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God, they make me sick. If they were actually nice guys, they wouldn't pretend it's an actual reason that women should be interested in them. Being 'nice' shouldn't be something that sets you apart, it should be par for the course. That's not the case, of course, but have you ever considered the fact that women may not be flocking to you because you've given them literally no reason to be interested in you other than the fact that you won't grab their ass or slap them? My goddamn Tivo Remote doesn't grab asses or slap anyone, but do you think he gets laid very often?...

_{Alright, maybe I did rent him out to one of those porn studios, but she was being paid to do that to him... Y'know, to portray a lady desperate enough to go for one of the "nice guys".}

Nice guys are basically the residual dregs of the bygone era of chivalry.

Fortunately for all, many of them are gradually (if albeit begrudgingly) coming to comprehend that bending over backwards for women at every opportunity is a hilariously skewed zero-sum game that favors the more graceful human sex.

As a former nice guy of sheepish deportment, I somehow garner more respect from the women that I regularly come into contact with by telling them "no" whenever they ask for something nonsensical or petty, by permitting myself first access through a doorway before them, and by maintaining level eye-contact with their faces while speaking with a hint of ego when engaging in discourse with them. I place my own needs before theirs; my daily conduct in the social jingle mirrors this philosophical imperative.

Still hasn't landed me a one-night stand though, but at least I don't get shat on as much.

Still hasn't landed me a one-night stand, but at least I don't get shat on as much.

I'm pretty sure the only way to land a one-night stand is to ask if she wants a one-night stand. And the only way to get a date is to ask someone if they want a date. That's really the only thing I've seen that A. Works and B. Isn't particularly awful when it doesn't work... Though you probably shouldn't go around asking for one night stands...

Men should never respect women if women don't respect them. Also I'm sick of how untouchable media makes women seem in pop culture

Men should never respect women if women don't respect them. Also I'm sick of how untouchable media makes women seem in pop culture

Generally? Like if you have an issue with some women, be an awful person to all women? Or do you mean individually, like if a woman treats you bad, you don't owe her shit.? It's an important distinction. The former speaks of some significant personal issues, the latter is obvious advice.

Though you probably shouldn't go around asking for one night stands...

Woop, gotta go write that down...

What happens if I only need a fifteen minute stand? That seems conservative enough. Can I ask for that?

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Generally? Like if you have an issue with some women, be an awful person to all women? Or do you mean individually, like if a woman treats you bad, you don't owe her shit.? It's an important distinction. The former speaks of some significant personal issues, the latter is obvious advice.

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Woop, gotta go write that down...

What happens if I only need a fifteen minute stand? That seems conservative enough. Can I ask for that?

Society expects men to respect women and never the other way around. Respect is a choice for women. Women have been patronized by the PC filled media that makes them seem morally superior to men

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Society expects men to respect women and never the other way around. Respect is a choice for women. Women have been patronized by the PC filled media that makes them seem morally superior to men

Where? How is it that I've never once ran across this as an issue except for on the internet? Seriously, in my life if a women is an awful person, everyone acknowledges it. I've never seen any great race to protect her awfulness. At best she might have one or two pathetic fucks sucking up to her to try to get in her pants, but I've never seen any sort of grand social conspiracy.

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Where? How is it that I've never once ran across this as an issue except for on the internet? Seriously, in my life if a women is an awful person, everyone acknowledges it. I've never seen any great race to protect her awfulness. At best she might have one or two pathetic fucks sucking up to her to try to get in her pants, but I've never seen any sort of grand social conspiracy.

Domestic abuse awareness is extremely one dimensional and there's been several social experiments that show people come to the defense of a woken over a man

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Domestic abuse awareness is extremely one dimensional and there's been several social experiments that show people come to the defense of a woken over a man

That's because women usually are the ones getting hit. It's not that it doesn't happen to men, but can you name a case that's happened recently where a man's partner got away with abuse just because? If there's abuse, and there's reasonable proof for it, the offender usually gets penalized.

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That's because women usually are the ones getting hit. It's not that it doesn't happen to men, but can you name a case that's happened recently where a man's partner got away with abuse just because? If there's abuse, and there's reasonable proof for it, the offender usually gets penalized.

It was proven that male domestic abuse much like lesbian abuse victims do not talk about their abuse most of the time out of fear of facing ridicule or no one believing them.

Again several studies have shown that abuse is almost fifty fifty when it comes to men and women. And I've never seen an ad showing a male domestic abuse victim which is disgusting in my opinion and wrong.

It paints a narrow minded feminist narrative and is not equality

Feminists bring valid points to the table, and some MRAs bring valid points to the table (divorce/child custody and domestic violence against men not being taken seriously being big ones that people with feminist views like me sometimes sweep to the side, though I think gender roles are more to blame for those than feminism). We're getting into hot territory here, so this is my piece:

No matter how valid your points are, (and I'm speaking to absolutely everyone here, including a reminder to myself) getting angry and lashing out at the other side in revenge and making generalizations to justify your anger completely dilutes whatever message you're trying to get across. It makes you look like a crazy person, then no one will take you seriously, and then when they see someone else trying to make the same point, they'll remember you and then write the next person off as a crazy person too. It hurts the entire movement, whatever movement your advocating, to get angry.

For a good example, check out my behavior earlier in the thread. I still believe in what I said, but not how I tried to say it.

A rational discussion might actually convince someone, a rage filled tirade will not, no matter how justified it may seem. Yeah, there are always going to be radicals who are louder and get more attention than you, but they're just a loud minority, and only other radicals take them seriously. They can be safely ignored.

So that's my internet wisdom of the day. Be safe kids, and take a few deep breaths before you touch a keyboard. And don't take any wooden nickels.

