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@MigyudonI'll allow Paracelsus as long as you keep in mind what I said about him. I will keep it in check.

He also needs a master so either one of the people who volunteered to do so need to come up with someone, or you do.
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@vancexentan In terms of the skills and the Noble Phantasm, it said on her page that as a Berserker her Noble Phantasm was the one that I put up, not the one you're telling me. And for the skills, I literally went through the Skill list and searched all her Berserker skills. Is that still wrong?
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I'm pretty positive. The skill set you have listed is for base lancer Rin/Hakuno/Grand Order Elizabeth. Melilianlth (spelling?) Berserker Liz had those listed as her skills right under the first box in her statistics page.
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@vancexentan Alright, if you say so. I'll get to changing it after doing some homework.
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@Tenma TendoAlright then answer this: What do I get, the gm, out of telling you a bunch of trumped up stuff about Elizabeth that I wouldn't get out of just telling you 'no you can't have that'? Because from my point of view right now you're sounding like I'm misleading you for some daft reason because my comment should clearly show that I copied, and pasted that directly from the wiki with all of those extra brackets and such.
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@vancexentan Whoa, dude. I wasn't trying to come off like I thought you were giving me misleading information. If I did, then i really do apologize; I was just trying to let you know that I would change it later.
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Alright internet speak makes it hard to differentiate when people are being sarcastic, or not I apologize myself for taking it hte wrong way.
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I don't mean to be a pest since I am just some random Guest passing through and as such don't really have the right to comment on what is going on in this Forum, but how come Jeanne is so overpowered despite being degraded to a Saber Class and no longer being a Ruler?

Starting with her Status Parameters, how come her Mana and Agility ranks are at a full A despite none of her legend or significant feats reflecting on this maxed stat? While her Mana stat is arguably easiest to explain since her piety alone was enough to boost her Magic Resistance Rank to an impressive EX Rank, thus justifying that she might have a more potent Mana stat, her Agility is on par with Lancers and Assassins despite being a Saber. Not saying that a Saber having A Rank Agility is unheard of, but considering that there is no tale that praises her speed or reflexes, I find it odd that it is elevated to such a high Rank. Personally I would have her Agility Rank adjust to the her new Servant Vessel of Saber and lower it to B. Even with this single decrease in Rank to a single one of her Stats, she is still one of the most formidable Sabers out there when looking at her Stats alone, but seeing as she is no longer a Ruler I believe that she is bound to suffer from a downgrade. In fact, the only reason why I believe she wouldn't be downgraded more is because of her top-tier fame, yet by keeping her Stats identical from Ruler to Saber it only cheapens the unparalleled might that is supposed to be the Ruler Class. Not saying they can't be beaten by normal Servants, but the Ruler Class is clearly one step above the rest.

In any case, moving onto her Skills. How come she has so many of them?
With a total of 6 Personal Skills she has more abilities than Gilgamesh has swords, some of which she arguably doesn't qualify for. Let me go through them one by one.
Mana Burst (Flames) - Seeing as she is a Saber based on her self before she was burned on the stake, thus denying her access to her self-sacrificial Noble Phantasm La Pucelle, I don't see why she would still have access to an ability that draws on the very flames that killed her. If I understand correctly she is an existence akin to to a "Lily" character that is a younger interpretation of a given Servant, more often than not depriving them of skills or abilities they might have had in their later life. As such, since Saber Lily does not wield Excalibur, I don't see why Jeanne should be allowed to draw from her future self for abilities.
Revelation - This is a Ruler Class Skill. It is very unlikely for any Servant to have this Skill especially if there is not a single tale or myth that goes along with it. If she had anecdotes attributing the ability of mind-reading to her it might be somewhat justifiable, but even then, putting it at a Rank as high as A is rather optimistic.
As for the other Skills you've listed, while she certainly qualifies for them all, Servant Vessels are limited. If not, every single Servant would be running around with 10 or more Personal Skills and just as many Noble Phantasms. While there are certainly exceptions to the rule, 6 Personal Skills is a bit too ambitious. I realise it is almost impossible to choose from this list of Skills since all seem to fit perfectly, but if you don't, you might as well add 5 more onto that list while you're at it.

