Oh shit the collab's up! TIME TO READ DAT SHIT!

So yeah, me and Lost will try to get our callab up as soon as we can. It's more of a flashback, so nothing is riding on it really. I just want to get some activity going since there's been one post every three days if we're lucky lately. My posts are pretty independent of everyone else's (purposefully so no one waits on me), so I dunno what's up.

Also, for collabs like the last one, it would definitely help just to make a regularish-sized piece, post, then make another piece, et cetera. Waiting on huge lumps kinda makes it:

1: Take frakking forever

2. A possibly tedious read

3. Take frakking forever

ALSO, It's time to go Zephyr mode on this collab:

The founder of the RP said from handguns and revolvers to sub machine guns and shotguns.

Dude...

The founder of the RP said *The weaponry of Leginia, however, is not as modern. The era of peace that the council brought resulted in an end to the thirst for militaristic advancement. Guns are rare, and function based off cores (most will focus on using a Fire Core to project forward a bullet). Other than that, swords, daggers, axes, hammers, bows, throwing knifes, etc are all weapons.

Do I need to say more? This is lore-breaking shit in YOUR ROLPLAY! This is like LOTR's Legolas pulling out a sniper rifle and headshotting peeps.

*Continues Zephyr Mode*

Julian and Arianna seem a bit off. Arianna hardly seems bothered by the fact that her boyfriend effortlessly slaughtered several men without batting an eye. I know it's the apocalypse and all but her personality doesn't fit with someone who doesn't value human life. Julian seems weird for the same reason. He's a relaxed stoner type that apparently straight up kills people. Hector and his buddies have been trained to kill and deal with death, and Iktomi is a sociopath who thinks he's Spider-Christ: I can believe them being okay with so much death, but not Bob Marley and the rich girl.

Also, Iktomi defines OP. His threads apparently ignore gravity completely, are nearly unbreakable, and can form into anything.

Sage mode:

1) Guns exist. These guys are GANGSTERS. Even before the apocalypse their whole purpose was militaristic in nature. A gang doesn't focus on medicine and physics and chemistry. Do I need to explain what a gang is?
2) Julian is a conduit. The death of his friend and the emotionless of his onikage has a huge influence on him and has dulled his emotional responsiveness. I was planning on having a scene where he realized that he could be his old self again AND a scene where he realized he was turning into an emotionless mess, but, fine, I guess you can ruin that if you want.

I was going to mention the guns. What happened to the guns being core-based, with fire, land and lightning guns being the primary weapons? Although, re-reading it, I notice it says guns mostly use fire cores to propel bullets. ("Guns are rare, and function based off cores (most will focus on using a Fire Core to project forward a bullet).", emphasis added) I must have misunderstood it before. I thought guns would shoot fire, boulders and lightning. But I suppose that to overlook the effectiveness of a high-velocity lump of lead would be stupid of Leginia's military.

Still, why don't they have fire, land and lightning guns as well?

The Red Zephyr said Also, Iktomi defines OP. His threads apparently ignore gravity completely, are nearly unbreakable, and can form into anything.

Not to mention he can use them to kill dozens of people at a wave of his hand, and he's been using his thread-manipulating powers for the entirety of that collab post (floating not only his threads but two people too would take a lot of energy) but is yet to show much in the way of fatigue.

You have to realize that that was only Part 1 of the collab.

No mention of what they were firing was even made, but I wanted you to assume ballistic rounds. These gangsters can't come into contact with actual military - remember, they were more of an all show gang, like the one publicized by mass media. Because of this, they could only get this basic shit made. And yes, Iktomi is OP as hell, but that's because I let him be. These Blood Saints aren't all that dude... the small GM squad wiped out like all of them without losing anyone, until they got to the boss kages.

EDIT: For BBeast, hell yes, there are guns that shoot fire lightning and what not. In fact, that's the majority of the military's weaponry. They have plasma rifles.

I was under the impression Iktomi was only able to use his threads in his lair....

The fact that he can move them to wherever he plans on going is a little much...

Edit: Allow me to clarify, I was under the impression that Iktomi could not bring his threads with him anywhere he went. Just like a spider, he would have to create a web wherever he went. Which not only makes sense due to him being a spider, but also help him from being to grossly powerful. I had no problem with him being untouchable in his lair, but if he can just run around and fucking shit up wherever he goes it is a little much. Especially if you take into consideration the level of power the other kage's have at this point. Perhaps it would be better to make it that way for now.

Either way it goes I can live with it, but looking at the other OOC posts, it does seem like others are expressing concern.

Vates can see possible futures... sometimes... I should really work on beefing him up. I don't imagine he could touch any other player at this point :P

I think the whole flying throne bit was the only issue I had with Itkomi, but everything else was fine by me. Given that he's one of the few fully fledged bad guys at this point (from what I gather) he needs to have some advantages.

