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Cracker ain't a cuss? Pretty sure that's a slur based on race. So, by extension, that's some textbook racism.


So you just ignored the middle part of that post, huh.
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Luckily we're using their poll aggregates, not anything else!


You are aware that the use of inaccurate and unreliable information processed into aggregate is going to give you an inaccurate result, correct?

The polls said the sitting President of the United States never would make the debates, never would get the Republican nomination, never would win the election, so on and so forth. Not only did the polls have it wrong, they had it staggeringly wrong. For example, once you account for the removal of all of the fraudulent votes as the investigation into voter reform is noting, the new numbers are showing that the Trump administration won the popular vote as well.

A) the alt left isn't a thing so no, your imaginary group isn't going to disavow anything.

B) What racism? In order for something to be racist it has to be backed by systemic oppression that's why fag is a cuss and cracker isnt.


So the "Alt-Left" is a boogieman meant to frighten voters, but the "Alt-Right" is not? Who again do Antifa represent? I forget which flag they fly, last I recall it was red, had a golden hammer and sickle on it. Other times it is black and red, some German-looking words on it. Call themselves the "black bloc" while fighting for communist and socialist values. They favor carrying clubs and other improvised weapons while dressing similar to the Islamic State. Some people in the media's talking head gallery prattling on about how they are "peaceful protesters" while they throw bottles and bricks at policemen. They seem to show up in every major city en masse. Something all to that nature or maybe it is just a mass collective hallucination.

And no, racism does not need to be backed by "systematic oppression" for it to be racism. Saying, "Where did the hurricane hit? Mostly whitefolks, yeah? Loads of white people? Good." is pretty explicit racism. The collective of people are being judged exclusively by their race. Not any individual qualities or merit. Race alone. That is textbook racism. "Systematic oppression" is newspeak and apparently there are some falling for it. You can be a race other than white and be entirely racist; it isn't some exclusive "white privilege".
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you know we've gone insane as a society when we're discussing how hurricanes are racist and racism in relation to the areas where hurricanes hit

that's some retarded shit
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So you just ignored the middle part of that post, huh.


Nah, friend, I read it. You're operating under the assumption that racism is only possible by way of systemic oppression, or more simply put that racism can only be enacted by those with systemic power. This is, by its nature, a theory. I happen to disagree with that theory.

By the absolute definition of racism, it is merely prejudice towards race. It's a difficult argument to make that cracker isn't racist.
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I suppose the standard is "by any means necessary" to get back at those you do not like now, @Odin. A hurricane at this point is just another tool, as are those tweets celebrating it "hurting white people". I am unsure how we found ourselves here to this, but in large I would have to agree society has become insane to an extent.
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Society has always been insane, the Internet simply granted us access.
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Also, before it becomes buried under the stormy conversations here, the President of the United States has a higher approval rating than President Emmanuel Macron, Prime Minister Theresa May, Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, and the Democratic Party of the United States. Yes, that President of the United States. The one who people scream, shout and rage against almost daily. There's plenty more proof beyond that, but it is worthy of mentioning here and now while the opportunity is fresh.
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A) the alt left isn't a thing so no, your imaginary group isn't going to disavow anything.

B) What racism? In order for something to be racist it has to be backed by systemic oppression that's why fag is a cuss and cracker isnt.


Literally Newspeak.

So what does that have to do with your argument? I'm not your keeper man, just because you wobble when you screw doesn't mean I'm suddenly going to apologize and accept your weird brand of conservatism. I'm not really sure why you brought it up. I'm sorry if I hurt you with my words.


You said the BBC isn't a reputable source (after I loosely compared it to MSNBC), then you went on to source 538, so..... I mean, at this point I don't feel like I could bury you any deeper even if I started arguing.

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I'm sorry if I hurt you with my words.


I actually am sorry if anyone's feelings for hurt.


I'm sorry I made you feel that way.


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They literally called themselves Alt-Right, it's a Crypto-fasc term they came up with themselves.

Like if we can't even agree the Alt-right called themselves the alt-right you guys are so separated from reality to the point where it's kind of baffling.

Literally Newspeak.

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You said the BBC isn't a reputable source (after I loosely compared it to MSNBC), then you went on to source 538, so..... I mean, at this point I don't feel like I could bury you any deeper even if I started arguing.


No I said you didn't have a leg to stand on which was a bit of a non sequitur to the statement as a whole. My point is your not looking at American news for American politics.
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No I said you didn't have a leg to stand on which was a bit of a non sequitur to the statement as a whole. My point is your not looking at American news for American politics.


Correct. I am not looking at American news for American politics, and I can't imagine one single goddamn reason why anybody should.

.....but sometimes I have to.
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On an unrelated note, please if you find a jump drive with your bosses name on it, Don't open it on your work computer and run "September Layoffs.pdf.exe"

Please? I'm going to be putting in a 14 hour day today.

