Also, sorry to double post, but this to clear up that whole debacle which happened a day or so ago now.
@Zobozun I apologize for having offended you with my thinking you were trolling. I suppose trolling is thought of as far more negative to others than it is me. I sometimes forget that.
Regardless, I meant no offense and was simply trying to see whether you were serious or not about the character you'd made since it was so outlandish in comparison to the many many characters I've seen in my 6 or so years of Bleach RPing. I could have said it in a different way, but I didn't so here we are.
I hadn't read Zobuzun's CS en full, as I stated in my previous post so my apologies for lacking knowledge on that bit. Although, it does strike me as odd that things are set up in such a way that Mother Mary, aka Zobozun basically has to give permission to a player to make the Vice Chief for the kido corps due to his character's history.
You don't need my permission. You just needed to acknowledge that my guy exists and explain what happened instead of copypasting your old sheet with basically no changes and expecting people to go out of their way to accomodate you when your character was posted after mine. Just write out a backstory. For example, maybe your character was an up-and-comer some 90 years ago and was chosen over the person Mary recommended. Maybe the torch was passed to your character after an exceptionally short term due to the previous vice-chief having some form of terminal illness. Maybe the upper ranks were thinned out sealing some big Hollow. Just have your character exist outside of a vacuum. This isn't all that hard.
On the other thing, I accept your apology and I only ask that you be more careful with your choice of words in the future so this doesn't happen again.
@Zobozun Alright. Now that that is out of the way. I'd like you to do me a favor just like I'm going to take your advice and be more careful with my words.
Please don't assume things about me. You know, like assuming I expect people to accomodate me or my characters in any way, shape, or form. That is seriously an honest request that I am attempting to say without any sort of negative tone or the like. Don't know if that will succeed, but we'll see I guess ^^;
I'm fully willing to edit that part of his history. Hell, I'll even make him a bit older than he originally was in Silent Legacy--since you felt it was necessary to bring that up. By the way, I edited the sheet somewhat between then and now, so it wasn't entirely copy-pasting, but *shrugs* I suppose it doesn't matter.
Hell, I'd be willing to work together with both the kido corp captain and whoever wanted to contribute, to enrich the short part of his history currently devoted to his rising to the Vice Chief position. I'd enjoy it.
@Axel An intellectual discussion of characters can serve to improve both those involved and those who witness it. This site seems to always expect the worst outcome from a discussion where two parties disagree. I have one question:
Why? [/quote] History, simple as that.
@Axel Nothing good can come from shying away from chances for growth. Discussion and the exchange of ideas is the easiest way to grow intellectually. If discourse is discouraged, the only outcome is stagnation. I've seen faaaaaaaaaar too many games die out simply because nobody could bear to say something that another disagreed with, which led to everyone internalizing their disagreements and eventually just leaving because the joy of the game was gone.
Yes and nothing bad can happen as well. Also all experiences are different so just because something happened to you doesn't mean it will happen to everyone else. I've seen faaaaaar too many games prosper because of the very reasons you said your games die out and I've also seen some crash and burn because of what you desire to happen had happened. Regardless, you do make some solid points and as such, I respect them. On the flip note however, I cannot say I agree with the proposal poses since it carries a larger risk than the alternative.
@Ganryu@Celaira I don't see a personal attack here. What I see is a serious discussion, and a group of unrelated people blowing it out of proportion in order to save their silly conversation space. I could just as easily ask the silly one-line-that-doesn't-really-contribute-anything-to-the-discussion posters to keep those to PMs and have just as much, if not more, grounds for the request.
@Axel Telling people to carry out discussions privately essentially tells them their discussion isn't wanted. It does more damage than you'd expect, as there's an implied "your discussion isn't important enough to hold where everyone can see it" message, and even if those involved don't realize it, the message gets across. In this case it's especially bad, as now a co-GM is telling players that a discussion that SHOULD be important to the GMs should not be handled in a place visible to the GMs.