Fat Boy Kyle said
Vates can see futures... ... I should really work on beefing him up. I don't imagine he could touch any other player at this point :P I think the whole flying throne bit was the only issue I had with Itkomi, but everything else was fine by me. Given that he's one of the few fully fledged bad guys at this point (from what I gather) he needs to have some advantages.

Good point.

I guess I can retract my statement *Retracts*

So Kish, why is Weston carrying around two flintlock pistols then? When did "underdeveloped weaponry" become plasma rifles? The whole premise behind the world was having a futuristic setting that still required mainly melee weapon usage for combat because of the lack of military conflict. I understand the military probably got into weapon development as soon as they were left full control of Leginia, but they wouldn't just hand out automatic weapons and shit to the gangs of Sovereign. Automatic weapons should be to the people of Leginia like alien laser guns would be to us, or a sniper rifle would be to Legolas.

The Red Zephyr said
So Kish, why is Weston carrying around two flintlock pistols then? When did "underdeveloped weaponry" become plasma rifles? The whole premise behind the world was having a futuristic setting that still required mainly melee weapon usage for combat because of the lack of military conflict. I understand the military probably got into weapon development as soon as they were left full control of Leginia, but they wouldn't just hand out automatic weapons and shit to the gangs of Sovereign. Automatic weapons should be to the people of Leginia like alien laser guns would be to us, or a sniper rifle would be to Legolas.

This is a very good point.

Also, I don't know if I went into enough depth in her reaction to Iktomi's slaughtering, but I did write,

Skai said "[Arianna] was tense, and a little frightened, gripping her rapier tightly... Arianna tore her gaze from the slaughter and looked over at Iktomi. He was definitely a different man than the young boy she remembered."

I apologize if I didn't make it obvious that she hadn't expected so much power from Iktomi. I was going to make a separate post about her thoughts on it after all the chaos was over and she could be alone and think.

I have returned! I am terribly sorry about my absence; my workload got completely out of hand and something had to go. Am I too late to rejoin?

What do you mean, rejoin? You never quit. :P Just make a post!

Sage said
No mention of what they were firing was even made, but I wanted you to assume ballistic rounds. These gangsters can't come into contact with actual military - remember, they were more of an all show gang, like the one publicized by mass media. Because of this, they could only get this basic shit made. And yes, Iktomi is OP as hell, but that's because I let him be. These Blood Saints aren't all that dude... the small GM squad wiped out like all of them without losing anyone, until they got to the boss kages.EDIT: For BBeast, hell yes, there are guns that shoot fire lightning and what not. In fact, that's the majority of the military's weaponry. They have plasma rifles.

Really? Did you read the collab?

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It was only moments after his exclamation that a wave of bullets pelted the ground around them from above. The gangsters wielded a variety of guns - from handguns and revolvers to sub machine guns and shotguns. As the bullets rained upon the squad,
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The two others closed in, but Kisheto dove in front of Hector, taking two bullets to his upper back and a single bullet to his lower left abdomen.
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The Saints were pushed back, and two of them were thrust backwards as their bodies met with a wave of bullets.
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In response, the mercenaries, who had three grenade launchers prepared, fired off one round of their explosive weapons and caused the entire wall to explode into a mess of debris. The second the grenades made contact,
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and they began unleashing a spray of bullets upon the men who were focusing on Julian.
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Iktomi's body twisted and turned as he darted along the walls, bullets flying all around him.
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As he did this, the two Golden Mercenaries fired off the last of their current magazine's rounds,
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as the Golden Mercenary tried to spin into his deflected attack, he was met with a burst of bullets that ran up his spine,
...

I think the collab explicitly states that both sides used bullets, and absolutely no mention of other firearms (aside from the RPGs).

The argument for core guns being exclusive to the military while the gangs have to use the "basic" guns is unfounded. It is much easier to build a core gun, a length of pipe with a core in one end, a trigger mechanism and a stock to hold it, than it is to build a ballistic firearm, which is quite complex as it requires many moving parts. Zachary's primary weapon, as you've seen, is a wind cannon. It is little more than a length of pipe with a wind core in one end and a means to activate it. The only moving part is the trigger, and the most complicated part is the power supply (a battery and some capacitors to make it come out as a strong pulse). A conventional gun, on the other hand, has many moving parts which have to line up exactly or it will jam, especially in an automatic weapon. The only way around that is to use a musket or similar weapon instead, which again has no moving parts other than the trigger but at the cost of a very long manual reload time.

By your logic, that the gangs can't get the good weapons, means that they'll be stuck with the core weapons (simple core weapons, of course) while military will be the only ones with access to assault rifles and RPGs. The Golden Mercenaries are like the military, so there's no problem with their kit, but you must be careful to not break the world you have made.

