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Is it finished? Because if so, I’m not sure why your jutsu list isn’t completed or skillset isn’t detailed?
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Is it finished? Because if so, I’m not sure why your jutsu list isn’t completed or skillset isn’t detailed?


Mainly because he only knows the academy techniques... and that's it. Unless you want me to compile a complete list of every singly move you have use with a bo staff.... which is not something I'd enjoy doing. There's no special skills he's got anyways in bo staff fighting. He wont learn those until he's older. So I didn't think them of any consequence.
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So what you are telling me is you are okay with having no techniques outside of those learned at the academy? This is of course fine, but I just need confirmation therein.
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Yeah. Does that mean I'm out? Lol.
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Yeah. Does that mean I'm out? Lol.

No, if a player wants to make a character that is more or less genin-rank Sakura without her Chakra Control (or Intellect) that is completely acceptable. I just have to make sure that is what you want to do!

Ryo will handle your review, and I'll add any notes to it after the fact.
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Alright, quick and dirty review time (frankly, I don't have too many non-nitpicky complaints, and the one legit grievance has already been addressed)

  • There's something hilarious about stating that the Fujioji aren't a huge clan, then having an absolutely massive family relations section.
  • Minor note about Fujioji coming of age stuff: Sure, the whole "test your skill against your parents" thing is all well and good. But, and maybe this is just me, the whole casting out bit strikes me as a bit odd. From my view, it seems as if it's supposed to be some sort of punishment, but then it seems to circle back around into being an alternate way of "advancing, if you will, in the clan. Hell, I'dd almost be inclined to think the whole pseudo Vision Quest deal would be the default rite of passage. All that being said, traditions in ninja clans are weird, so this isn't even all that bad.
  • Another genin with a family who expects way too much out of him. Nakazono's gonna fit right in with all the other balls of parental baggage.
  • Referring to Aunt Sanako in the past tense strikes me as strange, since it would imply to me that she's dead. Again, nitpicking on my part, but I figured it should be pointed out since she's, well, not dead.
  • About the only problem I have with his personal history is the idea that his affected laziness and fear of failure would prevent him from making friends. In fact, one would think that making friends within his peer group would be the best remedy to his particular situation. Aunt Sanako can't be there to offer words of encouragement all the time, right?


Other than that, it's just some grammatical stuff that it'd be nice if you kept mind of when posting IC. If @Sloth or @Gowi want to weigh in on anything extra, that'd be fine and dandy too. You've basically got a Yes from me.
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◈ I pretty much agree with Ryo’s assessment, but I do have my own points as I will detail in subsequent bullets.
◈ I fixed minor formatting bits, because I do that.
◈ You seem to contradict yourself when describing Nakazono’s appearance; he’s “average height and weight” yet “isn’t small”. It’s a minor nitpick, but consistency helps in the character creation process.
◈ Whilst I agree with Ryo here (and personally find a whole clan of traps odd, but anime, so it’s whatever), I can appreciate the extensive amount of work put into your clan history; such lengths I don’t know if I would even go to. Going back to Ryo’s comment however, I do think some adjustments to your rites should be done but for the most part I think it’s just me being pedantic in my review. But then again you did want an extensive review.
“Even Moroari could fail to teach you how not to trip over nothing.” — This particular mention made me laugh, good statement of his inadequacies and familial relations.
◈ You have succeeded about making a small less noteworthy clan of traps seem large and relevant through the extensive description of Nakazono’s immediate and extended family. I think it could be formatted a bit better with spacing and the fat trimmed, but I’m also of the belief that no information is irrelevant information so I’m compelled to find a way to work this in on the GM front.
◈ On that front, I’d also like to see some mentions of the academy students who obviously were present— Fukushu, Tensai, Mikoto, Mitsuko. Understand his perspective on his peers would be great.
◈ I feel like despite Nakazono being remarkably unremarkable you could describe and detail his skillset with a bit more detail.
◈ Despite us going over his lack of noteworthy techniques— I feel like you could mention any techniques unique to him in the Bukijutsu department, specifically in bojutsu. If you intend to really center yourself around the Fujioji’s mastery in this weapon art I feel like we should not only more detail about it but you should at least have some basic techniques (ala custom jutsu) made?
◈ Once you have considered and adapted this, I think I could accept you with little issue.

Perhaps @Sloth has notes as well.

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There's something hilarious about stating that the Fujioji aren't a huge clan, then having an absolutely massive family relations section.

