Sorry for the double post but I wanted to make sure this wasn't missed. I'm curious about death in this game. More accurately about the soul. What happens to the soul if a demon kills a human or angel. What happens when a demon dies? Since there is necromancer I'm curious because I intended on strengthening my summons by taking the souls of the fallen. But maybe that would only work for demons.

The souls of demons and angels are indistinguishable from their body. Their bodies are only manifestations, hence eternal life. In-betweeners on the other hand have their soul within their body and that is released once they are killed.

If and Angel is slain, they will return to heaven. If a Demon is slain, they return to hell. At this point, the process of returning to the earth realm, even with the dimensional breaks, takes about a decade (unless summoned via contract).

When an in-betweener dies, their soul is trapped on another plane of existence here on Earth. Before the dimensional break down, souls would naturally gravitate towards Heaven or Hell, depending on how they lived their lives. With everything out of wack now, souls will stay stuck in limbo here on Earth until a demon or angel forcefully takes the soul back to their domain.

Does this answer your question?

@DragonofTheWest I would think that your character being an Angel (not needing Magic to preform miracles), would literally have no need for Magic. It feels kind of shoehorned in, if you get me? I mean, you're an archangel, divine fire is kind of just your thing. Its not "divine fire creating magic", its literally a part of what you are.

Also, the whole "origins unknown" thing is well and good, but you can't exactly be mysterious when God is around. He's kind of omniscient.

@DragonofTheWest I would think that your character being an Angel (not needing Magic to preform miracles), would literally have no need for Magic. It feels kind of shoehorned in, if you get me? I mean, you're an archangel, divine fire is kind of just your thing. Its not "divine fire creating magic", its literally a part of what you are.

Also, the whole "origins unknown" thing is well and good, but you can't exactly be mysterious when God is around. He's kind of omniscient.

I would have to disagree with you on some points there, if I may.

1) He can use the term magic if he pleases to describe his heavenly abilities. The word "magic" itself can mean any number of things, such as the google search result, "the power of apparently influencing the course of events by using mysterious or supernatural forces." His 'magic' completely falls within this description.

2) Let's also take a closer look at the "origins unknown" point. This is an exact tid-bit from his profile...

...a complete mystery even to most angels in heaven.

I believe the emphasis here is on "most angels". This implies that some angels do in fact know his origins, they are just few in number. And this most certainly implies that "god" would know, as he is admittedly "omniscient".

But don't take my criticism on your criticism to heart. We're all friends here!

I concede the point on the unknown origins, half because you agreed with me and half because it was mostly a writing annoyance rather than a character problem. However...

1) He can use the term magic if he pleases to describe his heavenly abilities. The word "magic" itself can mean any number of things, such as the google search result, "the power of apparently influencing the course of events by using mysterious or supernatural forces." His 'magic' completely falls within this description.

Ooh, a fight~

So, challenging the definition of the word magic doesn't really have any weight when that's not what we're arguing. The point of my post, if you'll read back, is that it's essentially just taped onto the character with the single existing justification being "includes divine fire which is an angel thing right guys".

To clarify, the direction I was going is as follows: Giving the character "Magic", instead of just making its applications an innate angel ability, cheapens the power. By comparing it to the mundane supernatural forces in-betweeners use, you are essentially normalizing angels. Achilles, as he is now, can do literally nothing unique. His last resort power, his final trump card, is literally just a fireball and some dank pushy pulls with his mind.

It's so <not cool>, my palate finds it offensive.

So I lobbied some constructive criticism in an attempt to possibly nudge our most western dragon into diversifying his world view a little. Because I genuinely don't want to see him not realize his character's full potential. It's painful.

That is all. How was I, everyone?

As for Angels and magic. I see as simply being at a higher level and also more naturally used. Fire for example. I feel that only extraordinary humans can get to some kind of middle tier fire and that is still capable of destroying kingdoms. but Sacred and Hellfire are Top Tier fire. that is innate for the race but at a low 1% are able to utilize it. or human might be able to achieve such a flame if they had assistance from an outside source.

As for origins. It just depends how Angels came to be. Do ancient heroes become angels if they reach a certain level of divinity through their achievements. So maybe when they ascend to be angels maybe some lose their memory. Or... perhaps him losing his memory is part of a bigger plan from God.

Those are my two cents anyways

Edit: Just noticed Black Alice's post. I have to agree on the lackluster power. I personally think that my summoner is a bit underpowered compared to your three's characters. I'll have to focus more on impressive summons and unique magical items to play with the big boys and girls.

Maybe make the sacred flame an actual living entity. Almost like a Guardian Angel for an Angel. Some kind of mystical life form that was gifted to Achilles from God.

I have to agree on the lackluster power. I personally think that my summoner is a bit underpowered compared to your three's characters. I'll have to focus more on impressive summons and unique magical items to play with the big boys and girls.