Unless you can read minds, you'd probably want to refrain from saying such things as each person's way of thinking is completely different from yours or mine. Another thing, you should pay more attention to what I wrote before responding to them since I clearly told both parties to include either me or one of the other gms as well in order to resolve it. Lastly, a big portion of your response is mostly based on how you perceive people to think rather than how they actually do so it really made it pointless for me to respond to it when you have no real evidence to support it. For all I know, what you're saying about people interpreting things a certain way could be correct but without bringing nothing to back it up, you're just as believable as the next person. With that said, I hope my response was adequate enough and even though you could perceive this as anything you want sumthin sumthin(xD), I hope you attain something constructive from this response. :)
For anyone who's curious, since it did start the whole shebang, I am currently editing Majime--though I am still waiting on the GMs to get around to reviewing him (this is not me rushing them, just me stating he hasn't been reviewed yet).
I figure that I already know some of the things that I could nerf, or at least explain better.
@Zobozun@Phobos, since you two are the former Vice Chief and the Kido Commander/Chief respectively, I'd love to have a chat on the circumstances of his gaining the position of Vice Chief. Additionally @Tarquin since your character is the head of Squad five, which he was a part of for a time, would you like to help me figure out if there is any history between him and your captain?
As a note, I'm probably going to go and read the characters at some point either today or tomorrow so that I have a full spectrum of who has what and who is what sort of person. Typically I do that before expressing interest or before making a character, but I didn't this time because when I joined this I was busy with work (as I will be this week after Thursday).
P.S. I asked @Hantu Kongkek if he minded my character remembering very vague bits of his history in the skype chat and he said he did not at all mind. I'm tagging him so that if someone thinks I'm lying, he can confirm that I am in fact not.
Also, to avoid this same problem of, as Zobozun put it, "Creating a character in a void," (which while I partially disagree, I understand the sentiment and will thus move forwards in the following manner), I am going to post an excerpt from my 7th division captain's CS so that anyone who might be interested in being a part of her history or having an established relationship (be it a rival, hated individual, friend, romantic interest, or otherwise) may get a sample of her and thus approach me.
Just tag me if you're interested in the above bit regarding my captain. As to the excerpt...BAM!
Name: Yōki(Keeper), Kōunora(Rainfall on fields). Alias: Swan-song; more pending.... Nicknames: Nora; more pending.... Gender: Female. Age Appearance: 26. Race: Plus-->Shinigami. Rank & Division: Veteran Captain of the 7th Division.
Additional Appearance Information: An elegance about her every movement, Kōunora wears her shihakusho and haori with pride, having modified the latter not at all. However, her Shihakusho possesses less folds, and instead hugs her figure more closely, resembling the garb of the second division captain in its way. More often than not, Kōunora wears her striking silver hair tied into a long pony tail largely keeping it out of the way during her daily duties and should she need to engage in combat. The woman's elegant form stands at 5'3 and weighs roughly 128 lbs.
Personality: Kōunora is a compassionate woman with an effortless elegance to her actions and an air of wisdom. Caring deeply for those taken under her wing, the women protects them just as fiercely as she teaches and cultivates them. A worldly woman, Kōunora is not one to shy away from any task, no matter how mundane it may seem or how others might look at her as a result. She cares little of the opinions of others, thus revealing her own assurance of self. While she does her utmost to temper this confidence, it can sometimes get away from her where it can become arrogance for a time. Yet, while Kōunora may appear totally sure of herself to others, internally she is somewhat more plagued by the troubles of the common folk; namely indecision and a sense of being empty or lost.
In essence, Kōunora is a woman in transition, attempting to fully embrace the creative spark within her so that it may become a roaring flame. However, for now that flame is but embers and her hidden passion and creativity remain largely untapped. As a result of this she appears pragmatic and strict to many, perhaps even overbearing at times, though most who know her have come to understand that oftentimes she is this way only because she cares.
However, it is perhaps her loyal and caring nature that makes her so feared by her enemies as any harm done to those she cares for is seen as a terrible harm done to her. As such, when those around her are hurt, she will, in whatever way she can, seek retribution. So overzealous are the punishments she has doled out in the past, that few dare to cross her or hers—most doing their best to show due respect for the captain, her friends, and her entire division for she is not a woman whose pride one mars without consequence.
