[OOC] Fate/Crimson Dusk - War of Light, Grey, and Dark

[vancexentan]

@MigyudonI'll allow Paracelsus as long as you keep in mind what I said about him. I will keep it in check.

He also needs a master so either one of the people who volunteered to do so need to come up with someone, or you do.

[Tenma Tendo]

@vancexentan In terms of the skills and the Noble Phantasm, it said on her page that as a Berserker her Noble Phantasm was the one that I put up, not the one you're telling me. And for the skills, I literally went through the Skill list and searched all her Berserker skills. Is that still wrong?

[vancexentan]

I'm pretty positive. The skill set you have listed is for base lancer Rin/Hakuno/Grand Order Elizabeth. Melilianlth (spelling?) Berserker Liz had those listed as her skills right under the first box in her statistics page.

[Tenma Tendo]

@vancexentan Alright, if you say so. I'll get to changing it after doing some homework.

[vancexentan]

@Tenma TendoAlright then answer this: What do I get, the gm, out of telling you a bunch of trumped up stuff about Elizabeth that I wouldn't get out of just telling you 'no you can't have that'? Because from my point of view right now you're sounding like I'm misleading you for some daft reason because my comment should clearly show that I copied, and pasted that directly from the wiki with all of those extra brackets and such.

[Tenma Tendo]

@vancexentan Whoa, dude. I wasn't trying to come off like I thought you were giving me misleading information. If I did, then i really do apologize; I was just trying to let you know that I would change it later.

[vancexentan]

Alright internet speak makes it hard to differentiate when people are being sarcastic, or not I apologize myself for taking it hte wrong way.

[XmasForJuan]

I don't mean to be a pest since I am just some random Guest passing through and as such don't really have the right to comment on what is going on in this Forum, but how come Jeanne is so overpowered despite being degraded to a Saber Class and no longer being a Ruler?

Starting with her Status Parameters, how come her Mana and Agility ranks are at a full A despite none of her legend or significant feats reflecting on this maxed stat? While her Mana stat is arguably easiest to explain since her piety alone was enough to boost her Magic Resistance Rank to an impressive EX Rank, thus justifying that she might have a more potent Mana stat, her Agility is on par with Lancers and Assassins despite being a Saber. Not saying that a Saber having A Rank Agility is unheard of, but considering that there is no tale that praises her speed or reflexes, I find it odd that it is elevated to such a high Rank. Personally I would have her Agility Rank adjust to the her new Servant Vessel of Saber and lower it to B. Even with this single decrease in Rank to a single one of her Stats, she is still one of the most formidable Sabers out there when looking at her Stats alone, but seeing as she is no longer a Ruler I believe that she is bound to suffer from a downgrade. In fact, the only reason why I believe she wouldn't be downgraded more is because of her top-tier fame, yet by keeping her Stats identical from Ruler to Saber it only cheapens the unparalleled might that is supposed to be the Ruler Class. Not saying they can't be beaten by normal Servants, but the Ruler Class is clearly one step above the rest.

In any case, moving onto her Skills. How come she has so many of them?
With a total of 6 Personal Skills she has more abilities than Gilgamesh has swords, some of which she arguably doesn't qualify for. Let me go through them one by one.
Mana Burst (Flames) - Seeing as she is a Saber based on her self before she was burned on the stake, thus denying her access to her self-sacrificial Noble Phantasm La Pucelle, I don't see why she would still have access to an ability that draws on the very flames that killed her. If I understand correctly she is an existence akin to to a "Lily" character that is a younger interpretation of a given Servant, more often than not depriving them of skills or abilities they might have had in their later life. As such, since Saber Lily does not wield Excalibur, I don't see why Jeanne should be allowed to draw from her future self for abilities.
Revelation - This is a Ruler Class Skill. It is very unlikely for any Servant to have this Skill especially if there is not a single tale or myth that goes along with it. If she had anecdotes attributing the ability of mind-reading to her it might be somewhat justifiable, but even then, putting it at a Rank as high as A is rather optimistic.
As for the other Skills you've listed, while she certainly qualifies for them all, Servant Vessels are limited. If not, every single Servant would be running around with 10 or more Personal Skills and just as many Noble Phantasms. While there are certainly exceptions to the rule, 6 Personal Skills is a bit too ambitious. I realise it is almost impossible to choose from this list of Skills since all seem to fit perfectly, but if you don't, you might as well add 5 more onto that list while you're at it.

