@DurandalThat sucks, dude.

@DurandalThat really sucks man :/

@aviendha

Yes, sorry I should have him up tomorrow (Or today depending on time zones...)

P.s. hoping you feel better, seems like you've had a rough couple of days.

@aviendha I'll take the Blue Ajah. :) Is there an established leader of it at this time?

I should have it up around Saturday or Sunday if that works. Unless I happen to completely finish tonight, but I doubt that, I have a bit of work to do.

@Sanctus Spooki Cool- just be sure to get approval before posting in the character tab.

@LadyTabris there's no leader right now, no. Just be sure to get approval before posting in the character tab.

@aviendha @POOHEAD189

Name:
Lady Kisathera Lanevron

Gender:
Female

Age:
31

Origin:
Aelgar

Career:
Accepted

Faction:
Aes Sedai



History: Kisathera was born to a fairly rich, noble family in Aelgar. She lived a pampered life. However, at the age of 10, she was found to have the spark by the Tower and taken there. Her family was quite upset at sending her to the Tower, but it wasn’t as if they could stop the Aes Sedai, for they were above even Kings.

Her strength seemed to be formidable and she fairly quickly learned her weaves through the years, and was found to be very adept at Healing. Kisa rose through the ranks of Novice to Accepted with relative speed.

Notes:
Her strength in the One Power is 9 (+4), putting her slightly under Egwene and Elayne in the series, judging by the chart you provided, I think. She is strongest with Spirit and Water, and is generally better at healing than battle weaves.

Let me know if there's anything you'd like me to change. But for now, I must slumber.

@Ezmeralda

If she is 31, at the most, she can be a new Accepted. I will not allow any Aes Sedai that young, unless they have considerable weaknesses and a great story to convince me. Please make her at least 100. Aes Sedai live until they are like 500-600 years old, so a 100 year old is not that old at all- it's the Aes Sedai equivalent of a 20 year old. Keep in mind that Aes Sedai are ageless- a 250 year old can look like she's 30 or so...

For career, just put "Aes Sedai of the Yellow Ajah".

For faction, just put "Yellow Ajah".

There aren't any noble families in Tar Valon.

Noble families in all ten nations were always honored to have their daughters show the spark, especially when they are accepted as Aes Sedai. So that doesn't make sense.

Please include what happens in her life, why she chose Healing, what she is doing with her abilities, etc. Her life story shouldn't just be "she went to the White Tower and became an Aes Sedai".

Noble families in all ten nations were always honored to have their daughters show the spark, especially when they are accepted as Aes Sedai. So that doesn't make sense.

That sounds ... creatively inflexible; surely it isn't inconceivable that a family would be so attached to their daughter that it would cause them considerable distress to see her taken from them? Prestige and honor are a selling point to many, I'll grant you, but it seems inhuman that every single family producing a child with the spark would gladly see that child taken from them and would never try to resist, regardless of the consequences of that resistance. As people our actions and feelings are not unilaterally predicated on logic.

@Ezmeralda@Lucky Knight When there's a war going on and your family is a noble family, thus assigned the duty of protecting their nation, having a daughter become an Aes Sedai with the rare ability to aid the entire continent is an incredible honor. It's not like every daughter of a noble family could channel- it was exceedingly rare, in that less than 3% of the population could learn to channel to any extent at the time of the Trolloc Wars, and less than 1% of the population would actually have the strength to become Aes Sedai. So, less than 1% of the daughters of noble families could become Aes Sedai- that is EXCEEDINGLY rare. So it is ABSOLUTELY inconceivable that a family would be angered at their daughter for doing something that amazing.

Source: theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=4

I know what I'm talking about. Don't assume I'm pulling info out my ass, lol.

Don't assume I'm pulling info out my ass, lol.

