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The Faction effectiveness dichotomy has never been something as severe as something as the type match ups of Pokemon or any other RPGs, but more of an edge to compile upon those you already posses. The Holy powers of most angels is effective against demons, obviously. Demons naturally warp the world around them with their corruptive influence, which is remarkably effective against the Machina if anyone can understand how catastrophic change a 1 to a 0 can be in even basic coding. Machina's advantage is in some regards the weakest, as it comes from resistance rather then increased lethality, against the angelic powers. An exorcism on an uppity coffee maker won't stop it from short changing you in the morning.

As for how this plays out in practice? That's a matter of how invested you are in utilizing tools attuned to the faction's specialty. A Machina picking up an advanced railgun is going to do well ignoring a barrier of magic, though if an Angel picks one up and shoots a demon it won't have the same value unless they go through some effort to consecrate the thing.


Ah, I see. So in theory, could any given faction make preparations in order to try to counteract their corresponding weaknesses? For instance, could Machina units implement safeguards against corruption in their coding, or demons develop a means of limiting the effectiveness of holy powers against them, that sort of thing?

If you ever heard of Planetside 2, then you can grasp the state of the Factions' capitals. They all exist in the same dimension and are in far off corners. They field vast armies battling along shifting borders, with the RP focusing on the more exceptional combatants in their own events. Now this means that they physically exist and can thus be entered, but what everyone seems to forget is that the capital of a militarized nation existing for the purpose of being militarized has fantastic security. Hell is self explanatory. The Machina are more obvious. And Heaven...well, you don't need to be a theoligist to understand how all the glitters are not gold.


I figured they'd all be heavily defended, not least by their extremely powerful rulers. Not so much that they all existed within the same dimension, but I suppose it works if you can't just teleport in guns blazing. That said, would each faction have their own additional dimensions to work within too, e.g. backup realms to fall back into if for some reason their capitals are completely overrun?

And there are the clearly biased Vassals who don't want someone to launch a nuke from Hyperion to Celestia, or the Angels to summon an eldritch horror of the divine and smite the underworld. So causing a ruckus is bound to make Iona, Hoho, Juno, or the Eel come down upon them.


That's fair. Since you mention them, what do the Vassals represent within the setting, aside from theoretically not getting involved in the faction war past preventing those cheap shots? Looking at Juno's title, for example, I gather she has some major role in the Nexus' metaphysics, though I'm not sure what exactly. Are they all personifications of concepts within the Nexus? Are the faction leaders all Vassals themselves?

The eyes are simple. Within the Nexus, they are a great power bestowed by the leaders or powers beyond them as a boon for exemplary service to their faction. They don't denote your destiny and they can be taken away, so it's just a high tier power up. Considering the Vassals are refraining from being active participants it would be hard to say where you could get them outside of the three leaders.


I suppose that's fair. I'm not sure how that meshes with the way they're described within the OP; does it not have anything to do with the user's inherent potential for using them? And with that in mind, what about stealing them from another bearer in some way, like physically pulling the Eyes out of their skulls or something? Though even if that were possible, I can imagine it'd be extremely difficult, given that the powers themselves are a huge advantage.

That's hard to discuss, in no small part to plans getting FUBARed along the way. I can't say more beyond the fate of the Happy Verse and whether that happens or not is tied to it.


I suppose it'll be difficult to ask more questions about that for now, then... though I don't suppose we happen to know if the Vassals have any relation to the Great Danger?
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Ah, I see. So in theory, could any given faction make preparations in order to try to counteract their corresponding weaknesses? For instance, could Machina units implement safeguards against corruption in their coding, or demons develop a means of limiting the effectiveness of holy powers against them, that sort of thing?


Not really. It's a fundamental aspect, like fire being a high temperature. It's more a wasted effort, playing to your weakness rather then a strength. But I should really re-iterate that these are only minor advantages and this line of inquiry has me thinking you're trying to develop someone seeking to exploit this when that's really not a wise idea.

