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Your almost right but not quite you can't directly manipulate your own past like you said you would lose the motivation once you did so nothing would change but if you created someone or something like in this case a child in the past with the intention of altering it for you once you meet that child you then have motivation to go back and recreate that child so the changes stick.


I feel like you didn't read that closely because it was an argument that goes completely against everything you've said. But the upshot of your perspective is this. Being the God of Time is completely and totally worthless because you are not capable of manipulating time unless it is to ensure that something that has already happened happens making your powers essentially null and void.

And this argument were are currently having is the reason the Percy Jackson version of Kronos isn't capable of time travel.

Also the reason I don't like time powers in RP. Time Travel has to follow very precise and defined rules which is a virtual impossibility in a collaboration.
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I feel like you didn't read that closely because it was an argument that goes completely against everything you've said. But the upshot of your perspective is this. Being the God of Time is completely and totally worthless because you are not capable of manipulating time unless it is to ensure that something that has already happened happens making your powers essentially null and void.

And this argument were are currently having is the reason the Percy Jackson version of Kronos isn't capable of time travel.

Also the reason I don't like time powers in RP. Time Travel has to follow very precise and defined rules which is a virtual impossibility in a collaboration.


No I read it I was just commenting on the part where you mentioned if you achieved your goals in time travel you would have no reason to time travel and in that case if you have a kid in the past and meet that kid in the future then you would go back and have the kid however even in your example of time travel not effecting you or your memory and you end up in an alternate time line with another you I don't think Cronos would have a problem with that as long as Zeus was dead however there are multiple theories on time travel and like you said the one most used in fantasy is the Big Bang version so using a predestination paradox is not a problem since this is fantasy rp.
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No I read it I was just commenting on the part where you mentioned if you achieved your goals in time travel you would have no reason to time travel and in that case if you have a kid in the past and meet that kid in the future then you would go back and have the kid however even in your example of time travel not effecting you or your memory and you end up in an alternate time line with another you I don't think Cronos would have a problem with that as long as Zeus was dead however there are multiple theories on time travel and like you said the one most used in fantasy is the Big Bang version so using a predestination paradox is not a problem since this is fantasy RP.


Actually the one most used in fantasy is the Back to the Future model because it affords the author the most freedom as far as story and progression go. Almost no one uses the Big Bang Theory version (which was more of a sketch than an actually functioning model) because it is too restrictive to the story to be fun or have any serious stakes.

And that's kind of my point, Kronos wouldn't care what happened to history as long as Zeus was dead and basically every depiction of time travel would allow him to do that except for a precious few models which restrict the functions of time travel so much that it basically doesn't work at all.

And on that subject if The One created a child of Kronos on the theory that the child freed Kronos then Kronos went back in time to sire the child it affords The One very little creative control over the child because their are established events in which the character has to react a certain way and do certain things. Simply put it saps the fun out of playing the character which is about 95% of the point.
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Actually the one most used in fantasy is the Back to the Future model because it affords the author the most freedom as far as story and progression go. Almost no one uses the Big Bang Theory version (which was more of a sketch than an actually functioning model) because it is too restrictive to the story to be fun or have any serious stakes.

And that's kind of my point, Kronos wouldn't care what happened to history as long as Zeus was dead and basically every depiction of time travel would allow him to do that except for a precious few models which restrict the functions of time travel so much that it basically doesn't work at all.

And on that subject if The One created a child of Kronos on the theory that the child freed Kronos then Kronos went back in time to sire the child it affords The One very little creative control over the child because their are established events in which the character has to react a certain way and do certain things. Simply put it saps the fun out of playing the character which is about 95% of the point.


Sorry for miss quoting you on that last one but in back to the future they still sent messages to themselves in the present from the past which is where the child comes in and in back the future dr who and most time travel shows meeting yourself is very bad and had a lot of repercussions meeting your child or parents however is fine because he would still be restricted in helping himself stop Zeus from defending him although you are completely right about how it would restrict the possibilities of what you could do with the character
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You know, gods and titans and all that don't have to actually have sex with a human to make them pregnant. Chronos could as well have shot an energy, part of himself through the prison of hell, through some opening and that energy wandered the world for the perfect vessel. Once it found the mother, it made her pregnant and BAM you have the child of Chronos.
"The war between the Gods was causing anomalies all around the world. The barrier which divided hell from earth was breaking, cracks had begun to show. And from those cracks, Father Time took the opportunity to expel some of his energy which contained himself in it, to the realm of earthlings."

