I meant that personality-wise. I figured that was obvious. Their entire culture revolves around it. So even our physically weak healer knows how to fight in melee and has their cultural honesty. I was surprised you went with a hundi who didn't really act like a hundi in any way. They can act plenty of different ways, but the cultural "proud of my ability to fight even if it's not my main focus, honorable, honest" traits are there in some way most of the time, at least.

You have to be specific about the timing on the spells that, if they just lasted forever, would break things. The healing spell does define timing.

@VitaVitaAR Your right, it says 'heals instantly' that is in fact timing...I guess. So you should have no problem with mine. Though as for hold monster...I kind of already described it. I used to have it as, he has to concentrate implying he can't attack and has to focus, if that nerf helps. And the illusion I thought was kind of implied...(until they figure out it isn't an illusion, usually by an attack and it going through it.) But I made everything even clearer. And put limits (explanations) on nearly everything.

@VitaVitaAR When I think 'proud warrior' race in actual terms, I think of like people that shun using magic. Along the lines of Skyrim. Plus, I was really getting harped on (in lack of a better term) for having multiple weapons, when the inquisitor has a good chunk of weapons, multiple daggers, he used to have several bombs, don't know if that was edited or not. Not blaming him, it makes sense to have as many things as possible going into unknown dungeons. And I REALLY don't get why he couldn't have a crossbow, if I wasn't allowed to be someone that fights. (I know someone said/implied that too.) if Hundi can be mages that cast fireballs.

Had to change classes, and almost change abilities because of 'someone called dibs' when we have so many swordsman's and we have two knights, multiple mages, why couldn't I of been a different kind of rogue, they exist don't they? Or why my bard couldn't have 'rogue' skills when they literally are masters of tricking and manipulation.

And I had to explain why more one than person should be able heal in a party. Which you did change your mind on...But I do feel like decision with my character are being made on the fly. I just genuinely really don't get why I've had to change my CS so many times.

Your right, it says 'heals instantly' that is in fact timing...I guess.

Um, it says only minor things are healed instantly, and anything else takes time to heal.

@SleepingSilence: As @Rin pointed out, instant healing is only for minor injuries. I need some kind of time range for the spells because they cause an effect. If he could just freeze a boss forever, well, that fight is basically won instantly. And hey, turning invisible forever is a bit extreme, you didn't say that part had a limit. Again, it's an effect.

I didn't say the Hundi shunned magic at any point. If there's anything I should have say about hundi mages it's that they're relatively uncommon because as a race the hundi don't tend to have magical aptitude, but unlike dwarves it can happen.

Multiple weapons was purely because you switched to a bard. Who should not be a walking armory, if you want to have tons of weapons and fight a lot, that's a different class entirely. Which I said you could change to, or make up your own. And all the swordspeople fight very differently. I also asked the knight(who still worked differently from Tanya) to change some things up. I never got a response in the end.

I never said you couldn't fight. I said if you're being a bard, focus on the magical music and cut back on directly offensive stuff.

@Rin Please don't get me wrong, I don't think you or any other characters have any problems. I only mention all the things I did, because I've felt like I'm the only one being targeted for a bunch of what I feel are starting to be less and less justifiable changes. Nothing against you personally what so ever. Sorry. <3

I mean, that's still vague if you want to argue. How long exactly? But I don't want to argue. I'm fine with non stat rps being about imagination and role-playing and acting it out...I don't mind the specifics. But for my character. I seem that I HAVE to put specifics.

You're being asked for specifics simply because you're the one person whose spells have an attached duration.

Everything else is fire and forget.

@VitaVitaAR Can we just assume, the stronger the monster, the less time it effects and the faster they may be able to break out of it? Like if there's ever an OP moment in an RP...I mean it doesn't work against races/non-monsters as well, that's the limitation of that spell also usually dungeons have more than one monster attacking, usually...

And he doesn't turn invisible forever when the illusion breaks, the illusion breaks...meaning so does the invisibility...I mean bard have another skill where they turn anything within any allies large radius invisible until they attack or use a spell. I don't think, 'forever' until illusion is found out (which could literally be a few seconds) is that OP, no.

Well, I mean, if it wasn't a problem in the first place, 10 posts having to discuss it, wouldn't of even happened.

So what your saying is, you asked someone to change a few things, and they didn't reply at all. But their accepted easily and I'm not? (or was that the deleted one? Maybe I'm off about this one if so I apologize and ignore.)

Still, Why no crossbow? If I can't fight well close range, why the helk wouldn't I have a distant weapon? (especially if so many people on our team are melee fighters.)