So yeah, if I came across as being an asshole I apologise for my brazen behaviour... though I guess that this doesn't really excuse the fact that I was rather rude.
I just happened to stumble across this RP and browsed through it out of curiosity, and the fact that Saber Jeanne seemed no different at all from Ruler Jeanne just caught my eye so I wanted to comment on that, maybe even get an explanation out of you to scratch my curious itch.

[Migyudon]

@vancexentan

I won't abuse it, I swear. <3

Also, if I end up making my own master, it'll be a whole new ballgame and I might need help again. ;; Sorry

[CrystalApple]

@vancexentanNot sure what I made but its completed for the most part before the critiques have been given.

He's more of a politician that will be dancing around this Grail War, however, if push comes to shove then he can defend himself to an degree. His weakness is against targets who are resistant to magecraft, possess a strong mentality, and have mystery which are essentially the three criteria that make up the upper echelon of Servants. In exchange, he is more compatible to the mundane opponents that will be there but his stats as an Assassin balances him whenever it isn't cloaks and daggers.

Assassin

Appearance

Assassin

Theme Song

Alias:
"Old Man of the Mountain"
"Hassan of Depravity"

Alignment:
Lawful Neutral

Servant of:

Weapon(s):
His Voice is the most prominent weapon he uses that most wouldn't suspect upon meeting him first
Formally trained in daggers and other small blades for any of the unsavory business that he does
Practical hand-to-hand combat as carrying a weapon in court isn't a good way to incite trust

Wish:
Assassin's wish is to figure themselves out to see whether if they should repent their sins (But this wish should not be granted through the use of the Grail unless something changes)

Abilities:
None

Class Skills:

Class Skills

Independent Action (A) - As a figure who always worked alone, it is not surprising for Assassin to take action without their Master. Moving through the shadows to set up a web of lies and deceit, it is a skill necessary for someone who schemes such plans and ideas. At this rank, it is possible for them to last a week in this world without any anchor but this is without taking account of any other method of sustaining oneself.

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Presence Concealment (B+) - At this rank, it is suitable for Assassin to spy on others. However, the skill is tailored more for Assassin to be seen while disguising their presence as a Servant, resulting in receiving an increase in rank to [ A+ Rank ] for this skill when used that way. With Assassin hiding essentially in plain sight, it prevents most identification from the senses of Servants unless they have other skills to say otherwise. Allowing Assassin to be seen as a normal person but it still retains the same limitations for when preparations to attack are made, the efficiency of this skill decreases to [ C Rank ].

The only exception to this is when Assassin uses Sound-based techniques. With the way that Assassin uses these attacks, it requires the target being [ willing to listen ] and [ not be cautious or wary ] of Assassin. If these two requirements are met, Assassin can use sound-based techniques to their fullest against them that would not register as 'harmful' or 'suspicious' to them that would normally out Assassin.

Personal Skills:

Personal Skills

Espionage (A++) // So long as Assassin does not reveal their true nature or intentions on purpose, it is impossible to discern any hostility or alternative motive from them. With the combination of skills that Assassin has, the ability to detect their nature as a Servant or intentions are close to zero unless their opponents is able to see through it in some way. This skill is lost, however, when attacking a target under this effect and is permanently ineffective for that individual unless something were to change that.

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Mesmerizing Presence (A) // A skill brought on from [ Self Modification ] that was intended less for combat and more for one's own appearance, resulting in Assassin to be simply charming to say the least. Its drawback is that the changes are permanent but allows him to manifest his appearance as a strong mental interference magecraft-like effect on others. With even his mundane actions being enchanted with poise that he simply has to him, it is becomes more prominent when exerting the specialized talents he has with his voice and movement if he so desires. One could call this a captivating force of personality and gravitas that surrounds Assassin that draws people to him. While partial evasion is possible with [ Magic Resistance ], as a skill surrounding his personality affecting others, a skill like [ Charisma ] or any other mental pollution could provide defense against this ability.