So yeah, if I came across as being an asshole I apologise for my brazen behaviour... though I guess that this doesn't really excuse the fact that I was rather rude.
I just happened to stumble across this RP and browsed through it out of curiosity, and the fact that Saber Jeanne seemed no different at all from Ruler Jeanne just caught my eye so I wanted to comment on that, maybe even get an explanation out of you to scratch my curious itch.
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I won't abuse it, I swear. <3

Also, if I end up making my own master, it'll be a whole new ballgame and I might need help again. ;; Sorry
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@vancexentanNot sure what I made but its completed for the most part before the critiques have been given.

He's more of a politician that will be dancing around this Grail War, however, if push comes to shove then he can defend himself to an degree. His weakness is against targets who are resistant to magecraft, possess a strong mentality, and have mystery which are essentially the three criteria that make up the upper echelon of Servants. In exchange, he is more compatible to the mundane opponents that will be there but his stats as an Assassin balances him whenever it isn't cloaks and daggers.



If its easier, just PM me the details that you wish to discuss and we can talk them over. This OC went a bit bigger than I originally planned once it got rolling... As for my Assassin's Master, I plan to make a character that is as close to being a pacifist as one can in a Holy Grail War that will make the dynamic for Assassin to take on a diplomatic role. (Or if someone wishes to make a Master in this stereotype/role then just tell me~ I won't mind if you make this character yours with your own twists and turns!)
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@CrystalAppleGuile and Subterfuge shouldn't give an effect like Mind's Eye. Emiya, a counter guardian and extremely talented assassin himself, only has the skill available at B. While it comes with the handicap that they must be observed Assassin is purposely not going into a fight. While it is debateable if a skill like that should be part of a multi-subset skill then it should be at D, or C-.

As for the noble phantasm what does it do exactly? You have a great amount of detail but it doesn't exactly spell out what it does. More over I'm not comfortable with the notion of changing someone's legend. From what I'm looking at it it basically hand cuffs any servant that isn't divine, or Saber/Lancer/Rider which all three can be undone by simply managing to get close to, or using it on their master.
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@XmasForJuanAs a matter of fact I do find this rude you could've brought this up in pm. It's quite clear you're not interested in joining this rp so that would've been a better alternative. However I believe myself to be a fair person so I'll throw my reasonings out there.

Ruler Jeanne has command seals, and can enforce her will on other individuals. She can also find out their names because of that class. Revelation is on her because of religious context backing her. Instinct does not go with Jeanne from my point of view, and there is no other suitable replacement for a skill that gives advice from god. Jeanne was known for using her 'wisdom from god' to turn the tide of war in France.

Saber is also considered the 'best' class in the holy war as stated multiple times in both Fate/Zero, and Stay Night. I believe it is also in many forms of media however I can't think of other examples off the top of my head at twelve at night. Jeanne herself isn't renown to be as fast as her statistic but her legend is renown around the world enough to give her a boost to that height. Most of her skills are taken directly from the ruler's wiki, and downgraded. As for her mana burst flame, and her status she is not a Lily. This is not Jeanne before she joined the military. This was Jeanne from the war but still aware of where her legend vaguely ends up at not unlike Alexander, or Giles. I would also throw Gilgamesh into that line but Kid Gil cheats with multiversal clairvoyance in the shape of a noble phantasm. More to the point the mana burst flame is a specific reference to her burning. While not the specific saint figure that burnt at the cross it is a key part of her legend. Having Jeanne without some reference to her burning in my opinion is out of place.

As for the mass amount of skills it is to make up for her lack of skill as a swordsman. In exchange for being a rather average, at best, swordsman her skills are meant to build up, and allow her to tank blows more efficiently. Revelation in combination with her other skills allow her to be a serious threat while still keeping up a strong defense. Without instinct of revelation she's a flag bearer poorly suited for this roleplay's saber role. As she is she plays a tank role essentially. This character has also received feedback from other players before. If for some reason the others wanted Jeanne gone, along with the various interesting conflicts that would appear because of her chosen red faction counterpart, then Lancelot Saber would've been present, or someone else.