"Before the Titan of Time, Chronos was imprisoned by his son Zeus, he expelled a part of himself in the form of energy. This energy disappeared as it vanished from the current timeline. It traveled through countless ages and timelines until it found the right moment to emerge and find a vessel. The vessel would give birth to a child of Chronos. As foreseen and planned by Chronos when he was imprisoned, this child would then later help him escape from the prison. This was assured as he imprinted a part of himself in that child and with that his own will."

There are countless version from which you can pick to pull this off. Be creative!
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Sorry for miss quoting you on that last one but in back to the future they still sent messages to themselves in the present from the past which is where the child comes in and in Back to the Future, Dr. Who and most time travel shows meeting yourself is very bad and had a lot of repercussions meeting your child or parents however is fine because he would still be restricted in helping himself stop Zeus from defending him although you are completely right about how it would restrict the possibilities of what you could do with the character.


And they have the very real capacity to change the past, as seen as a result of every movie. Also no where in Doctor Who has it ever been a bad thing to meet yourself. Meddling in your own timeline has some repercussions but meeting yourself isn't a problem. They make an episode every ten years about multiple incarnations of the Doctor going on adventure together. See "The Two Doctors" "The Five Doctors" "The Name of the Doctor" "Time Crash" and "The Day of the Doctor". Doctor who plays very fast and loose with time travel, in fact it was basically established that as the last of the Time Lords the Doctor is in charge of the rules of time travel so basically any rules he does set forth are more like "I don't want you to do this" not "This isn't physically possible".

But let's say meeting yourself physically does result in something bad, he has to be able to exist in same time period as past versions of himself because as a titan his timeline goes from more or less the beginning of creation to the end so if he couldn't exist in the same time period as himself he couldn't time travel. With this in mind Kronos could still go back to the Golden Age and through indirect means, most likely the intervention of another titan of that time period, make sure Zeus died.

The point being there isn't a scenario that allows Chronos to be freed and travel back in time to sire a child that doesn't also allow him to travel back further to prevent his own imprisonment without rendering his time powers almost completely nonfunctional.

You know, gods and titans and all that don't have to actually have sex with a human to make them pregnant. Chronos could as well have shot an energy, part of himself through the prison of hell, through some opening and that energy wandered the world for the perfect vessel. Once it found the mother, it made her pregnant and BAM you have the child of Chronos.
"The war between the Gods was causing anomalies all around the world. The barrier which divided hell from earth was breaking, cracks had begun to show. And from those cracks, Father Time took the opportunity to expel some of his energy which contained himself in it, to the realm of earthlings."

"Before the Titan of Time, Chronos was imprisoned by his son Zeus, he expelled a part of himself in the form of energy. This energy disappeared as it vanished from the current timeline. It traveled through countless ages and timelines until it found the right moment to emerge and find a vessel. The vessel would give birth to a child of Chronos. As foreseen and planned by Chronos when he was imprisoned, this child would then later help him escape from the prison. This was assured as he imprinted a part of himself in that child and with that his own will."

There are countless version from which you can pick to pull this off. Be creative!


There are underworld gods, a fair number of them whose entire purpose revolves around making sure nothing gets out of Hades.

The Greek gods are physical entities. Amazing power sure but existing in two places at once or splitting themselves into pieces is sort of beyond them. They're not spirits. The cases in Greek myth where someone was impregnated by proxy usually involved severed or separated bodily fluids. For instance when Kronos castrated Uranos the blood and semen from his severed testicles covered the earth and led to the creation of the Hundred Handed Ones. His testicles themselves dissolved in the ocean and from that the Goddess Aphrodite arose. My point being that a demititan created by Kronos would have to date back to the end of the titan's reign at the latest. Or involve some seriously questionable divine sperm bank encounter.

This is more of a side note but "Hades" the Greek underworld and the classic interpretation of "Hell" are very very different things. There's no fire or brimstone in Hades. Actually a good portion of it is barren and the punishments for the section of the underworld devoted to that (The Fields of Punishment) are more karmic and person specific rather than a general "burn for all time" type deal.

Also the way the Greek Underworld is arranged being able to break part of himself off and slip it through from Tartarus to the other side wouldn't result it in being on earth but in the Underworld proper. Basically you have Earth, directly below earth is the underworld and then as far above the earth as heaven is that same distance below the underworld is where Tartartus is located. It was chosen as the titan's prison for a reason cause even escape from there you've simply escaped into the outer prison from which you also need to escape to make it to earth.
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@Prince of Seraphs How about...

