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But self geis isn't the same thing as normal geass, you are surrendering your own free will and binding the terms of the contract to your magic crest. This is knowledge that any magus with a crest should have, that's why I wanted about magical crests waaay before.


Self-Geis Scroll – one of the most merciless contract magecrafts that would only be used in the treacherous society of magi when a contract that absolutely cannot be disobeyed was to be made.

It is an enforced curse that forcibly uses the functions of one’s own Magic Crests upon oneself. Theoretically, it has a power that cannot be erased by any method. Even if the caster lost his life, the Magic Crests would bind the soul of the dead man and would not pass down the generations. It is a very dangerous magecraft. For magi, a parley that involves offering such a declaration would in fact mean a maximal concession.

Although it wasn’t something Kayneth often saw, it was indeed proper in the way it was written, with no loopholes.


It's a curse that binds through the Crest. By that same logic, everyone with Circuits should know Spiritual Surgery, but that isn't the case either.

If it is a curse, and you do not know the curse, you cannot use the curse. It's really that simple.

The whole point of doing a higher generation magus is to have some flexibly because of a crest loaded with centuries worth of magecraft lore. If this isn't possible, I don't see a point of doing a character like Seyrun at all. I remember very well when I asked @Unoedipal about this.


I don't see what your argument is. I don't know how much clearer I could have been in the character sheet when I stated that everything from individual spells to High-Speed Aria to Magic Crest characteristics should go in there, and that if it's not in there then you don't know how to do it.

The onus is on you to put a spell in there if you want a spell to be in there. That's really all there is to it. I explained rather clearly that if a spell isn't there, it isn't known. Curses are spells. The curse you want to use isn't there. You could have put it there but did not. Ergo, you can't use the curse you want to use.

I'm sorry but yeah, if you misunderstood the description for the magecraft section then I really don't know what to tell you.
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This is making your day, eh Un?
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I had placed it on her CS, you was the one who made me drop it saying that it was too much knowledge even though it was stated that most of that was part of her Crest. I paid attention to your descriptions, but the answer I got about Magic Crests was very misdirecting: http://www.roleplayerguild.com/posts/3468307

You was misdirecting at first, then I placed the individual spells (because you asked for more descritption) I would like Seyrun to know via Crest or study, then you said I had too much despite she being from an old lineage that was and does know much more, but these are the ones I'd like to use.

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I bolded systems because you can put down systems and you're not required to put down individual spells. If you had to put down individual spells then it would be ridiculous for anyone. Even the guy who only knows Reinforcement, since Reinforcement is technically a collection of infinite spells.

If you want like, a list of general magecraft that anyone who paid attention in Clocktower class should know, I can send you one.


I don't get it, what's your point?
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I had placed it on her CS, you was the one who made me drop it saying that it was too much knowledge even though it was stated that most of that was part of her Crest.


Please don't strawman me.

Knowledge of Northern Europe curses and witchcraft, including the Gandr curse (her Finn Shot is about as powerful as Rin's) and how to place Geis over a target;


This was what you had on the original CS. You also had it among about six other Magic Foundations, General Magecraft, her Origin magecraft, and five elemental Magic Foundations. I explained that a family won't "specialize" in that many different foundations, and they usually focus on two or three key things and do those things really well, plus a smattering of general individual spells.

If you had an objection to removing curses or wanted to keep a specific curse, you should have voiced that. Again, the onus was all on you to put something in the section if you wanted to keep it. I don't get how you thought that stayed there when it was taken out by your choice.

It also doesn't help that you're lying to me.

all she needs is her contract making material to a Self-Geis scroll.


The original CS only explicitly called out a Geis, not a Self-Geis Scroll. They're completely different, as I hope you know since you even said as much on the previous page. And before you say "I just said it included Gandr and Geis, it also included the scroll", if you had insisted on keeping that section in, I would've mandated much more clarity on it, the first step of which was when I asked:

What do Northern European curses focus on? IE physical degradation, mental degradation, etc.


And even if you refuse to acknowledge all of that, it doesn't change the fact that the Magecraft section's description explicitly calls out that everything should go there and if it's not there, you don't have it. Even if you hate Seyrun's current CS, you're the one who wrote it and apped it. The burden of making the character falls on the person who made the character. If you added "Creation of Self-Geis scroll" as something she knows because she spent a few months studying how to do it, then that would have been fine, but you didn't.

Do not blame me for your decisions. All I did was say that you had too much breadth, I didn't tell you explicitly what you could and could not put in. All of those decisions were made by you.
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Ok, who said I hate her current CS? I said you were misleading on your explanations and this you were and that you nag about things that do little to no sense (like, huh... pitting average real world persons knowledge of things against what their characters should at least have a chance of figuring by themselves), which you do as well. I didn't even asked to change her, by the way, just point that you set me on a path that made no sense, even after the whole encyclopedic research I had to do to fit her to the tiniest bit of lore.

The whole point of the curse was for my own enjoyment, I'll just have to change the post I planned without it now. Anyway, I don't care anymore, I'll just do it without the most interesting part.
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Nah, the thing is that you don't know how Crests work but think you do. I even used examples of Kayneth and Zouken to try and explain how these things work. If you felt there wasn't clarity, you should ask for clarifications. Otherwise, I have no reason to assume I'm being misleading.

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Sure, okay.

Anyway yeah, if you're not continuing to object then have fun~
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*sets down bucket of popcorn* Darn, I was hoping for more blood sport over here.
Ahem, I think it's best that we hold fast to the idea the GM is not going to do us many favors going forwards, as it is only fair he is equally uninvolved in aiding our characters. He's the GM, and he has made it evident that he enjoys watching us flounder to a degree.

Still doesn't mean he isn't channeling WAY too much Zelretch in his demeanor. *goes back to his popcorn*

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Does... does this mean the GM doesn't love me if he doesn't bicker with me? ;w;
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Yes, you are the unloved son who wanted to go off and be a clown. Father Un has cut you out of the family photos already
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I've heard from the GM this this thread is actually cancelled, as of April 1st 2016. They say they're sorry to have wasted all of your time.

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Darn, well at least Wes, Seyrun, and Tamamo have their secret ero thread to fall back on. So long folks~
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I've heard from the GM this this thread is actually cancelled, as of April 1st 2016. They say they're sorry to have wasted all of your time.


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Ah, see how he tries to avoid the issue? Turbo's shame at being the sub to KoL's dom is great.
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Darn, well at least Wes, Seyrun, and Tamamo have their secret ero thread to fall back on. So long folks~


Is there such a thing? Hmm... you shouldn't give me ideas, you know, I might take them seriously.

Ah, see how he tries to avoid the issue? Turbo's shame at being the sub to KoL's dom is great.


Hah! You don't know half about how much you may be right. Have you ever wondered why Seyrun's Mystic Codes are chains or the fact that she may have a snake fetish?

Actually, in a couple hours my post will be up and Wes will find that the terms he imposed on Seyrun are a double edged knife. Seyrun week be a very... unique ally of him.
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Well on a day like today, who knows what to take serious? Maybe I am, Maybe I'm not, and maybe the one who wanted to RP as Tamamo-No-Mae is testing the water~

I'll never say, though interest abounds :3
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Stalking a certain darling. Any Servant slots still open? I love Fate Rps.
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Sorry dear, thought if you want you can make a non-aligned Magus and wait for a Servant to lose their Master.

Or find a reason for why a Servant can be summoned outside of the Grail System. Good luck with that one.
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