This was not my assumption, nor is my argument an attack of any sort. My thoughts were not geared towards scarcity and uniqueness per se (which your article and counterpoint touch upon), but rather I was positing that it was within the realm of possibility for a family (even an aristocratic one) to resist giving up their daughter even if it meant that they would be spitting in the face of enormous honor or denying their duty; human beings are not universally charged towards the good of their fellow human beings, and I could certainly believe that a mother and a father might not care about "the world" as much as they do their own child.

Especially if -- as a generic example -- they believed that the war against the Shadow was a hopeless one and no amount of conflict or resistance would change it. Indeed, they might actually want to spare their child the horror of an unwinnable war and keep her safe against the strong possibility of a premature death. To let others die in her stead so that their daughter might live as long as possible before the ultimate end of the war. So in essence a response that would be neither rational or logical, bur rather emotional and selfish.

By the by, that article was actually a pretty interesting read. It serves to remind me how much I've forgotten about the setting and story over the years. Just picked up the first three books and intend to dive in for a refresher soon.

@Lucky Knight

it was within the realm of possibility for a family (even an aristocratic one) to resist giving up their daughter even if it meant that they would be spitting in the face of enormous honor or denying their duty;

Maybe in times of peace, perhaps, if they were particularly jaded against Aes Sedai, but during the Trolloc Wars, no. Not a chance. Not when the Aes Sedai are literally the only people in the entire Westlands that can actually defeat the Trollocs. Not a chance in hell.

human beings are not universally charged towards the good of their fellow human beings, and I could certainly believe that a mother and a father might not care about "the world" as much as they do their own child.

Maybe if they weren't nobles, but a noble's first duty in the Wheel of Time is to their people, to their nation- NOT to their family. That's why they are in the role of leadership- that is what the whole Treaty written for the Ten Nations was all about. There was intense nationalism during this time, too, hence no one unified army- only individual armies for each individual nation.

Especially if -- as a generic example -- they believed that the war against the Shadow was a hopeless one and no amount of conflict or resistance would change it. Indeed, they might actually want to spare their child the horror of an unwinnable war and keep her safe against the strong possibility of a premature death.

Except that every single one of the nations' leaders and nobles- even the ones whose nations fell- continued to fight to the very end. And do you know why? Because they saw the possibility of a win, because they could drive the Shadow Forces back when- guess what- AES SEDAI were there.

To let others die in her stead so that their daughter might live as long as possible before the ultimate end of the war. So in essence a response that would be neither rational or logical, bur rather emotional and selfish.

Except that Aes Sedai live for 500+ years; channelers not properly trained have normal lifespans, at the best- most channelers who aren't properly trained end up killing themselves, purposefully, or accidentally. So, their best chance of having their daughter actually live through the war would be- oh holy shit I don't believe it!- to allow her to become an Aes Sedai.

So... literally none of your points make sense here, sorry.

@aviendha - I will definitely concede that none of my points are particularly convincing or overriding from a strictly logical perspective, but let's not forget that all of my discussion was solely in support of the idea that a pair of parents might find themselves irrationally angry that their daughter was taken from them, or that they felt themselves forced to relinquish her -- but in the end they still gave up their daughter, I assume for many (if not all) of the points you've made. My goal was to try to point out as best I could that thoughts and emotional response are not always predicated on logic, as I mentioned in my initial argument, and that a number of irrational excuses could be made to justify anger at the situation. Irrationality is, after all, a basic human trait.

@Lucky Knight Except that there's a difference between irrationality and impossibility. Given the nature of the attitude of nobles during the Trolloc Wars, with the air of nationalism, the pride for one's family and want to help in the fight, the deference towards Aes Sedai, not just for their prowess, but for their status as the only Westlanders who might be able to defeat the Shadow, the rarity of strong channelers, the fact that most channelers who aren't trained will die by their own hands... yeah, no. No noble parent would think "I want my kid to potentially die knowing that I could have done something about it, either from misuse of the One Power, 'old age' that is unnatural for them, or from the hands of Shadowspawn, when they could have otherwise fought back, or a variety of other reasons, when they could have otherwise fulfilled their potential and birthright."