◈ You have succeeded about making a small less noteworthy clan of traps seem large and relevant through the extensive description of Nakazono’s immediate and extended family.

I'm quite frankly stumped on how you both came to the conclusion his clan is large. I listed about 20 people in his immediate family. If you'd take out those who are dead there're 16. Since the are three families in the Fujioji clan we can assume their numbers would be about the same which brings the number to ~ 60 if we wanted some wiggle room. Maybe 100 if you really wanted more.

That's a pretty small clan especially compared to some clans like the Uchihas. Who probably number twice that. Maybe even three times especially if you're counting those without the bloodline (those who married in, etc).

In a town as large as Konohagakure they probably wouldn't even make up 1% of the population. Keep in mind it takes about 160 people to maintain a stable population without breeding in generic birth defects. The number can be fewer if you don't care about the purity of your bloodline and intermix with other clans.

And as for them being important.... I'm not sure how I might have given you that idea because they have no real standing in policy making or any decisions outside of their own clan. I might have to add in that they're more solitary as a clan, they like to keep to themselves. Sure, they're important to themselves but isn't every family?

Anyways. I'll get started on the edits you guys want.
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@Sergeant I don't speak for @Gowi (though I reckon he probably is of the same mind here), but the comments on the clan size were basically just light ribbing. More or less a comment on the fact that the family tree you've outlined is bigger than most people would be bothered to put to page. That's not a bad thing by any means, though.

This was a rambly way of saying: Lighten up juuuust a smidge.
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@Gowi@RyoRyoRyoken@SlothOkay, here's my second go-round of this sheet. Is it any better?

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@Sergeant I don't speak for @Gowi (though I reckon he probably is of the same mind here), but the comments on the clan size were basically just light ribbing. More or less a comment on the fact that the family tree you've outlined is bigger than most people would be bothered to put to page. That's not a bad thing by any means, though.

This was a rambly way of saying: Lighten up juuuust a smidge.


As a general observation: I was not upset, just really confused. I added the rest of it as a comparison because I just could not wrap my head around the concept that my clan was large. Lol.

Anyways, if it was just ribbing I can understand that.
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Is it bad if I'm posting here just so I can get that green dash next to this thread? Oh, and my character sheet is coming along rather well, though I still have quite a bit left to go.
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Whilst clans are older than the one-hundred and twelve years of the current period (fukugen), you do have to consider the fact that the preceding era (konton) was pretty much the founding of shinobi clans though how long that era was I left ambiguous for a few valid reasons. I wasn’t saying your clan is unrealistically large, by the way, just that you’ve defined familial members more extensively than any of the GMs have— a fact that made me smirk at the irony of it all.

It was not an elaborate criticism but rather a neutral comment.
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Done with the sheet~
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Is it bad if I'm posting here just so I can get that green dash next to this thread? Oh, and my character sheet is coming along rather well, though I still have quite a bit left to go.


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  • I actually kinda like the Ryuuga's whole "Clan of Belligerents" sort of vibe.
  • I guess being sickly is one way to balance out being generally pretty good at things.
  • Another candidate for "Parent of the Year" in Papa Ryuuga, I see. I'd say that I'm kind of weary of the genin crop having shitty/dead parents, but it's not like I'm sorta guilty of it too.
  • Could use some more in the "Relations" category. Surely Tsume at least has opinions on the people she went to the Academy with, even if she might not have interacted with them. Even Fukushu's got that much, and she's got tunnel vision.
  • The whole "Berserker Rage" deal is a little iffy, at least in my opinion. Sure, there's potential drawbacks, but "doubling power" is pretty good. I suppose this is one of things where I can accept it on the basis that it's used relatively sparingly. Or at least if it's not used as the "Get out of Jail Free" card that it could end up being in the hands of someone who hates rules. So, barring any input from @Gowi or @Sloth on the matter, I'm going to trust you with this for now.
  • This new version of Tsume has been dialed back decently, but I'm also not sure if adding the sickness into the mix was necessary. Almost like it goes overboard into the "Sprinter, not a Marathoner" nature of Tsume's fighting style. Something to keep in mind, I suppose.
  • As far as jutsu goes, Tsume's a two-trick pony, but I guess there's nothing wrong with that. While the addition of a "medical jutsu" was an eyebrow raise for a moment, I'm going to give it a pass due to it just being "Please Don't Let Me Die" bootleg Hamon. Ember Clone's fine too, since it's not a full-on Fire Shadow Clone.
  • Minor thing, since it kinda bugs me, but you should probably toss your jutsu under the "Ranking" hiders as well, if only to cut down on blank space. It just looks better.