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It was proven that male domestic abuse much like lesbian abuse victims do not talk about their abuse most of the time out of fear of facing ridicule or no one believing them.

Again several studies have shown that abuse is almost fifty fifty when it comes to men and women. And I've never seen an ad showing a male domestic abuse victim which is disgusting in my opinion and wrong.

It paints a narrow minded feminist narrative and is not equality

I'm not sure feminism is the boogeyman you're looking for here. Men don't talk about their problems because of the "manly" ideals that have been instilled in them over hundreds of years, before Feminism even existed. You don't see men in ads because women are the ones addressing this, because no one has spent generations building a social construct that tells women not to tell people about their shit and only deal with everything themselves.

but can you name a case that's happened recently where a man's partner got away with abuse just because? If there's abuse, and there's reasonable proof for it, the offender usually gets penalized.

Although, from what I can tell, it appears more like a "she says, he says" and that is was abuse of a step-sister and nephew instead of a husband/spouse, an example would be Hope Solo. Her case got dismissed (although that happened because of procedural issues), even though the whole Ray Rice fiasco was still fresh in people's minds. However, it appears that the state has appealed the ruling.

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I'm not sure feminism is the boogeyman you're looking for here. Men don't talk about their problems because of the "manly" ideals that have been instilled in them over hundreds of years, before Feminism even existed. You don't see men in ads because women are the ones addressing this, because no one has spent generations building a social construct that tells women not to tell people about their shit and only deal with everything themselves.

This.

The problem isn't that feminism is blocking male issues. The problem is that men's rights movements have focused all their attention refuting feminists and are spending no effort actually helping men. Women didn't get the vote by whining that men were mean. They marched, they protested, they signed petitions and made noise. People are generally more reasonable then everyone likes to think. If you make an effort pointing out the skewed design of child support, or the sexual stereotypes attached to abuse, people will eventually listen. Because really, in both sexes, the support is already there, it just hasn't coalesced yet.

Girls like Lucina be like:

"You think just because I'm a girl, I cant fight???!!

When nobody said anything.

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I'm not sure feminism is the boogeyman you're looking for here. Men don't talk about their problems because of the "manly" ideals that have been instilled in them over hundreds of years, before Feminism even existed. You don't see men in ads because women are the ones addressing this, because no one has spent generations building a social construct that tells women not to tell people about their shit and only deal with everything themselves.

That still isn't equality. Also mra focus on feminism mainly because feminism has infected several institutions such as schools, government and have poisoned them. Atheism+ is that reality

People who say "Today's (Insert shit here) sucks! It was way better in (insert generation here)!". I'm sure people will be saying the exact same thing about today's (Insert shit here) when we've had a generation or so for everything mediocre-bad to sink into obscurity. It's all a matter of preference. Were there good things in those days? Yes. There's also good things now. The video game market may seem overrun with brown shooters, but decades ago, the video game market was overrun with neon-colored platformers. Pop is terrible today? Rock was terrible back then. There was good stuff, of course, (just like there's good pop, if you know where to look.) but all those glam stock characters and caricatures of metalheads? Their jabs aren't based on exagerrations.

There's good stuff out there, you just have to go through the effort of finding it, just like people did way back when. Do you think that if something's good, its fandom will just spring up out of nowhere? Of course not! Everything starts small, people have to find out about it. You can be someone who just sits there and grumbles about everything being shitty these days, or you can actually go about finding things that suit your interests.

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That still isn't equality. Also mra focus on feminism mainly because feminism has infected several institutions such as schools, government and have poisoned them. Atheism+ is that reality

Nope. They focus on it because they've fallen for the scapegoat fallacy. They don't try to improve themselves or the world around them. Rather, they blame their problems on an arbitrarily chosen scapegoat. It's like those Neo-Nazi's who blame their failures on other races instead of looking at themselves or the institutions that surround them. Picking a scapegoat is easy. It takes a certain amount of maturity and cool-headedness to recognize the more complicated reality, and too recognize that you are at least partially responsible for these things.

Feminism isn't a problem. There are certainly overzealous feminists in university settings, and on tumbler, but there are overzealous everything everywhere and most people don't pay them much attention. Don't get caught up on that.

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Nope. They focus on it because they've fallen for the scapegoat fallacy. They don't try to improve themselves or the world around them. Rather, they blame their problems on an arbitrarily chosen scapegoat. It's like those Neo-Nazi's who blame their failures on other races instead of looking at themselves or the institutions that surround them. Picking a scapegoat is easy. It takes a certain amount of maturity and cool-headedness to recognize the more complicated reality, and too recognize that you are at least partially responsible for these things.

Feminism isn't a problem. There are certainly overzealous feminists in university settings, and on tumbler, but there are overzealous everything everywhere and most people don't pay them much attention. Don't get caught up on that.

If they pass laws then it becomes a problem. Hitler and his Nazis started out talking to the public and they didn't take over Germany with threats, they promised a better future and all other empty promises, I find that groups that claims to be righteous and immune to satire and criticism are a serious problem

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If they pass laws then it becomes a problem. Hitler and his Nazis started out talking to the public and they didn't take over Germany with threats, they promised a better future and all other empty promises, I find that groups that claims to be righteous and immune to satire and criticism are a serious problem

Actually, the idea that Hitler rose to power peacefully isn't quite true. He used a hell of a lot of violence, even trying for a full-out violent take over as early as '23. Even after that failed, he used his SS paramilitary to eliminate political threats and bullied his way into office.

Moralistic forces can only take over a society if they have broad appeal. Religion tends to be the winner because it comes packaged with cosmological urgency. Fascism was only upheld with a certain amount of bullying. But tumblr's brand of extreme feminism? A movement that can't spread beyond teenage girls and sociology professors isn't going to become a real problem. It's just an easy target that means nothing.