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But I doubt in listening to people rant and rave on YouTube and who believe the DNC makes secret necromantic rituals to summon the ghost of Karl Marx or Pierre-Joseph Proudhon you would have heard of it.


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@Dinh AaronMk People can be articulate on youtube. Just because it's online doesn't mean its any less valid than intellectuals going to a speech. It helps to actually listen to people and it's easier than books. (though I showed a piece of that too...)

Like really all of the people telling me "i can't watch a good point" because it's totally bad, because video, and I said so. Just doesn't hold much weight. The sixth swing state thing (or five) doesn't really have much to do with anything. But showing voting probability. Don't know what's that trying to say really...

I reason I say it, is because it's often used as an argument and the whole "i want meaningless pandering" and just how messed up that sentiment actually is...and how it's legit screwed people from doing anything about the real issues they might have.
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That's perfectly fine, I just don't get demonization of those who think otherwise by every aspect of society.


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@Dinh AaronMk People can be articulate on youtube. Just because it's online doesn't mean its any less valid than intellectuals going to a speech. It helps to actually listen to people and it's easier than books. (though I showed a piece of that too...)

Like really all of the people telling me "i can't watch a good point" because it's totally bad, because video, and I said so. Just doesn't hold much weight. The sixth swing state thing (or five) doesn't really have much to do with anything. But showing voting probability. Don't know what's that trying to say really...

I reason I say it, is because it's often used as an argument and the whole "i want meaningless pandering" and just how messed up that sentiment actually is...and how it's legit screwed people from doing anything about the real issues they might have.


>Conflating historical analysis of political trends across all states and regions with present-day swing state tactics.

You see, this is why your pundents are wrong.

To further it, they're only beating the drum and like MDK's article willfully ignoring other points to favor their own narrative to maintain their belief that, "Anyone not the Republican party bloc is bad" so they get more like it and they get viewers, and they get money. It's a self-confirming attitude reinforcing political bias because YouTube makes it easy. People in these circles will only ever get people within those circles.
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(the racialism stuff)


Okay, so here is the problem with "Racialism." And the inherent problem with racism to boot.

You find a genetic difference that says blacks have a five point lower IQ range than whites. Okay, that's interesting. But that doesn't meant that therefore all black people are stupider than all white people. Saying that this five point difference makes the entirety of one race inferior and the entirety of the other race superior is saying that statistics is first past the post, which is fucking bizarre. A five point difference, or even a ten point difference, means the IQs overlap, and there a shit-loads of high IQ black people and low IQ white people.

If you want to get all eugenic, race doesn't seem to be a good technical basis because it's following these secondary characteristics. If you want to get rid of stupid people, don't trace it to race, just get rid of stupid people point blank. That's evil too, but fuck it, if you are going to be evil, at least be evil with some precision.

Of course, no White Supremacist is going to make this step because, as Sleeping Silence said above (Woo! We're all on the same side this time!), racists are often fairly stupid and it's pretty damn likely that a purge of the stupids would tear through their ranks.

It is notable too that race is something of an arbitrary definition. I always loved the story about how, in the 1890's after the Battle of Adwa the NAACP fell in love with the fact that the Emperor of Ethiopia had defeated a European army, so they went to visit him. They asked him his opinions about the struggle of blacks in America and he was all like, "I appreciate you coming, but I don't know why you are asking me, because I'm not black." The guy, mind you, looked like this. It made sense in his mind because to him, black people were the darker skinned people south of Ethiopia, and he was part of another race entirely. Shit, if anybody here has ever dated a black girl, the light-skin dark-skin thing division exists to some extent in America too, because lord knows you'll hear about it.

This isn't to say that race doesn't exist at all, but it runs together a lot since in evolutionary time we aren't that far removed from the other races. We can draw circles around places that are divided from each other, but what that actually tells is pretty limited.
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But what about phrenology, @Vilageidiotx???
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Okay, so here is the problem with "Racialism." And the inherent problem with racism to boot.

You find a genetic difference that says blacks have a five point lower IQ range than whites. Okay, that's interesting. But that doesn't meant that therefore all black people are stupider than all white people. Saying that this five point difference makes the entirety of one race inferior and the entirety of the other race superior is saying that statistics is first past the post, which is fucking bizarre. A five point difference, or even a ten point difference, means the IQs overlap, and there a shit-loads of high IQ black people and low IQ white people.