In the state she's at now, she's acceptable to me, but if anything I've said here makes you wanna shift some stuff around, I wouldn't mind giving her a look again.



  • Ugh, that quote.
  • Uchiha or not, a nickname like "The Silver Comet" is a bit lofty for a genin. Unless she's some kind of chuuni who gave herself her own nickname.
  • As expected, Ria's a weirdo. Fair enough.
  • I'm pretty cross on this whole murder mystery deal, honestly. The best thing I can say is that it would require heavy workshopping if it wasn't just nixed completely.
  • I've also got a bone to pick about the whole adoption thing. Adding a Senju to the currently established Clan tree would probably be pretty easy. But, even with that in mind, why did the Uchiha just let some dude from another clan take Ria and Kanade in? Whether she's her dads former co-worker or not, I'd imagine that the rest of the Uchiha clan can afford to keep her and her sister in their custody. That's almost entirely the purpose of having a clan in the first place. For me to allow this to fly, I'd need a really compelling reason for it to happen in the first place. Because, as it is, it just doesn't make much sense.
  • I'm gonna just come out and say that your description of Mi-enshin Kaiho is pretty confusing. I'm aware that you're trying to emulate Kagura's whole "clubbing people with a sheathed sword" thing, but I don't think notes of "directness" and "decisiveness" are going to help anybody else parse what's going on with it.
  • Honestly on the fence as to whether Engetsuga could use some tweaking (but B-Ranks might be revoked from Genin, anyway), but whatever. Though, I am gonna have to make a note that Shunshin (Body Flicker) is on the banlist now, so you're gonna have to nix it. Mirajunohana feels closer to a B-Rank, if only due to the whole "Afterimage Clone" thing, though. Maybe if it were one afterimage, but even then it feels like a pretty advanced technique.


She could use a little work to get into acceptable level. I don't hate the sheet, but I'm not exactly in love with it either.


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@Gowi@RyoRyoRyoken@SlothHere's Kiyoshi.

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◈ Fixed some formatting of hiders and paragraphs. Inconsequential, but I am pedantic with this kind of thing.
◈ There are a lot of difficult bits here coming from a language perspective— awkward phrasing, spelling issues, grammatical inconsistencies. I’ve correct and suggested some changes, though this does make me concerned if communicative consistency in your posts can be kept. But I’m going to look at this with a constructive and open-minded outlook. Keep these suggestions and corrections in mind when adjusting your CS, because it will need adjustment to be acceptable for me.
◈ I really don’t see justification for giving genin nicknames like “The Silver Comet”— to me, those kind of names are earned by reputation which a genin really does not have. Eccentricity aside, the alias is probably a no go for me.
◈ Ryo made a good point on this— the whole description of the whodunit feels very odd and I’m not sure what to make of it. I’m not sure if it needs to be removed, but rephrased and developed.
◈ I think I have an issue in a twin because it serves as a background character I personally have to account for since they are Ria’s twin. If this was a younger sibling I might be more open to NPC development, but unless someone were to pick up Kanade as a character I feel really hesitant on their inclusion. In the current build of this profile it seems like Kanade doesn’t serve much of a purpose outside of sibling rivalry mentions.
◈ Pretty much what Ryo stated about the adoption angle. A large functioning clan like the Uchiha would definitely have the resources and manpower to educate Ria and Kanade following the dubious murder of one of their own by one of their own. I could see the Senju being part of their life but outright raising them is unlikely— they would probably be fostered by a sibling of her mother’s, a cousin, or even a distant kinsman. I would need a compelling reason for the Uchiha to hand over guardianship to another clan, especially one they have had back-and-forth relationships with since their formation over two centuries ago.
◈ Is Mi-enshin Kaiho her only special trait? At any rate, if it is, I’d like it outlined a bit better— at least similarly to how Ryo detailed Murakumo Ninpo. I’d ask them for advice if this proves a challenge.
◈ I agree with Ryo on the jutsu stuff.
◈ Ultimately, this needs quite a bit of work but I am confident you will give it your best.
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Obviously still need to fill in some stuff, but hey. It's a sheet, innit? Give me all your scrutiny n' stuff.


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