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Oh, I must have misread. In that case, it would make sense for Birdie to interact with the two of them in some respect. Are they just standing in front of the moat, or are they off to the side where Birdie might not see them?


They're standing in front of the moat. Red and Mr. Nobody are trying to ignore him.
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@Lugubrious I'm not opposed to you guys getting inside while the drawbridge is still up but you would have to use abilities that would be unavailable to a OoT Link player as this game would be designed so that he could only get in while the bridge is open. The whole thing with the chain would be theoretically possible for Link to pull off with the hookshot so...
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@Lugubrious I'm not opposed to you guys getting inside while the drawbridge is still up but you would have to use abilities that would be unavailable to a OoT Link player as this game would be designed so that he could only get in while the bridge is open. The whole thing with the chain would be theoretically possible for Link to pull off with the hookshot so...


Link's tiny compared to Birdie, with minimal upper body strength. The hookshot can only latch onto predetermined hookshot spots, whereas Birdie's chains can wrap themselves securely around whatever targets Birdie throws them at. I'd say this isn't something Link can do in the game.
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Link's tiny compared to Birdie, with minimal upper body strength. The hookshot can only latch onto predetermined hookshot spots, whereas Birdie's chains can wrap themselves securely around whatever targets Birdie throws them at. I'd say this isn't something Link can do in the game.


Do you have any idea how heavy a sword of this:

size would be? I've taken sword fighting lessons and I had trouble holding a sword half that size in the same position that he does for more than a few minutes. Not to mention his ability to climb mountains and swim with that monstrous weight on his back. And that's just the sword not to mention his other equipment. Proportionally speaking Link would be a lot stronger than birdie and even taking size into account their strength is very likely about equal.

While you can't hookshot anything in the original game the hookshot is basically a chain and in a real world environment could be stretched out to use as a grappling hook or weapon.

However this really isn't all that important as you'd eventually get into the castle town one way or another. Though you might want to edit in something about seeing Bayonetta and Red as they are standing in front of the drawbridge so if Birdie was trying to pull it open with his chain he couldn't have been more than a few feet from them.

@ProPro Never played Borderlands, is teleportation a relatively common occurrence there?
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@Prince of Seraphs Bringing realism into obvious fantasy where the realistic laws of physics do not apply.



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@Prince of Seraphs Oh yeah, big time. One of the main characters is a siren with the "phasewalk" ability that in essence is a form of violent teleportation, generating an elemental shockwave at point of origin and point of destination. Then there's the fast travel stations, which are canonical and not just a "game mechanic," unlike the "New-U" stations (respawn points).
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@Prince of Seraphs Oh yeah, big time. One of the main characters is a siren with the "phasewalk" ability that in essence is a form of violent teleportation, generating an elemental shockwave at point of origin and point of destination. Then there's the fast travel stations, which are canonical and not just a "game mechanic," unlike the "New-U" stations (respawn points).


Okay good to know. Terra just warped to prove her point about magic and Gaige didn't react or even seem to notice so I thought I'd ask.
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I had thought about making mention of, "Oh, you have the same siren power as Lilith!" but then decided, naw, she wouldn't draw too much attention to it.
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I had thought about making mention of, "Oh, you have the same siren power as Lilith!" but then decided, naw, she wouldn't draw too much attention to it.


Out of curiosity what would it take for Gaige to believe that Terra had actual magic?
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I'm not totally certain, honestly. She's personal friends with 2 sirens and knows 1 more, all of whom have powers that alter reality in some way that appears to be magic for all intents and purposes, but is sufficiently advanced alien science that affects the women's biology. Not to mention this is over 40k years in the future when you can literally shoot fire/lightning/acid from guns, have energy shields that can absorb enemy bullets to add to your own magazines, hit back at melee enemies, and more, not to mention the entire science behind "digistructing" objects and teleportation stations and of course the eldritch abominations contained in pocket dimensions behind the Vaults... Yeah, she's probably likely to find some manner of scientific explanation for just about anything she sees, or at the very least believe that it has a scientific explanation even if she can't figure it out. :P
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I'm not totally certain, honestly. She's personal friends with 2 sirens and knows 1 more, all of whom have powers that alter reality in some way that appears to be magic for all intents and purposes, but is sufficiently advanced alien science that affects the women's biology. Not to mention this is over 40k years in the future when you can literally shoot fire/lightning/acid from guns, have energy shields that can absorb enemy bullets to add to your own magazines, hit back at melee enemies, and more, not to mention the entire science behind "digistructing" objects and teleportation stations and of course the eldritch abominations contained in pocket dimensions behind the Vaults... Yeah, she's probably likely to find some manner of scientific explanation for just about anything she sees, or at the very least believe that it has a scientific explanation even if she can't figure it out. :P