If you want to get all eugenic, race doesn't seem to be a good technical basis because it's following these secondary characteristics. If you want to get rid of stupid people, don't trace it to race, just get rid of stupid people point blank. That's evil too, but fuck it, if you are going to be evil, at least be evil with some precision.

Of course, no White Supremacist is going to make this step because, as Sleeping Silence said above (Woo! We're all on the same side this time!), racists are often fairly stupid and it's pretty damn likely that a purge of the stupids would tear through their ranks.

It is notable too that race is something of an arbitrary definition. I always loved the story about how, in the 1890's after the Battle of Adwa the NAACP fell in love with the fact that the Emperor of Ethiopia had defeated a European army, so they went to visit him. They asked him his opinions about the struggle of blacks in America and he was all like, "I appreciate you coming, but I don't know why you are asking me, because I'm not black." The guy, mind you, looked like this. It made sense in his mind because to him, black people were the darker skinned people south of Ethiopia, and he was part of another race entirely. Shit, if anybody here has ever dated a black girl, the light-skin dark-skin thing division exists to some extent in America too, because lord knows you'll hear about it.

This isn't to say that race doesn't exist at all, but it runs together a lot since in evolutionary time we aren't that far removed from the other races. We can draw circles around places that are divided from each other, but what that actually tells is pretty limited.


To sort of add to, expand on, or whatever to Vilage's point: material conditions may have more an impact on the individual than anything. The environment on an individual plays a considerably impact on one's development and less so the fact their ancestors came from the Niger Delta, New Zealand, or were Comanche. Human behavior and society adapts to the environmental and material conditions in which it is placed; it stands to reason an individual unremoved from an impoverished society where the total income the person is to receive can not fully match the cost of independent living that the individual will of course may turn to non-violent crime like drug sales to make ends meet. But that can be a whole other issue.

On an interesting note, typing this out reminds me of the time Ironicus decides to start reading from American Apartheid during the middle of a semi-relevant LP, and I am compelled to link it, despite earlier bitching.
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I wouldnt even have to go that far, race doesn't exist in any meaningful way. There is more genetic diversity in africa then there is in the rest of the world. Race isnt recognised by science, its determined as very loose genetic 'clusters' which again run outside of what we as a society would call racial lines.

Blacks in america probably do have lower IQs than whites, but then when you look at access to education, health, diet, and even things like lead, and pollution then you have to consider at the outside factors before you just blame it all on genes.

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and I know you guys dont like videos but if you want to know more about the race realism stuff I honestly do think you should watch this.

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In your very first paragraph you really go ahead to support my point because yes, these African groups were bred to be big and strong by slaveowners and such they were; other groups were also bred for specific conditions. Yes, education standards aren't very high in those specific countries but nevertheless they are still smarter than whites there.

Yes there are definite generalizations when I group people but that's the damn point of a statistic.

Also, you can't possibly say that social and economic factors are wholly responsible for these things; G, or general IQ as one can simply understand it is how intelligent one is regardless of social conditions. Look at the chittling tests; these compensated and over-compensated for the disadvantages of blacks socially and economically yet still whites scored higher than blacks and Asians than whites.
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I mean both of your qualifiers for a Belarusian, to a degree. Frankly, it's up to me to decide who a Belarusian is and not you, and I can do it in a case by case basis since after all isn't that supposedly how we are to judge people?
Here are some pictures of people eligible for the title of Belarusians



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If I don't want brown people in Belarus it's my right. They aren't Belarusians, their ancestors didn't fight the Marxists or Nazis, their ancestors were not part of Szlachta or Hristyanstvo, they do not look like me and my kinsmen, they do not act like me and my kinsmen and they are not Belarusians, never will be and that's really that. They have their own countries but to mine they can only come as a tourist. People in Poland and Balkans understand this; visit, but you shall never properly assimilate so don't try.
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@Vilageidiotx
You find a genetic difference that says blacks have a five point lower IQ range than whites. Okay, that's interesting. But that doesn't meant that therefore all black people are stupider than all white people. Saying that this five point difference makes the entirety of one race inferior and the entirety of the other race superior is saying that statistics is first past the post, which is fucking bizarre. A five point difference, or even a ten point difference, means the IQs overlap, and there a shit-loads of high IQ black people and low IQ white people.

I never said that makes anyone superior, and I actually said to the reverse. If you're going to start making up statements on my point then fuck off. Also, whites and blacks have more than 10 IQ points difference or one standard deviation. I never argued that all blacks are dumber than all whites, so once again stop making shit up. It merely means that your average black will not be as intelligent as your average white.