However, even without [ Charisma ] or any other protection, one can abate it to some extent so long they maintain a will to resist. Those who willingly fall prey to this skill receive a negative debuff when trying to resist this skill unless something otherwise changes it. At its core, this skill cannot go against the fundamental beliefs that an individual has but can try to persuade them over time, with the results varying, against the most fool hardy individual it can reaffirm their own beliefs even. Magical damage and effects can be transferred through his actions and even his words that latches onto them, being entirely focused on mental interference. It is a skill incompatible to improving on Assassin's physicality due to his focus unless converting ranks to [ Self Modification ] from this skill with partial efficiency.

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Guile and Subterfuge (B+) // A skill that Assassin had picked up during the years that they operated, moving through the many different courts and echelon of power made them accustomed to the many different natures of people. With eyes in every shadow and tongues carefully held, they learned the unspoken language that people communicated even if they didn't recognize. It is a more sophisticated version of [ Human Observation ] that came from the training granted to Assassin allowed insight not only during combat but outside of it as well. Upon studying an individual for a day, Assassin gains [ Eye of the Mind (True) ] against them at [ A Rank ] and treats their physical parameters as one lower for Assassin so long it is not directly contested. If preparations for this skill is not met for a Servant or individual, the buff they have against them does not trigger and their [ Eye of the Mind (True) ] is kept the same rank as this skill.

Outside of combat this skill also as the [ Instinct ] skill when navigating social and diplomatic conversation. If the individual has not been studied before hand by Assassin, this skill becomes [ C Rank ] , that allows Assassin to roughly feel the way of how a conversation is going. Allowing him to get a general feel of the intentions of those that he is conversing with during this period of intermission between them. Should Assassin complete the criteria of studying his opponents before speaking to them, this skill increases to [ B Rank ] which allows an even finer sense of the flow between him and the conversation that is happening. Giving him the chance to preemptively change his own tone and responses to elicit the result that he desires or try getting as close to it as possible with this skill. After studying his target, it allows some capability to pass through mental defenses a person may have such as [ Mad Enchantment ] or [ Mental Pollution ] and have some understanding to a degree. Should any of his techniques of mental interference be used against opponents with these unstable mental states, unsavory and twisted results may occur for Assassin should he risk it.

Base Parameters:
Strength: (筋力, Kinryoku?): D
Endurance: (耐久, Taikyū?): D
Agility: (敏捷, Binshō?): B
Magical Power: (魔力, Maryoku?): C
Good luck: (幸運, Kōun?): E
Noble Phantasm: (宝具, Hōgu?): A

Noble Phantasm:

Noble Phantasm

Name:
Zanbanyia [ Ichor of the Reverie - To Act with One's Heart, Mind, and Soul ]

Quote:
"Ssshhhh... Take a moment won't you? Let go of the weight that you burden yourself with and close your eyes."

Rank:
C++

Type:
Anti-Unit

Range:
1-10

Description:
Compared to No Name Assassin's application of this Noble Phantasm, there is more depth to it than being simply being the assassination technique for Hassan of Depravity. It can be said that her usage of this Noble Phantasm showed the inadequacy of her inheriting the title of [ Old Man of the Mountain ] but who are they to judge?

A similar technique to The Hundred-Faced Hassan in more ways than one, it was an inborn quality of Assassin that they had, but what is useful of a beautiful voice for a person who killed for their entire life? Not to mention what would make it worthy enough for the others to accept it as an technique suitable of being named [ Zanbaniya ] and compete with the others. The answer would be through a method only they would be able to do, a technique that utilized the soul of Assassin to not only harm but heal, it can be thought to be similar in a way to Spiritual Healing and Material Transformation.

This Noble Phantasm is a technique that opens the doorway to the 'soul' using the body as a medium. Being a two way relationship, the connection between Assassin and their target can be said to be very intimate with what it entails. As the soul is the record of a person at their core, Assassin if given time can read through the entire history of a person through this medium and if so desired, could alter it to affect their physical body. It is a powerful enough technique to even scramble the Magic Circuits of those who possesses them in a short time as seen when [ No Name Assassin ] used them and when specifically directed Servants, could bring them down to their knees. By altering the records that are pertained in a person's soul or the history in a object, the body that they are reside in are also affected by this fundamental change in their being. The reverse can be said that the foundations that a person is built on can also be reinforced upon that solidifies their existence or purpose that can change their capabilities.