I mean, Margaret can barely boil tea with her magical power. She's probably the weakest Witch on the planet, outgunned by the five year old girls she teaches on her spare time. You can also just straight up punch her and she'll die.

Definitely the weakest character in the thread. 100%

@Black Alice@Weed@DragonofTheWest

I believe that everyone has brought up some great points regarding Dragon's character. I see exactly where you are coming from. Ultimately though, it is up to Dragon as to how he will utilize the information. His character meets all the requirements. Whether he wants to consider outside suggestion, is completely his prerogative. We will support him in any choice that he makes.

I do see a new well thought out question, from Weed. In-betweeners can become angel's or demons, just as easily as angels and demons can switch sides. The only thing that cannot happen naturally is a demon or angel turning back into an in-betweener. There would have to be some SERIOUS divine intervention to make something like that happen, specifically "god" or "satan" willing it to be so. On that note, no one in this RP (not even myself) has the right to act on behalf of either of these two opposing forces.

@Black Alice

Knowledge is power. And i can't see anyone, so far, more knowledgeable than Margeret. Gerard is specialized in summons but she might still know more about it than he does. And this guy is a summoning otaku <chuckles>.

@GreenGoat

Nice first post! Would you care to dedicate a post to the Slums? Whenever you get the chance of course.

You can model it after my "downtown" area.

I want to state for everyone I'm not really on anyone's side. Gerard is simply interested in his collection. He would probably offer his services to either side, for a fee.

I was trying to figure how to be enemies with the forces of heaven. I figure at least they would be wary if not all out hostile towards my bound demons. And might not be pleased with my bound angels.
Or maybe if I die all those bound to me are set free. That actually sounds pretty fun.

I haven't sorted out some parts of my summoning mechanic, but I'm trying to level up or evolve those that are bound to me. Otherwise I would have a hard time believing I could use weak summons to defeat much more powerful beings.

Only abstract ideas I have is that the strength of my spirit equates to +x enhancement to my summons. Also thinking that meditating and trying to strengthen my spirit would help with improving my contracted beings strength as well as the capability to bind stronger beings.

I think insight have to add debuffing skills as well to give my summons an advantage.

Any opinions or ideas on if I'm on the right track with these ideas?

I dont know. Being able to bind demons and angels sounds perfectly fine already. imo at least ^^;

@Weed

It's all good mate. However you wanna go about it is fine by me. Balthazar may be interested in hiring your services in the future. :)

@Weed Um, I take offence to the comment about weak summons. My primary minion is literally an egg with attitude. That's it, that's their power.

Also umm... did you read the part about me trapping demons in my pot for all of eternity? And then putting their souls in eggs to fight for me? If anything though, Angels would be all about enslaving their enemies. Especially if you're not actually sinning in the process.

And about bound Angels...

@Black Alice

<chuckles> I do recall your eggs. But I'm imagining quite a lot of them. More than can be counted. I have this inkling that they have special abilities from their original source. I see you eggs as a disposable force (correct me if I'm wrong).

Gerard is a collector and and wishes to bring all creatures (mostly just his summons) to the next level of their power/evolution. I actually need to add more information to my items and skills. I need to collect some Angels of Virtue and Demons of Sin. <sighs> a collector's job is never done

Yay~! White is finished her sheet, and all is good with the world.

I created my character!

Sorry for the delay; irl things came up. I tried to make them the sort of character designed to fight people much stronger than them.

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@Balthazar007@GreenGoat@thewizardguy@Weed@LuckyBlackCat@Hannibal@DragonofTheWest@Puffhead@Black Alice

If anyone hasn't gotten their sheet up yet, I think we need more Demons especially, along with some Angels and maybe some technology based people.

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Now that we have a General for Heaven and two neutral factions(My Church, and B Alice's Witches) that tolerate or like Heaven, perhaps we should strategize on how to take back the city? This applies to other interested neutrals as well.

Sure. She doesn't like angels coming in willy nilly either, but theyre not actively eating people, so theres that.

Hello folks. Seems like a pretty interesting idea; I'm willing to give this RP a bit of a crack (if it is still open for applications, that is).

I'm currently leaning towards apping as an Angel - specifically (if one follows the old manuscript 'De Coelesti Hierarchia') an Exoucia.

Hello folks. Seems like a pretty interesting idea; I'm willing to give this RP a bit of a crack (if it is still open for applications, that is).

I'm currently leaning towards apping as an Angel - specifically (if one follows the old manuscript 'De Coelesti Hierarchia') an Exoucia.

Cool beans! Welcome. Create your character. Let me know when your done. If it's solid enough, it will be approved. I'm not that picky, so don't worry much on it.

@White Alice

Awesome character! I've linked it into the opening OOC post. You're ready to join the IC world as soon as you like. :)

P.S. Balthazar can't wait to turn Zephiel to the dark side. She will be a valuable servant. Mwahaha!