I figured they'd all be heavily defended, not least by their extremely powerful rulers. Not so much that they all existed within the same dimension, but I suppose it works if you can't just teleport in guns blazing. That said, would each faction have their own additional dimensions to work within too, e.g. backup realms to fall back into if for some reason their capitals are completely overrun?


Nope, there is no fall back point.

That's fair. Since you mention them, what do the Vassals represent within the setting, aside from theoretically not getting involved in the faction war past preventing those cheap shots? Looking at Juno's title, for example, I gather she has some major role in the Nexus' metaphysics, though I'm not sure what exactly. Are they all personifications of concepts within the Nexus? Are the faction leaders all Vassals themselves?


Juno has two bodies. The human shaped one people interact with, and a massive serpent who is coiled around the entire Nexus and holds it together. People got to glimpse that a few battles ago. As Windel had said the Vassals were never intended to be as prevalent as they had been so most others aren't as relevant.

I suppose that's fair. I'm not sure how that meshes with the way they're described within the OP; does it not have anything to do with the user's inherent potential for using them? And with that in mind, what about stealing them from another bearer in some way, like physically pulling the Eyes out of their skulls or something? Though even if that were possible, I can imagine it'd be extremely difficult, given that the powers themselves are a huge advantage.


Your inclination determines the color eye you receive; As in a more violent and destructive person get's Gold while a more supportive or commanding person gets Silver. As for stealing them? Can't say.

I suppose it'll be difficult to ask more questions about that for now, then... though I don't suppose we happen to know if the Vassals have any relation to the Great Danger?


As I said before, plans have been FUBARed so often we literally can not say any more on the Great Danger.

Though all of these questions are superfluous at the moment, as one has to wonder what bearing they have on your character sheet. Capital Raiding, Colored Eyes, Vassals and Capital Raiding are really irrelevant subjects for a new character. Questions are nice and all but when you have no investment in the RP it's just raising concerns as to what kind of character you have brewing.
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I don't know about BC but I found the entire exchange fascinating from a scholarly point of view.
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I don't know about BC but I found the entire exchange fascinating from a scholarly point of view.


As do I, but leaving them as purely hypothetical when they could be expounded upon IC for the enrichment of the story makes the discourse ring a bit hollow for me. Untapped potential, you know? It's the bane of every GM to see something left only written across the OOC as it slips farther and farther away from being acted out IC.

I'm almost disappointed no one considered approaching a faction leader or finding a library / database / Rufus's Private Book Stash for such a discourse. Sure, Eos is aloof, but I figured someone would want to hear the story of the world from the Gospel of Deva. Though considering the last time Rufus was in Henry's home he nearly killed his dog with a chicken nugget, I can understand not asking him. Or Lucille. Or Ira. Definitely don't ask Dana. Though asking all four together could weave an interesting tapestry...except Dana, since she knows next to nada and would still lie about all that.

But anywho, I'm fine if BC has more questions, but really like a status update as to his CS.
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Not really. It's a fundamental aspect, like fire being a high temperature. It's more a wasted effort, playing to your weakness rather then a strength. But I should really re-iterate that these are only minor advantages and this line of inquiry has me thinking you're trying to develop someone seeking to exploit this when that's really not a wise idea.


Not "seeking to exploit", just pondering if it's possible. Though since you mention it, I could give my character a weapon that was originally developed with that purpose in mind, only for it to fail in that regard for all manner of reasons. It might be an interesting point to examine, at least.

Nope, there is no fall back point.


Now that does strike me as a touch odd. You'd think that'd be kind of important strategically speaking, but if the cities are practically impregnable anyway, I guess it doesn't matter so much.

Juno has two bodies. The human shaped one people interact with, and a massive serpent who is coiled around the entire Nexus and holds it together. People got to glimpse that a few battles ago. As Windel had said the Vassals were never intended to be as prevalent as they had been so most others aren't as relevant.


Ooh, interesting. I suppose more information won't be forthcoming for a while, then. Alas.

Your inclination determines the color eye you receive; As in a more violent and destructive person get's Gold while a more supportive or commanding person gets Silver. As for stealing them? Can't say.