Giving it the capabilities to potentially ignore the preset qualities of the flesh and body, it instead becomes harder to impose change on a object that is resistant to magecraft or have a substantial amount of mystery behind them that makes it incompatible to this Noble Phantasm. Making it possible be resisted with [ Magic Resistance ] to reject the attempted change or something like [ Divinity ] which offers resistances as they become less human. Making this Noble Phantasm working more against mundane opponents like humans or if they are servants, wraiths such as Assassin himself and those closer to modern day who lack substantial mystery.

In the right situations however, these setbacks can be mitigated with several criteria that can be met which improves the effectiveness of this Noble Phantasm if Assassin has the chance. It first starts off at [ C Rank ] with its potency, but allows multiple targets to be effected at the same time in exchange for the potency of the change. Should it target a single entity, the effectiveness of this Noble Phantasm increases by a single rank to [ B Rank ] as there is more precision and dedication involved to achieving the desired change but now limited in targets that it can affect. The final criteria which can allow Assassin to be at his full capabilities is when he touches another person's body which allows the most intimate connection. Allowing this Noble Phantasm to increase another rank to a maximum of [ A Rank ] that gives Assassin the opening should the conditions align.

The final limitation that this Noble Phantasm has is the chant that comes beforehand to use it, fitting into the magecraft system of being a Ten-Count aria. It is a form of self-hypnosis to acquire the potent effects of this Noble Phantasm but can change depending on what Assassin wishes to do. As the aria to cause harm is different to healing someone or changing the principal of an object/entity that is being targeted which allows Assassin to seamlessly blend it into conversation with his finesse so long as the depth in them are true. If this step is not followed, the maximum potential for this Noble Phantasm to reach would be a measly [ C Rank ] in the capabilities that is able to do.

True Name:

True Name

Hassan-i-sabbah

If its easier, just PM me the details that you wish to discuss and we can talk them over. This OC went a bit bigger than I originally planned once it got rolling... As for my Assassin's Master, I plan to make a character that is as close to being a pacifist as one can in a Holy Grail War that will make the dynamic for Assassin to take on a diplomatic role. (Or if someone wishes to make a Master in this stereotype/role then just tell me~ I won't mind if you make this character yours with your own twists and turns!)

[vancexentan]

@CrystalAppleGuile and Subterfuge shouldn't give an effect like Mind's Eye. Emiya, a counter guardian and extremely talented assassin himself, only has the skill available at B. While it comes with the handicap that they must be observed Assassin is purposely not going into a fight. While it is debateable if a skill like that should be part of a multi-subset skill then it should be at D, or C-.

As for the noble phantasm what does it do exactly? You have a great amount of detail but it doesn't exactly spell out what it does. More over I'm not comfortable with the notion of changing someone's legend. From what I'm looking at it it basically hand cuffs any servant that isn't divine, or Saber/Lancer/Rider which all three can be undone by simply managing to get close to, or using it on their master.

[vancexentan]

@XmasForJuanAs a matter of fact I do find this rude you could've brought this up in pm. It's quite clear you're not interested in joining this rp so that would've been a better alternative. However I believe myself to be a fair person so I'll throw my reasonings out there.

Ruler Jeanne has command seals, and can enforce her will on other individuals. She can also find out their names because of that class. Revelation is on her because of religious context backing her. Instinct does not go with Jeanne from my point of view, and there is no other suitable replacement for a skill that gives advice from god. Jeanne was known for using her 'wisdom from god' to turn the tide of war in France.

Saber is also considered the 'best' class in the holy war as stated multiple times in both Fate/Zero, and Stay Night. I believe it is also in many forms of media however I can't think of other examples off the top of my head at twelve at night. Jeanne herself isn't renown to be as fast as her statistic but her legend is renown around the world enough to give her a boost to that height. Most of her skills are taken directly from the ruler's wiki, and downgraded. As for her mana burst flame, and her status she is not a Lily. This is not Jeanne before she joined the military. This was Jeanne from the war but still aware of where her legend vaguely ends up at not unlike Alexander, or Giles. I would also throw Gilgamesh into that line but Kid Gil cheats with multiversal clairvoyance in the shape of a noble phantasm. More to the point the mana burst flame is a specific reference to her burning. While not the specific saint figure that burnt at the cross it is a key part of her legend. Having Jeanne without some reference to her burning in my opinion is out of place.