If you want to get all eugenic, race doesn't seem to be a good technical basis because it's following these secondary characteristics. If you want to get rid of stupid people, don't trace it to race, just get rid of stupid people point blank. That's evil too, but fuck it, if you are going to be evil, at least be evil with some precision.

I never said I want eugenics (except for perhaps rare cases like where someone has a genetic disease i.e. someone with a sever case of autism or down-syndrome (yes I know that is me)). I don't want want to get rid of stupid people, because that's really impossible. I just want to preserve the uniqueness that makes my (and all) peoples beautiful. Once again, I never said two major statements here so please stop making shit up and putting words in my mouth.

Of course, no White Supremacist is going to make this step because, as Sleeping Silence said above (Woo! We're all on the same side this time!), racists are often fairly stupid and it's pretty damn likely that a purge of the stupids would tear through their ranks.

Supremacism is pretty retarded; I merely argue that there is difference, whilst objective superiority of anything over anything is impossible and even if it was more or less incalculable.

It is notable too that race is something of an arbitrary definition. I always loved the story about how, in the 1890's after the Battle of Adwa the NAACP fell in love with the fact that the Emperor of Ethiopia had defeated a European army, so they went to visit him. They asked him his opinions about the struggle of blacks in America and he was all like, "I appreciate you coming, but I don't know why you are asking me, because I'm not black." The guy, mind you, looked like this. It made sense in his mind because to him, black people were the darker skinned people south of Ethiopia, and he was part of another race entirely. Shit, if anybody here has ever dated a black girl, the light-skin dark-skin thing division exists to some extent in America too, because lord knows you'll hear about it.

This whole paragraph turns to "lol this one guy said X so all of Y which is kinda related to X silly :DDDD" which is pretty retarded.

This isn't to say that race doesn't exist at all, but it runs together a lot since in evolutionary time we aren't that far removed from the other races. We can draw circles around places that are divided from each other, but what that actually tells is pretty limited.

I agree that there are a lot of similarities. However I happen to like the differences, I like my green eyes and the green eyes I see so often in my countrymen, I like the features we have, the strong confidence coupled with craftiness even if we are not the smartest out there.

So yeah, once more stopping putting words in my mouth, if that is how you want to argue then you can fuck right off I'm not falling for it.

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To sort of add to, expand on, or whatever to Vilage's point: material conditions may have more an impact on the individual than anything. The environment on an individual plays a considerably impact on one's development and less so the fact their ancestors came from the Niger Delta, New Zealand, or were Comanche. Human behavior and society adapts to the environmental and material conditions in which it is placed; it stands to reason an individual unremoved from an impoverished society where the total income the person is to receive can not fully match the cost of independent living that the individual will of course may turn to non-violent crime like drug sales to make ends meet. But that can be a whole other issue.

Environment has an impact but it's not that big. Twins had similar life outcomes and even more similar IQs every time the twin adoption test was done.

I wouldnt even have to go that far, race doesn't exist in any meaningful way.

Yes it does.
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Genetic and ingrained differences in IQ, anatomy, behaviour, etc. Basically, evolution on a human scale. Whenever someone expresses the slightest belief in it or even interest in researching it they get "called out" as racists.


I mean to be fair, it sounds pretty racist.
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I suppose it is, since by definition it is prejudice and I do pre-judge people but it's not hate.
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You ever notice how the people who believe this kind of stuff look like they were born with fetal alcohol syndrome?
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not really no

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No I was talking about you in specific.
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not really no


that was a pretty good roast tho
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I'm not your friend, fucker, don't compliment my roasts. I know they're good. When you roast people, it's shit.

Mostly because you want to roast people on actual ovens.

I mean, I get it. You play the cool, cultured Internet Smart Guy, from a shithole country with strong nationalistic, so immediately you're on the attack with 10 dollar words and shitty pseudo-intellectual drivel. You speak in a polite manner so you don't come across as a fucker, unknowing that the the bullshit you spew is the exact same shit that cousin-fuckers say while waving their confederate battle flags; you just place a more academic spin on it.

It's all bullshit, and your presence in this thread is fucking disgusting.
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Mostly because you want to roast people on actual ovens.

>implying
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I am pretty cool and smart, I don't like to think I am cultured considering mainstream culture. Also, it's a surprise I know but words aren't sold or bought, don't try to value them with currency. You trying to associate me with some other groups and go "look X is similar to Y in this one particular aspect so X must be ebil and the same as Y :,((((" goes to show just how wrong your idea is even more.

But if you're so disgusted by my presence, fuck off.

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