With that being said if you have no further interest in this roleplay please do not reply to this. Send a pm if you must but you are disrupting a roleplay.
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Here are my two characters. Berserker is done, and everything except for the rest of the biography is completed. I just wanted to make sure if my spells were okay?
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For Guile and Subterfuge I looked at Chevalier d'Eon as a basis of what Assassin could do and decided to improve on it as compensation for the lack of combat capabilities. Along side the fact that it is Assassin specialty in acting such an area, I thought it would be fine giving base-line [ B Rank ] in that skill to him that could improve originally.

If that is not fine, then I am okay with making it at maximum be [ B Rank ] and become another skill that has a different rank within combat that suffers a decrease in rank to [ C Rank ] until he studies them. Allowing the skill to be raised back to its original value since he is intended to be more of a socialite along with the fact its based off on [ Human Observation ]. Making this skill rank to be a maximum of [ B- ] situationally and knock off the parameter decrease. Thoughts?









Hopefully thats a good enough explanation, it took me some brain storming to spit out English rather than Nasu-talk. If this doesn't suffice then I can make it more concise and take out the fluff, so just tell me if you need it ^^ Sorry if everything is a bit confusing, Fate series does that to me!
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@Tenma TendoYour character's backstory needs to expanded upon especially considering he's a eastern mage. The London Clocktower primarily deals in western magecraft. Is there any reason they specifically went out of their way to pick a young man like him over the numerous other more experienced magi out there aside from his absurd natural magical talent?

@CrystalApple I'll bury the hatchet and just let you keep the mind's eye thing at B rank which is C until studied. In my personal opinion it shouldn't be there but I'll give you some leeway.

However I'm still not sold on her being able to alter the memories of the people, or erase them. It basically could be used to cripple Red Faction the second any of their members makes a mistake. It also allows Assassin to basically force plot points of the storyline otherwise they'd be given nothing from their noble phantasm. On one hand it may even lead one of the enemy masters to flat out turn on Grey. I won't reveal why because it'd be a spoiler but the moment he/she loses the reason for why they're fighting for Grey is the moment they ask themselves 'why am I helping these people? They're not in my moral spectrum', and thus inerts one of Red's prime mages. The reason you're trying to give is for members of our faction, since you don't know the enemy faction as of yet, but for the most part red faction operates more on the aggressive side.

If you take out the memory wiping, and just have him deal magical 'stab' damage against enemies (as long as it's not automatically fatal) along with the healing factor I'll be fine with it. As while it sounds good on paper for assassin in the line of the plot it could be used to irreparably damage red faction if he can find the enemy masters. Because if I accept this how it is then I'm going to have to try to roll around with the fact that assassin is capable of taking out memories which is one of a handful of reasons canon Jack the Ripper is not allowed besides her (jack's) instant kill phantasm.
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I'll bury the hatchet and just let you keep the mind's eye thing at B rank which is C until studied. In my personal opinion it shouldn't be there but I'll give you some leeway.

Hmmm, upon further debating on myself I just decided to lower the rankings to what you suggested earlier which makes sense for Assassin. So in the end it will be [ D Rank ] at base line that has the possibility of becoming [ C Rank ] in combat after studying.



If you take out the memory wiping, and just have him deal magical 'stab' damage against enemies (as long as it's not automatically fatal) along with the healing factor I'll be fine with it.

Okay that sounds fine, I'll just need to cut some things from what I originally put and adjust a little. In the end, the memory thing is removed~



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Alright I'll allow Assassin through.
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Alright it's been awhile who are we waiting for exactly? It's hard to keep track on here.
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@vancexentanI've gotta finish my master. I think it's mostly masters we're waiting on, actually.
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@ManyThingsI believe that is the case I'm not sure exactly what the others are doing but it seems like people are dragging their feet from my perspective. It took me one, maybe two days to finish that Jeanne sheet from the rp I made that for. It's been almost two weeks though and we're lacking a good portion of finished CS's.
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