“You really shouldn't have struck one of mine,” she said, voice filled with assurance, her body language tense. While her blade may have not been drawn, the look in her eyes, and the pulsating aura that surrounded her was threat enough to more than compensate. On the ground behind where she stood lay the motionless form of a seated officer, one of hers. Her hand moved to her blade as the arrancar smiled in response to her anger.
The being closed the distance, meaning to strike her, but too late he noticed her other hand grasping a cube of white reishi. “Chōten seigen,” said the captain as her palm opened upwards, releasing the cube into the air before her, where it unfolded, thus revealing a smaller black sphere. Immediately upon its unveiling, the sphere shot outwards expanding around her. The arrancar retreated, but not before it touched him. As his sonido ended he found ribbons of black reiryoku where his finger and toe had touched the sphere.
He looked up, but found the orb of energy impenetrable to his senses. It only last a moment, suddenly cracking and then shattering to reveal Kōunora's glittering form, the air about her shimmering with silver light, a light which seemed to refract off of thin air. Her blade was drawn at her right side and it shone with a subtle gold, as if a muted light had been trapped within it.
Eyes locked with his, Kōunora pushed forwards into a shunpo and at the same moment two tiny shockwaves blossomed from beneath her feet. In that instant she vanished, reappearing two feet from the arrancar who, in response, stabbed his blade at her torso. She spun to the right, dancing around his strike, blade reversing grip, before it plunged at an angle, behind her back, and into the hollow's side.
Immediately the arrancar howled in agony before he was sent flying as a powerful wave of kinetic energy washed over him, sending him into the wall of a building, which formed a crater as a result.
He had no time to recover as he saw her lightly jab her blade into the air five times, tiny blades of silver light pinning him to the wall as she did so. Her red eyes gleaming, the captain crossed the distance in an instant, placing the tip of her blade before the throat of the arrancar as she did so. “Have you any last words, hollow?”
“I hope my fello--...” he began, before the blade sliding slowly into his neck interrupted his words. In moments he was unable to breath, and after long minutes of gagging on his own blood, his convulsions ceased and the light left his eyes. There was no empathy or remorse in the actions, not a single shred of a compassion in her fierce crimson eyes.
Pulling her blade from the hollow's corpse as it began to dissolve, the captain watched the process till the last shred of reishi dispersed into the air, and only after did she flick the blood from her glowing blade and sheath it.
“Enlighten, Tenshi!” Sung out Kairi, the 20th seat of Kōunora's division. Smiling lightly at the glimmering blade, the captain slid one foot back and turned so her left shoulder faced her sparring partner—or rather, her trainee. “Keep your eyes open. Use your peripheral vision and trust your instincts. Strike first,” she advised, and so Kairi crossed the distance and slashed at Kōunora's abdomen, as if to disembowel. However, the captain took a single step back, arm rising reiatsu wreathing her gloved hands, to push the blade aside. In the moment that the swing passed her, she stepped forwards and nearly drove her palm into Kairi's collarbone.
She stopped half an inch short leaving Kairi to stare up at her, eyes wide. Kōunora smiled emphatically, “You can't let fear take over. Fear is the mind killer. You will freeze in place as you just did when you ought to retreat or counter.”
She dropped her hand and took a step back, “Again.” With the word Kairi struck out, blade stabbing forth. Kōunora turned, letting the blade slide past her. Her chest facing the blade, shoulder pointed towards Kairi, she met the shinigami's eyes and thrust her palm forwards towards her head. This time Kairi responded, jumping back, bringing her sword arm close, before slashing upwards at the captain's outstretched arm.
Kōunora smiled, shifted her hand's position even as she did her body's, before pushing off the ground and running right under the swing as the blade's alignment passed above shoulder height. She closed in, whirling for a spinkick, but Kairi swiveled backwards on her heel, barely spinning out of the way even as she slashed at Kōunora. The captain ducked under the strike and retreated several steps following the maneuver. The eyes of the two met again and Kōunora's smile was still present. “Now start actually using your zanpakuto, Kairi. I know you can do better.”