As for the mass amount of skills it is to make up for her lack of skill as a swordsman. In exchange for being a rather average, at best, swordsman her skills are meant to build up, and allow her to tank blows more efficiently. Revelation in combination with her other skills allow her to be a serious threat while still keeping up a strong defense. Without instinct of revelation she's a flag bearer poorly suited for this roleplay's saber role. As she is she plays a tank role essentially. This character has also received feedback from other players before. If for some reason the others wanted Jeanne gone, along with the various interesting conflicts that would appear because of her chosen red faction counterpart, then Lancelot Saber would've been present, or someone else.

With that being said if you have no further interest in this roleplay please do not reply to this. Send a pm if you must but you are disrupting a roleplay.

[Tenma Tendo]

@vancexentan

The Magus of Anima and Animus

Name: Haneul Park
Nicknames: The Magus of Anima and Animus
Age: 16
Gender: Non-Binary ("he" and "they" pronouns)
Master of: Beserker
Command Seal Location: Forehead
Wish: To cure his illness and the illnesses of all people in the world
Origin: Creation



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Personality: Haneul is very nice, but they also have a very meek and timid personality. They tend to be very shy and apologize a lot; it's easy to intimidate them to the point of tears. However, they also love to talk to those that are willing to look past their meek nature, and becomes much more lively whenever they're given a chance to speak up.
Han is probably one of the kindest and softest Masters you'll ever meet, as they literally wouldn't hurt something so long as said something doesn't deserve it. They have a deep deep disdain for disputes occurring between friends or allies, often trying to stop them once they start.

Unfortunately, Haneul also has a deep-rooted complex over being looked down on by others as being "weak". This happened as a result of memories and experiences from their childhood where they were frequently bullied and told to act tougher due to them being rather frail for a boy, resulting in their now gender-fluidity. By doing such, they were able to feel more comfortable about what they lacked and was finally able to ignore all the negatives that people threw at them; although there are times when specific gender comments strike a chord in Han, this being the only thing that can get him particularly angry. Though they try to hide it, they get uncomfortable when others treat them as a girl and sometimes a boy, and they would rather spend time with other boys instead of girls. They greatly admire men who are physically strong and they wish they could be like them at times.

Haneul likes to cook, bake and read books, but dislikes natural disasters, fighting, and bloodshed; hence why they are more of a support based mage. They also go completely bonkers when they see anything bird related.

Biography: Haneul was born in Seoul, South Korea, and is the product of two well known magus lineages. Both parents wanted their son to become a magus that surpassed both of their families, but also wanted him to remember that he could have a normal if he wanted to. Thus, they waited until Han turned five before they began introducing magic into his life.

What they weren't expecting was for Haneul to be born with an excessive amount of magic circuits in his body. He had so many, that when his parents taught him his first transmutation spell, Haneul 'overheated' his circuits and blew up half of their house. Ever since that day, Han's parents have been teaching him how to refine and control his power to where he can now use his spells without overheating automatically. But just because they did so, didn't mean that Haneul health was completely out of the woods.

Despite the constant conditioning he went though to control his magic circuits, there are times where the circuits in his body would remain active, regardless of whether he was casting a spell or not, and because of that, Haneul is prone to fevers and overheating even outside of battle.

Even with having such a big weakness at his side, Haneul remained strong and continued to work hand, making a name for himself in the magician world, despite only being fifteen at the time.

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Magecraft Section:

School of Magecraft: School of Alchemy and Transmutation

Skills/Spells List:
Threaded Metal Transmutation - Can Create 7 Mental Images (this multiplies depending on how many memory partitions are open)
Memory Partition - 10 Times (Can open Four at a Time)
Thought Acceleration - 15 Times
Healing Thread - 5 Times
Shared Perception - 3 Times

Amount of Magecraft Mana: A

Other: Han is still struggling to understand the language and often consults with Berserker before he speaks up.