Sounds about right.

As I said before, plans have been FUBARed so often we literally can not say any more on the Great Danger.


Alright, well, thank you for saying as much as you can anyway.

Though all of these questions are superfluous at the moment, as one has to wonder what bearing they have on your character sheet. Capital Raiding, Colored Eyes, Vassals and Capital Raiding are really irrelevant subjects for a new character. Questions are nice and all but when you have no investment in the RP it's just raising concerns as to what kind of character you have brewing.


I'll be honest, that seems like a fairly uninviting attitude to have. Like Silvan said, they're interesting topics from a scholarly point of view, rather than specifically how they're relevant IC; on that note, discussing them OOC doesn't by any means negate the possibility of characters discovering something about them IC, and in fact could spur players to drive their characters in that direction.

But anywho, I'm fine if BC has more questions, but really like a status update as to his CS.


He's very nearly done. At this point, it's basically just figuring out whether I've missed anything significant or not, maybe adding in the thing I suggested above. Don't worry, he should be ready very soon.
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Sorry, my tone was crass. I do enjoy your inquiries for the same reasons as Silvan, but my nerves have been a bit frayed by other RPers elsewhere. I've grown a bit jaded from people who can raise a great many questions but not follow through, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't give you and anyone else the benefit of the doubt.

Alas I'm turning into a bit of a guard dog, and it grew a little hard to differentiate between invigorating discourse and tedium. My apologizes.
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@Lonewolf685 Eh, don't worry about it. I like to think I have quite a good record with most of my recent games, so unless I wind up having some gigantic crisis very soon, you shouldn't have anything to worry about.
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Alas I'm turning into a bit of a guard dog, and it grew a little hard to differentiate between invigorating discourse and tedium. My apologizes.


*Looks at your profile picture*

You basically are one lol
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Also @LHudson and @Banana, I'll post for Mephilius later.
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And with that in mind, what about stealing them from another bearer in some way, like physically pulling the Eyes out of their skulls or something?


No.
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@TheWindel Sounds like a reasonable measure.
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If you folks are still accepting, I have a work-in-progress character sheet:



Thoughts? Anything that I could improve or needs changing?
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Just to let you and anyone else know, Juno is still in Celestia (usually). She's only grounded from taking place in normal battles. Just like Iona and Hohenheim. They can be talked to and or interested but just can't fight unless some good reason comes up.

If you want to know more about them or the setting itself, be our guest. We have lots and lots of ideas and lore that we never use because there are not many people seeking this info. Whether it's IC or OOC, we are glad to answer this kind of question, especially if it spurs interesting IC action.
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I'm just going to plop down an existing CS right here see what anyone thinks in relation the the work in progress.

I'm more amused then anything how similar concepts for characters keep popping up out of the blue :3

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I'll take a look at your character later, preferably once it's finished.
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@KoL@Lonewolf685@TheWindel Would Hell have a secretary/bureaucracy? I get the idea that it might be cool if there was one, but its only job was convince the lesser beings/slaves that there was an order to the madness, to reassure the weak who cling to structure to support themselves and that there is a path to advancement. When, really, if a stronger being decides to do something, no amount of laws and pieces of paper mean anything, and they will be slaves forever unless they become powerful. "Oh yes, you totally have earned with your hundred years of labor your building permit in order to live here on this nice beachfront property. But if Rufus wants to build a honeymoon castle there, that permit means all of nothing. The strong rule."

@Spiffy I'll try and get a post up during lunchbreak. Er, wait, nevermind, your post is directed at KoL. Good luck with the Queen.
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I suppose there can be one for lower levels of Hell; otherwise, not really.

@Spiffy

Speaking of which, you should know that there is no High Council of the Machina; there is only Queen Eos.
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@TheWindel I did not read anything about the politics of the Machina. All I saw was special roles. Could you elaborate on how things are run? Is it just queen says this and it happens?
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Is it just queen says this and it happens?


Yes. The closest you have to an actual government is Hell's newfound Team RILD.
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