There's plenty of questions still not answered. I really don't mean to be sound so confrontational. I really, really don't. Like I really hope, this is all like legit, genuine mix of different opinions and not 'polite suggestions' to go elsewhere or something along those lines.

@Raineh Daze Aside from the fact, It looks like a few people edited their characters. Even then, I still have so many questions of why I had to change various things, that others seem to get a pass on.

Could I really not of created a second rogue-like class? Could I have a invisible spell? Or a healing spell? Or a magic attack since I cant fight physically? People told me no, I can only play the musics. And clearly do not know what bards do.

I mean opinions have changed, but why do I have to fight so much in the first place? Wouldn't it be easier to like just roll with it, and if you think that person is God modding, (ooc Hey, don't god mod for heavens sake) can be done...I was told that I'm not getting nitpicked. But I certainly feel like I'm getting nickpicked.

@SleepingSilence: If it's literally just against monsters, in context of the setting that doesn't really make much sense. How exactly would you magically differentiate between a monster and anything else? Would it work on undead even though they're technically just the bodies of other pre-existing races? However, you mentioning having a shorter duration for more powerful targets works out fine.

That wasn't explained, so I didn't know exactly what you meant. It could have just been he stays invisible as long as he wants(which honestly seems like a weird choice for a Bard).

You're still not understanding what the problem was. It was a lore thing. Not your character having to be a certain thing. The only race that can't be a mage is dwarves.

They were never accepted. You assumed they were, but they never were, because they never got back to me on the tweaks to the bio.

I'm fairly certain your standard bard IS focused on playing magic music. And again, I always said you could fight and have a weapon. For the entire time you were planning on being a bard. It's just not what you would be focused on, because everyone should at least be doing sufficiently different things in the RP. I just thought a crossbow was a bit inappropriate.

... Anyway, I'm going to try and wait until everyone's introduced themselves in the RP before making an update, though it depends on how much time that takes too. ^^; Still, I'd like for everyone to have a post up first.

If there's no new introductions by tomorrow, I'll post an IC update. I'm certain it won't take us too far for people who haven't been able to post yet.

... Sorry for the double post, I just think this will be a lot more noticeable in a new post then at the bottom of a fairly long one.

Edit: Admittedly I'm kind of itching to post more, but it's only fair to wait a bit to make sure that no-one else is planning to post before my next update.

Anyway, anyone have dungeon ideas while we wait?

@VitaVitaAR I guess that can be assumed to mean anything that isn't a race, therefore probably is a monster...It wouldn't work on harpies, or sapient undead, since they are races in this world, not monsters. But vampires or actual non-races, yeah it would work...

It's -literally- a real skill that a bard has...I didn't make a single one of those up on the top of my head.

So what if I was happy about being a warrior race and yet become a bard it would magically work? Your right I don't get it...

Got it, but I've been sort of lacking information on multiple occasions. I can look past this point.

But why would a handaxe, or a sword make any more sense in context? They aren't easier to use and make less sense for someone not a frontline warrior to use. But not the main point I suppose. I respected your decision, which is why I got rid of it. Also I became a bard, because I didn't want to have be told I was repeated classes. There was already a warrior class, you can't tell me, that would of been fine, but not another rogue. And yes...Bard use magic, usually done through music. But that can easily be offensive and many other things. But even then, I was constantly told no, for many things, for many reasons, and I thought the point of classes weren't supposed to make people forced into a box but a general idea of their capabilities.

I just feel like this was dragged out for many not very good, or at least well explained reasons. I have a feeling this isn't going to go well. I think I might just delete my character and step out of this RP. Because it does seem a little ridiculous how certain events have unfolded.

I hope that if you create another RP, no hard feelings are had. And hope you all have fun. <3

I feel like you still haven't understood what I've been saying, but if you feel like you have to leave, that's your choice.

Crud... ill have to join late, im very very very sick today. (As in i wanna sleep and binge watch youtube)

Hmm, alright.

Also, will definitely be doing my update to the IC tomorrow. I'm willing to help anyone who hasn't managed to introduce their character, so please ask.

Once again, incendiaries prove to be the most useful tool at our disposal.

We must add more.

Unfortunately, no-one signed up with someone whose only equipment is thousands of torches.

Also, once we get a full cycle of posting I'll make my next update.

I like Vendrael's hesitance in confirming that the 10'2 girl is half-giant.

So, while we're waiting for everyone to get their next posts up, any dungeon ideas?

I have a few but I'd like some between mine. ^^;

I've got an idea but it needs fleshing out