@aviendha -- You make a good point that a lack of training would be death. I don't dispute that at all in any way, shape, or form. But rather than "I want my kid to potentially die knowing that I could have done something about it...", might not those parents think something more primal, like "I just don't want to lose my child"? And to wish, in the face of all the reality around them, that they did not have to give her up? And to be maybe just a little angry that there was no choice, regardless of the aristocratic zeitgeist or altruistic inclination?

@Lucky Knight Except that they wouldn't be giving her up, nor would they be losing her- they'd be allowing her to pursue her literal birthright, with no guarantee that she'd actually become an Aes Sedai.

In point of fact, most women who train at the White Tower were turned away after they were trained to the point where they wouldn't kill themselves, if they weren't strong enough, or didn't want to become Aes Sedai. The ones who did become Aes Sedai would always have the option to turn around and go back home, and support their nation/family/whatever. They wouldn't be giving her up- no matter what, they'd be helping her, knowing that she would be able to come back home, the better for it.

Most novices are between the ages of 16 and 20 during this time, meaning that their parents could have the same amount of time with their kid as any noble parent, since most daughters would be married off to strengthen alliances with other nations and cities and the like at that age, especially considering the importance of alliances during wartimes... so once again, makes 0 sense.

@aviendha -- This response is pretty much what I was looking for; it's solidly reasoned, more fleshed out, and answers my concerns. I believe it lays my argument to rest.

I'll change her origin to Andor? and...I'll change her to an Accepted. Although now her picture doesn't really work now...Oh well?

I don't think it's out of possibilty for a family to not like having their child taken away, even if it could only be for a short time. Just because it's honorable doesn't mean they have to like it. I didn't say they resisted, I only said they didn't like having to send her. There's a difference. Even if she was key to saving the world, would you like to have to send your daughter off for years? I think you're making a bigger deal of it than it needs to be.

I didn't include her time before as there wasn't much to say and you wanted things fairly breif. Also, you don't chose to have Healing, it's part of their spark, iirc.

@Ezmeralda Andor doesn't exist yet, choose from the Ten Nations- or rather, the ones not yet destroyed by the Shadow.

Aelgar- A coastal land renowned for its tremendous wealth and power.
Almoren- The nation next to Tar Valon, filled with mountains and forests.
Eharon- A coastal kingdom bordered by rivers, and spotted with forests.
Essenia- Known for its philosophers and stores of knowlede, filled with plains and swamps.
Manetheren- The home of the Two Rivers, ruled by Aemon and Eldrene.
Safer- This is the vaguest nation, I honestly could not find any solid info about it.

As I explained above, at the age of 16-20, girls would be married off, and leave their families anyways, so that's an irrelevant concern that makes absolutely no sense, whatsoever. Alongside my like 50 other points. I want to maintain the atmosphere of Jordan's world- he was very particular about the attitudes towards Aes Sedai during the different Ages.

Yeah, but I don't think they'd ever be married off far from home unless she was of higher birth. She's more of a middle range of nobles. That was usually just to settle disputes between houses, not countries.

And I don't think many people really liked the Aes Sedai. They were respected, sure. But I wouldn't say they liked them.

@Ezmeralda ....noble means of higher birth. There really isn't a midrange of nobles in the world of the Wheel of Time, especially this close to the Breaking. The Ten Nations were only just established- they haven't really had time to establish a lengthy hierarchy.

That attitude developed way, way later, hundreds of years after the Trolloc Wars. During the Trolloc Wars, the Aes Sedai were celebrated as they were the only Westlanders who were successfully able to drive off Shadowspawn, against incredible odds.

Again, not just pulling this out my ass, I do know what I'm talking about. And, I'm the GM. So when I say no, it means no. That's one of the basic rules of the RPGuild forums.