*Takes her to see the...* I was trying to be clever there but can't seem to think of anything that couldn't be explained by the line "any sufficiently advanced technology will present itself as magic". Golden Sun event, The Warring Triad, Paper Mario 2's Shadow Queen.

Oh how about The Fey Spirit Channeling abilities from Phoenix Wright?
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*Takes her to see the...* I was trying to be clever there but can't seem to think of anything that couldn't be explained by the line "any sufficiently advanced technology will present itself as magic". Golden Sun event, The Warring Triad, Paper Mario 2's Shadow Queen.

Oh how about The Fey Spirit Channeling abilities from Phoenix Wright?


"I'm fascinated to know how you can project a hard light hologram over yourself with such great accuracy, since theoretically this shouldn't alter how you physically interact with your environment with your own physical limbs. There's a notable discrepancy in the height, body build, and arm length of yourself and the individual you've chosen to project over your form. Oh, is this a fast acting DNA biological revision formula? How does it function? Machine? Bacteria? Virus?"
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"I'm fascinated to know how you can project a hard light hologram over yourself with such great accuracy, since theoretically this shouldn't alter how you physically interact with your environment with your own physical limbs. There's a notable discrepancy in the height, body build, and arm length of yourself and the individual you've chosen to project over your form. Oh, is this a fast acting DNA biological revision formula? How does it function? Machine? Bacteria? Virus?"


Master's sword's Beam Attack?
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Master's sword's Beam Attack?


She experienced a gun that shoots swords, which then explode... Into three more swords.A sword that shoots energy is nothing compared to that. XD

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I've played Borderlands before, can confirm that crazy shit happens in there.
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She experienced a gun that shoots swords, which then explode... Into three more swords.A sword that shoots energy is nothing compared to that. XD



Terra's ability to look like this:

For short periods of time?
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Terra's ability to look like this:

For short periods of time?


Clearly a powerful siren with previously unrecorded abilities that's got high concentrations of eridium ore powering her.
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Do you have any idea how heavy a sword of this:

size would be? I've taken sword fighting lessons and I had trouble holding a sword half that size in the same position that he does for more than a few minutes. Not to mention his ability to climb mountains and swim with that monstrous weight on his back. And that's just the sword not to mention his other equipment. Proportionally speaking Link would be a lot stronger than birdie and even taking size into account their strength is very likely about equal.

While you can't hookshot anything in the original game the hookshot is basically a chain and in a real world environment could be stretched out to use as a grappling hook or weapon.

However this really isn't all that important as you'd eventually get into the castle town one way or another. Though you might want to edit in something about seeing Bayonetta and Red as they are standing in front of the drawbridge so if Birdie was trying to pull it open with his chain he couldn't have been more than a few feet from them.

@ProPro Never played Borderlands, is teleportation a relatively common occurrence there?


I might have had an idea if I had any sort of familiarity whatsoever with Ocarina of Time, but I don't, so I must confess that I don't have any idea. The bottom line is that since from a logical perspective Birdie should interact with the others instead of going directly into the town by whatever method, I should just remove the whose section, save it for later, and have him chat.
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I might have had an idea if I had any sort of familiarity whatsoever with Ocarina of Time, but I don't, so I must confess that I don't have any idea.


You realize that by admitting this you've basically signed your own death warrant as hundreds of thousands of nerds the world over shall rain down on you like a thunderstorm, right? D:
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