The Red Zephyr said
So Kish, why is Weston carrying around two flintlock pistols then? When did "underdeveloped weaponry" become plasma rifles? The whole premise behind the world was having a futuristic setting that still required mainly melee weapon usage for combat because of the lack of military conflict. I understand the military probably got into weapon development as soon as they were left full control of Leginia, but they wouldn't just hand out automatic weapons and shit to the gangs of Sovereign. Automatic weapons should be to the people of Leginia like alien laser guns would be to us, or a sniper rifle would be to Legolas.

Don't ask me, it's YOUR character. And honestly, I don't know how else to explain this to you: their assault rifles can't do shit. Hector was hit and could still go on, Kisheto was hit and survived. Know why? Because they have advanced (standard) armor. The assault rifles are a knives brought to a Star Wars fight. And the concept of automated weaponry? Honestly? Technology can let cars fly, but can't figure out how to shoot small pieces of metal at rapid speeds? The following sentence shall reiterate a point above because obviously needs this: They have armor that can let you take gunshots and press forward in a fight, but not the weaponry the armor was built to negate? Why else do you think Hector had no problem charging head on with 12 men against an entire gang?

And did you forget that there are monsters in the world? That a GOOD portion of the military's purpose in modern times was to secure the land from monster threats? What would they use against monsters, huh? How about guns that can get the job done but aren't too advanced for the standard... I don't know... Maybe like ballistic assault rifles.

And do I need to explain the concept of exceptions? FUCK dude! Lemme list shit on rapid fire mode:

-Anti-peace cultists
-war lingering underground groups
-ex-military black market dealers and engineers
-people who don't give a fuck about the law

There are millions of people in this world, and all it takes is ONE person to say "shit, the concept of a 'gun' 8/ cool. Wonder what I could do with it..." EVEN IF WE'RE IN PEACE.

We have scientists who can do amazing things, but make a gun? Oh no, according to Zephyr, such a concept is alien to us!

You want me to clarify exactly what would be alien to us? UAV's. AC 130's. Nuke's. Jet cannons. Drone missiles. LMG's. Snipers.

Can they exist? Yes. would they be rare? Yes.

Never does the lore say, "THERE ARE NO GUNS WHATSOEVER HANDS DOWN."

BBeast said
Really? Did you read the collab?I think the collab explicitly states that both sides used bullets, and absolutely no mention of other firearms (aside from the RPGs).The argument for core guns being exclusive to the military while the gangs have to use the "basic" guns is unfounded. It is much easier to build a core gun, a length of pipe with a core in one end, a trigger mechanism and a stock to hold it, than it is to build a ballistic firearm, which is quite complex as it requires many moving parts. Zachary's primary weapon, as you've seen, is a wind cannon. It is little more than a length of pipe with a wind core in one end and a means to activate it. The only moving part is the trigger, and the most complicated part is the power supply (a battery and some capacitors to make it come out as a strong pulse). A conventional gun, on the other hand, has many moving parts which have to line up exactly or it will jam, especially in an automatic weapon. The only way around that is to use a musket or similar weapon instead, which again has no moving parts other than the trigger but at the cost of a very long manual reload time.By your logic, that the gangs can't get the good weapons, means that they'll be stuck with the core weapons (simple core weapons, of course) while military will be the only ones with access to assault rifles and RPGs. The Golden Mercenaries are like the military, so there's no problem with their kit, but you must be careful to not break the world you have made.

No no no no.

These guns don't work like earth guns either. Remember what you quoted from the OOC OP? How they use a fire core's energy to propel a bullet forward? How HARD could that be to make? I merely said that it wasn't shooting little bolts of fire, but rather, used the explosive energy of that fire to shoot the ballistic rounds. It's not that hard. Plasma rifles are the regular norm, and they are MUCH harder to make since they require core fusion to create plasma. On top of that, if you found a fire core, put it in a waterbottle, filled it up with bullets on top, and then activated bursts of the fire core's energy...

Oh no! An assault rifle!

You'd need a plasma weapon to cut through the tension.

Sage is correct, Even if at the start of the RP society had little to no guns other than the standard flint lock pistols. Core weaponry was most likely in testing phases.

Now we skip ahead a year, the world has literally gone to shit and the demand for advanced weaponry has risen substantially. IE: The military mass produced core weaponry that had only been in testing phases a year earlier, and now uses it as standard issue.

Gangs got a hold of some of it through a black market of some kind most likely, and the GM's probably have contacts within the military itself, or have some way of producing this equipment on sight. Either way the appearance of 'guns' is not really an issue.

The only real problem I have at the moment I have already stated prior to this post :).

I hope this helps resolve some issues :).