Dragon's Daughter

Class Name: Berserker

Nicknames: Dragon's Daughter, Countess Dracula, Blood Countess

Alignment: Chaotic Evil

Servant of: Haneul Park

Weapon(s): Torture Utensils (Main: Giant Fork and Hairpins)

Wish: To make Haneul happy and possibly healthy too

Abilities:

Skills:
Territory Creation B
Battle Continuation B
Breath of the Dragon E
Charisma C
Torture Techniques A

Class Abilities:
Mad Enhancement E-

Base Parameters:
Strength: (筋力): C
Endurance: (耐久): D
Agility: (敏捷): A
Magical Power: (魔力): E
Good luck: (幸運): B
Noble Phantasm: (宝具): D

Noble Phantasm(s):

One

Name: Kilenc Sárkány
Quote:
“Drop the curtains. I'll give you my most valued number!!
aaaa〜〜〜”
Rank: D
Type: Anti-Unit
Range: Medium
Description: The ability is the majesty of a roaring thunder dragon by the name of Sárkány converted into a Noble Phantasm by weather spirits according to ancient legends in Hungary. The ability works by amplifying sounds and vibrations to invoke wind and rain by means of that resonance.

It is said that it amplifies sound and vibration, using the resulting resonance to call forth wind and rain. It utilizes the Charisma, soothing effects, and ability to fill others with dread that reside in the wielder's voice. It can also be said that it simply increases the voice's volume by eighty-one times. It is a demonic singing voice that destroys and tramples not only the body of any listener, but also their mind and heart. Growing wings and standing atop her spear, Elizabeth lets out a sound wave that assaults the opponent.

True Name: Click

Appearance:

Here are my two characters. Berserker is done, and everything except for the rest of the biography is completed. I just wanted to make sure if my spells were okay?

[CrystalApple]

@vancexentan
For Guile and Subterfuge I looked at Chevalier d'Eon as a basis of what Assassin could do and decided to improve on it as compensation for the lack of combat capabilities. Along side the fact that it is Assassin specialty in acting such an area, I thought it would be fine giving base-line [ B Rank ] in that skill to him that could improve originally.

If that is not fine, then I am okay with making it at maximum be [ B Rank ] and become another skill that has a different rank within combat that suffers a decrease in rank to [ C Rank ] until he studies them. Allowing the skill to be raised back to its original value since he is intended to be more of a socialite along with the fact its based off on [ Human Observation ]. Making this skill rank to be a maximum of [ B- ] situationally and knock off the parameter decrease. Thoughts?

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Noble Phantasm Lore / Mechanics

Lore wise, Assassin's Noble Phantasm is only seen as a killing technique and this view point is also supported by himself as well, being 'an entity made for killing' at one of its simplest functions. Allowing him to harm others not physically but on the spiritual level that prevents mundane protections from keeping them safe. That is all that matters for the other Hassans and Assassin himself.

In more depth, this Noble Phantasm works on information since it goes through the Soul/Records of an entity first and manipulates it, the changes written on the soul will then try to manifest and overwrite the present with the new variables recorded. An example would be using this Noble Phantasm to inflict a wound on a person, even though the weapon didn't pierce their body, by changing what is recorded in the soul is then reflected outside the body. The same can be said about healing as it restores a person to a previous state recorded within their soul as all the memories that have taken place are there, wounds can be overwritten within the soul that would be reflected on their body as they are 'healed'. My idea that if a person is less human, the nature of their soul would be more difficult for Assassin to handle due to its foreign nature plus the fact that it would inherently be stronger and more resistant to change than a human soul.

To erase someone memory with this Noble Phantasm is possible as it gets rid of it from the source, resulting in varying degrees of amnesia if a person cannot defend against it that could change them depending on how long Assassin dedicates himself to. However, to remove or change the foundation that someone is built on and has already happened is near impossible as they are variables that are more concrete and solidified beyond the grasps of manipulating as a principal to nature and would require much more power to budge them (like a wish from Holy Grail to accomplish, very High-level Thaumaturgy, or Magic to name a few). To do such a thing, the actions that proved their existence in the world would effectively have to be erased or changed before the soul twists the body to that degree which is beyond the capabilities of this Noble Phantasm. Think Grand Order when trying to erase the existence of something, as you must prevent the result from happening in the first place to cause disorder to the rest and pervert them or outright destroy them. These critical events can be reinforced however to prevent change in a being's existence or up to a point that even boost their abilities if Assassin should desire as it empowers their physical existence and standing to make a change to the world once again.