"Chronos jerked it so hard that his sperm flew right through the cracks of the prison and disappeared from the current timeline. The sperm emerged years later and hit an unsuspecting soon to be mother"
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@Prince of Seraphs How about...

"Chronos jerked it so hard that his sperm flew right through the cracks of the prison and disappeared from the current timeline. The sperm emerged years later and hit an unsuspecting soon to be mother."


I think a large part of the point of putting him Tartarus was that as the Titan of Time he had to be imprisoned somewhere where time didn't exist so how well that would work I'm not entirely sure.

Beyond that though, aside from being kind of contrived there's nothing I can think of that would actually prevent it from working. Though you'd think with other titans in the prison Chronos would have someone to have sex with without having to resort to jerking off.
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And they have the very real capacity to change the past, as seen as a result of every movie. Also no where in Doctor Who has it ever been a bad thing to meet yourself. Meddling in your own timeline has some repercussions but meeting yourself isn't a problem. They make an episode every ten years about multiple incarnations of the Doctor going on adventure together. See "The Two Doctors" "The Five Doctors" "The Name of the Doctor" "Time Crash" and "The Day of the Doctor". Doctor who plays very fast and loose with time travel, in fact it was basically established that as the last of the Time Lords the Doctor is in charge of the rules of time travel so basically any rules he does set forth are more like "I don't want you to do this" not "This isn't physically possible".

But let's say meeting yourself physically does result in something bad, doesn't mean existing in same time period cannot have the same effect because as a titan his timeline goes from more or less the beginning of creation to the end so if he couldn't exist in the same time period as himself he couldn't time travel. Kronos could still go back to the Golden Age and through indirect means, most likely the intervention of another titan of that time period, make sure Zeus died.

The point being there isn't a scenario that allows Chronos to be freed and travel back in time to sire a child that doesn't also allow him to travel back further to prevent his own imprisonment without rendering his time powers almost completely nonfunctional.


Good point with dr who Can't believe i made that mistake considering i have wached it for years so the only way it could work is if we allow time travel not allow you to directly manipulate your own time line but allow indirect mentheds so the only real option in with the kid helping to save him that was he is not directly manipulating his time line instead he is getting someone else to do it for him and once he meets his kid go back and do it again but i am off to bed i am way to tired and keep making stupid mistaks ill reread the discussion tomorrow become in case you where right about me miss reading your comments.
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@The One Hey I was wondering if I could create a child of Athena character who'd act as a teachers aid in the realm of strategy lessons?
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@The One Additional what's the RPs stance on Greek monsters, are we looking at a Percy Jacksoneque existence where they are drawn to demigod auras and exist more or less to kill heroes. Or is it more like they exist in the Wild and only attack when threatened. Or alternatively are they all extinct. Personally I'd prefer option A. It adds a bit more purpose to Olympus Academy if students are being taught to combat monsters in addition to controlling their powers and possibly fighting one another.
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Ok so this is the only way I can think to make it work Chronos goes back in time after getting released to the golden age taking over his past selfs body but can't kill Zeus because he won't have any reason to to back if he dose so instead sends his energy forwards in time to create a child to help free him in the future although as you pointed out this make time travel next to useless for the demigod of time so instead you give the character fairy tale style time magic able to speed up the reverse the effects of time on objects because being able to slow down, speed up or freeze time would be op.
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I know I don't really have the right to ask this but is there any chance you guys could go back through your character sheets and put in more specific details about there powers and abilities? A lot of them are kind of vague and I'm just really worried that when we get to the PvP stage of the RP (as RPs like this will inevitably go) its going to be like when you played make believe as a kid and wanting desperately to not be outdone by your friends when he makes a big weapon you make a bigger one and as you go up the scale the weapons get bigger and make progressively less sense until you and he are wondering how you got where the game ended up.

That could be mitigated somewhat by more specific powers being written down including limits to those abilities, such as instead of putting down just the header "Necromancy" you specify what kind of undead you can summon, if you can do it anytime or require set circumstances, how many you can control at once, if there is a risk of them escaping your control. That sort of thing.

Obviously I have no authority here and you are more than welcome to simply ignore everything I've said. I just think it might be a good idea to keep the RP functioning smoothly down the line.
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@Blackmist16 @Weird Tales Sorry I haven't posted Soren yet, I was waiting for Ayame to respond to Bryn so I could just do them both at the same time. I respond tomorrow
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Its cool man I'm just waiting for the other guy to post then I'll post mine!
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