But I doubt in listening to people rant and rave on YouTube and who believe the DNC makes secret necromantic rituals to summon the ghost of Karl Marx or Pierre-Joseph Proudhon you would have heard of it.

That's perfectly fine, I just don't get demonization of those who think otherwise by every aspect of society.

@Dinh AaronMk People can be articulate on youtube. Just because it's online doesn't mean its any less valid than intellectuals going to a speech. It helps to actually listen to people and it's easier than books. (though I showed a piece of that too...)

Like really all of the people telling me "i can't watch a good point" because it's totally bad, because video, and I said so. Just doesn't hold much weight. The sixth swing state thing (or five) doesn't really have much to do with anything. But showing voting probability. Don't know what's that trying to say really...

I reason I say it, is because it's often used as an argument and the whole "i want meaningless pandering" and just how messed up that sentiment actually is...and how it's legit screwed people from doing anything about the real issues they might have.

(the racialism stuff)

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Okay, so here is the problem with "Racialism." And the inherent problem with racism to boot.

You find a genetic difference that says blacks have a five point lower IQ range than whites. Okay, that's interesting. But that doesn't meant that therefore all black people are stupider than all white people. Saying that this five point difference makes the entirety of one race inferior and the entirety of the other race superior is saying that statistics is first past the post, which is fucking bizarre. A five point difference, or even a ten point difference, means the IQs overlap, and there a shit-loads of high IQ black people and low IQ white people.

If you want to get all eugenic, race doesn't seem to be a good technical basis because it's following these secondary characteristics. If you want to get rid of stupid people, don't trace it to race, just get rid of stupid people point blank. That's evil too, but fuck it, if you are going to be evil, at least be evil with some precision.

Of course, no White Supremacist is going to make this step because, as Sleeping Silence said above (Woo! We're all on the same side this time!), racists are often fairly stupid and it's pretty damn likely that a purge of the stupids would tear through their ranks.

It is notable too that race is something of an arbitrary definition. I always loved the story about how, in the 1890's after the Battle of Adwa the NAACP fell in love with the fact that the Emperor of Ethiopia had defeated a European army, so they went to visit him. They asked him his opinions about the struggle of blacks in America and he was all like, "I appreciate you coming, but I don't know why you are asking me, because I'm not black." The guy, mind you, looked like this. It made sense in his mind because to him, black people were the darker skinned people south of Ethiopia, and he was part of another race entirely. Shit, if anybody here has ever dated a black girl, the light-skin dark-skin thing division exists to some extent in America too, because lord knows you'll hear about it.

This isn't to say that race doesn't exist at all, but it runs together a lot since in evolutionary time we aren't that far removed from the other races. We can draw circles around places that are divided from each other, but what that actually tells is pretty limited.

You find a genetic difference that says blacks have a five point lower IQ range than whites. Okay, that's interesting. But that doesn't meant that therefore all black people are stupider than all white people. Saying that this five point difference makes the entirety of one race inferior and the entirety of the other race superior is saying that statistics is first past the post, which is fucking bizarre. A five point difference, or even a ten point difference, means the IQs overlap, and there a shit-loads of high IQ black people and low IQ white people.

If you want to get all eugenic, race doesn't seem to be a good technical basis because it's following these secondary characteristics. If you want to get rid of stupid people, don't trace it to race, just get rid of stupid people point blank. That's evil too, but fuck it, if you are going to be evil, at least be evil with some precision.

Of course, no White Supremacist is going to make this step because, as Sleeping Silence said above (Woo! We're all on the same side this time!), racists are often fairly stupid and it's pretty damn likely that a purge of the stupids would tear through their ranks.

It is notable too that race is something of an arbitrary definition. I always loved the story about how, in the 1890's after the Battle of Adwa the NAACP fell in love with the fact that the Emperor of Ethiopia had defeated a European army, so they went to visit him. They asked him his opinions about the struggle of blacks in America and he was all like, "I appreciate you coming, but I don't know why you are asking me, because I'm not black." The guy, mind you, looked like this. It made sense in his mind because to him, black people were the darker skinned people south of Ethiopia, and he was part of another race entirely. Shit, if anybody here has ever dated a black girl, the light-skin dark-skin thing division exists to some extent in America too, because lord knows you'll hear about it.

This isn't to say that race doesn't exist at all, but it runs together a lot since in evolutionary time we aren't that far removed from the other races. We can draw circles around places that are divided from each other, but what that actually tells is pretty limited.

To sort of add to, expand on, or whatever to Vilage's point: material conditions may have more an impact on the individual than anything. The environment on an individual plays a considerably impact on one's development and less so the fact their ancestors came from the Niger Delta, New Zealand, or were Comanche. Human behavior and society adapts to the environmental and material conditions in which it is placed; it stands to reason an individual unremoved from an impoverished society where the total income the person is to receive can not fully match the cost of independent living that the individual will of course may turn to non-violent crime like drug sales to make ends meet. But that can be a whole other issue.

I wouldnt even have to go that far, race doesn't exist in any meaningful way.

@Dynamo Frokane
Genetic and ingrained differences in IQ, anatomy, behaviour, etc. Basically, evolution on a human scale. Whenever someone expresses the slightest belief in it or even interest in researching it they get "called out" as racists.

Mostly because you want to roast people on actual ovens.