Smirking, Kairi drew a circle in the air and then dashed forwards through it. Her body became wreathed in golden light and her speed increased dramatically. Kōunora grinned and danced out of the way of several consecutive thrusts of the girl's blade. On the last one of the series she let her fingers encircle the blade and pull, offsetting her opponent's balance even as she drew her own blade for a slash with her free hand. Kairi's eyes narrowed after a brief half second of surprise, and a pulse of light released her blade, allowing her to jump from the path of the captain's blade.
“Now let's see how well you defend,” Kōunora said with a smile before she closed her eyes, body sideways, blade pointed behind her, arm in alignment with her left shoulder. Whispered were words that even Kairi, being so close, could not hear, and then the captain's eyes opened once more. “...Tsubame ken-kyō(Swallow’s Speculum),” she stated even as a flash of golden light overtook her blade, fading to a silver light that spread about her form.
Kairi shifted her stance, swallowing hard as she eyed the captain's now released zanpakuto. “Are you ready,” Kōunora asked her. Kairi nodded, and so it was that Kōunora advanced. Dashing forwards, she suddenly turned, approaching at an angle so she passed Kairi, at which point she swung at her side. Kairi adjusted and blocked the strike, though Kōunora had already begun the next, pushing herself sideways and away, before she stabbed past Kairi's blade and at her neck. The girl lifted her blade diagonally, pushing the captain's away from her just in time. She dodged backwards and to the side, and Kōunora followed, stabbing once more.
However, her strike missed, passing over the girl's shoulder before the captain withdrew so that Kairi could not retaliate.
....
The espada was a barely perceptible flash and as she had found, its attacks, whether physical or energetic, were devastatingly strong. Unwilling to sustain further damage, she waited, and then the hollow struck. Three massive cero, all at once, from three angles, one in front of her, wide enough to stop her from dodging up or down, whereas the other two were in front of her and to either side, closer than the one in the middle. She could go back, but the three would likely join into something even less manageable. A worried frown knit her brow as she let her foot slip back, bracing her, even as she reversed the grip of her blade, letting her right arm follow her foot's movement, held diagonally in the air behind her, blade perpendicular to the arm. She took in a deep breath, deciding her course of action, though she hated that the pitiful being had driven her to such lengths, she announced her technique.
“Kussetsu keiro(屈折径路 'Refraction path').”
Immediately, the intensity of the silver light rose before a great hollow column of silver reiryoku formed, behind the sword, its length difficult to pinpoint as both its openings faded into the air, as if it continued even where it could not be seen. Then, taking action she stepped forwards and began her swing. Her blade arced forth, the curved column following suit, to meet the first of three cero head on. However, it did not block it, but instead pulled it into its hollow and as she spun the same happened to each cero before she completed her spin, back turned to the remainder of the slower, more massive attack barreling towards her.
Her stance shifted and so did her grip, as she turned and thrust her blade at the massive cero. What followed was a flash of red reiryoku, made resplendent as it shone a dazzling silver at the edges, piercing through the center of the larger blast. However, the column that had pulled the cero in had not left it, instead extending its length through the entire blast before holes opened up along its sides, releasing the red energy of the cero it contained to further disperse the attack.
She felt, even before she heard, the arrancar use sonido to occupy the space behind her, but to its surprise she had already began to move, grip reversing, blade brought forth, its pommel slamming into the hollow's stomach. Her expression serious, even grim, as the arrancar looked upon her face, before the last words he'd ever hear were uttered.
“Sai Soukatsui,” she stated, a red light binding him for but a moment before a massive blast of blue energy erupted from the pommel of her blade, turning his body to nothing 'cept ash and reishi. Behind her the column had shrunk and the energy of the three cero had dissipated as if they had never existed at all.
Also don't use those combat excerpts as an entirely accurate measure of power, reason being while they are accurate to her fighting, one or two of them might make it appear like she--or more specifically, her zanpakuto--is stronger than it actually is, when in fact something might have considerable limitations (which at least two of its techniques do). So yeah. That.