E: I must be getting tired, this isn't the right place for this message, but I'm going to leave it.
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On an unrelated note, please if you find a jump drive with your bosses name on it, Don't open it on your work computer and run "September Layoffs.pdf.exe"

Please? I'm going to be putting in a 14 hour day today.

E: I must be getting tired, this isn't the right place for this message, but I'm going to leave it.


OOH UNRELATED NOTES FROM WORK! I wanna play.

So I started at my job about a year ago. My boss, at the time of my hiring, was fired roughly a week after I showed up for defrauding the government. Today I learned that over this last weekend he got scooped up by the cops for.... well think Pizzagate, it was kinda like pizzagate I guess. The moral is if you get super-weird vibes from someone, maybe trust your gut. Also watch out for your kids. Also kids, watch out for yourselves. Evil is real.
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OOH UNRELATED NOTES FROM WORK! I wanna play.

So I started at my job about a year ago. My boss, at the time of my hiring, was fired roughly a week after I showed up for defrauding the government. Today I learned that over this last weekend he got scooped up by the cops for.... well think Pizzagate, it was kinda like pizzagate I guess. The moral is if you get super-weird vibes from someone, maybe trust your gut. Also watch out for your kids. Also kids, watch out for yourselves. Evil is real.


Lmao. I'm still formatting computers this guy unplugged his keyboard to run this file, if it wasn't the boss's sun he'd be fired so fast.
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He had to unplug his keyboard because I sauter all the sun ports closed infosec 101 :p
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They literally called themselves Alt-Right, it's a Crypto-fasc term they came up with themselves.

Like if we can't even agree the Alt-right called themselves the alt-right you guys are so separated from reality to the point where it's kind of baffling.

No I said you didn't have a leg to stand on which was a bit of a non sequitur to the statement as a whole. My point is your not looking at American news for American politics.


The "deplorables" also call themselves Deplorables, a term invented and executed by the Left wing but adopted by the Right. The "Alt-Right" label is also a product of the Left wing. The conventional "Right" or Conservative story would not work, because you would alienate and mechanize more people against your message by branding half the country the "bad guys" - as we saw with the "basket of deplorables" turning a huge number of people away, the now infamous "Silent Majority". Calling them the "alternative right" was something they then embraced because they wanted to distance themselves from those they saw as failing, even now you can see people sling the "RINO" or "Republican in Name Only" acronym. You can further witness this with groups such as the Alt-Knights who are not only a parody of the phrase, given they were born form the internet, but an actual Right faction.

The real Alt-Right are not right wing at all; Nazism certainly is not a politically right ideology given its deeply socialist roots and fascism as a concept is on the authoritarian side of the Authoritarianism vs Liberty axis, having nothing to do with Conservatism. The same can be said for the Ku Klux Klan which had David Duke and Robert Byrd to name a few, both of whom are notable Democrats and have a strong Left wing history.

Also, throwing the term of "crypto-fasc" around is not going to get you far. Can you define this word or its use?
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The "deplorables" also call themselves Deplorables, a term invented and executed by the Left wing but adopted by the Right. The "Alt-Right" label is also a product of the Left wing. The conventional "Right" or Conservative story would not work, because you would alienate and mechanize more people against your message by branding half the country the "bad guys" - as we saw with the "basket of deplorables" turning a huge number of people away, the now infamous "Silent Majority". Calling them the "alternative right" was something they then embraced because they wanted to distance themselves from those they saw as failing, even now you can see people sling the "RINO" or "Republican in Name Only" acronym. You can further witness this with groups such as the Alt-Knights who are not only a parody of the phrase, given they were born form the internet, but an actual Right faction.

The real Alt-Right are not right wing at all; Nazism certainly is not a politically right ideology given its deeply socialist roots and fascism as a concept is on the authoritarian side of the Authoritarianism vs Liberty axis, having nothing to do with Conservatism. The same can be said for the Ku Klux Klan which had David Duke and Robert Byrd to name a few, both of whom are notable Democrats and have a strong Left wing history.

Also, throwing the term of "crypto-fasc" around is not going to get you far. Can you define this word or its use?


Why is it whenever we have a debate, I have to explain things to you?

Crypto-fascism is a pejorative term for the secret support for, or admiration of, fascism. The common usage is "crypto-fascist" or "crypto-fasc", one who practices this support. The term is used to imply that an individual or group keeps this support or admiration hidden to avoid political persecution or political suicide.

Also I think you need to learn more about the Nationalist-Socialists party history with socialism.
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Why is it whenever we have a debate, I have to explain things to you?

Crypto-fascism is a pejorative term for the secret support for, or admiration of, fascism. The common usage is "crypto-fascist" or "crypto-fasc", one who practices this support. The term is used to imply that an individual or group keeps this support or admiration hidden to avoid political persecution or political suicide.

Also I think you need to learn more about the Nationalist-Socialists party history with socialism.


Because your lexicon of newspeak and invented Leftist terminology is nothing but cover for the reality that you cannot argue your point. And can you point me to where Nazis are not nationalists, socialists and fascists?
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