot devices. Let's work together to write better in general. This venture is not just a private one between GM and player, but a cohesive effort amongst the players for a common goal. Shall we all bury old hatchets, for the good sake of our passion for roleplay and literary art? Shall we remove ourselves from equations, to see our faults in clear light without taking personal offense?

I believe that public deliberation and shared responsibility, as @Guilty Spark mentioned, are of the key pillars of this roleplay. We should follow the good examples set before us.

@yoshua171 went out and clarified some things. If these are okay with everyone else, then I am so conditioned to permit them. But if anyone shall pick his head up and say nay, then I insist that you make your case heard. I'm sure that compromise will be a good tool for us.

Let's just eat this damn shrimp already.
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