To sum it up, this Noble Phantasm works in the present and cannot change the far past. It can heal people as well as harm others and a whole lot of things if Assassin puts his mind into. His limitations are the predefined rules along with the general sense that Assassin cannot extend this ability effect to anything outside the area of the bodies of himself and the targets that he has in mind.

Noble Phantasm Defenses

Moving on from that, this Noble Phantasm is only at its fullest potential against straight boring humans as they hold little weight in this world but even then there is a limit to what Assassin can do to them.

Resistances to this technique begin to build up so long as they have 'Mystery' and 'Presence' to them, which all Servants above the existence of wraiths should have a fair amount and results in a base amount of defense against this technique. When stacked up with Class and Personal skills plus the lore of other Heroes, they simply gain more defenses the older they are and how prominent they are.

Saber has [ A+ Magic Resistance] that prevents this skill from effecting in any massive way even if Assassin were to approach her via touch. The same with Lancer being blessed by the blood of Christ which would suffice in enough mystery to again prevent major changes added on top of his own [ Magic Resistance ]. Rider would have some resistance from his existence tying him closer to being an elemental spirit which would provide another layer of defense compared to other servants. Archer being the most mundane would preferably keep to being at range and use that bow of theirs to what Archers do best but resistances again from [ Magic Resistance] and what fame that poem has ontop of it. Berserker has dragon blood in her, she's practically immune to the serious effects of this Noble Phantasm even if its not stated on the Sheet with the [ Magic Resistance ] built into it and besides why would he want to get rid of his karaoke buddy? Assassin against Caster would be a chess game of one piece that he has and Caster having several other pieces to defend himself as king but that sword is whole different topic of hurt.

If you look hard enough, this Noble Phantasm is only dangerous against those who didn't deal with the supernatural world and those who are heroic spirits that have recently came into fruition. Even then, these Servant's best defense are the accumulation of their stories which is their Noble Phantasm that can provide solid defense as it is a representation of who they are in the present if there is significant connection between the two. Only Servants who are either low-tier of the spectrum or their existence being considered a wraith is capable of being significantly affected simply due to them not have enough 'presence' to solidify themselves to the world. It is similar to Nobunaga Oda's Noble Phantasm flipped around as it excels against normal people but is abysmal against those who have left a significant influence on the world or vice versa (the world having a significant influence on those Assassin is trying to effect).

So yes, he is perfect against Masters and the occasional Servant who are in the same tier-level as he is but outside of that there is nothing much he can do. In the end, like any other Grail War is to hide your Master against Assassin and you'll be fine!

Hopefully thats a good enough explanation, it took me some brain storming to spit out English rather than Nasu-talk. If this doesn't suffice then I can make it more concise and take out the fluff, so just tell me if you need it ^^ Sorry if everything is a bit confusing, Fate series does that to me!

[vancexentan]

@Tenma TendoYour character's backstory needs to expanded upon especially considering he's a eastern mage. The London Clocktower primarily deals in western magecraft. Is there any reason they specifically went out of their way to pick a young man like him over the numerous other more experienced magi out there aside from his absurd natural magical talent?

@CrystalApple I'll bury the hatchet and just let you keep the mind's eye thing at B rank which is C until studied. In my personal opinion it shouldn't be there but I'll give you some leeway.

However I'm still not sold on her being able to alter the memories of the people, or erase them. It basically could be used to cripple Red Faction the second any of their members makes a mistake. It also allows Assassin to basically force plot points of the storyline otherwise they'd be given nothing from their noble phantasm. On one hand it may even lead one of the enemy masters to flat out turn on Grey. I won't reveal why because it'd be a spoiler but the moment he/she loses the reason for why they're fighting for Grey is the moment they ask themselves 'why am I helping these people? They're not in my moral spectrum', and thus inerts one of Red's prime mages. The reason you're trying to give is for members of our faction, since you don't know the enemy faction as of yet, but for the most part red faction operates more on the aggressive side.

If you take out the memory wiping, and just have him deal magical 'stab' damage against enemies (as long as it's not automatically fatal) along with the healing factor I'll be fine with it. As while it sounds good on paper for assassin in the line of the plot it could be used to irreparably damage red faction if he can find the enemy masters. Because if I accept this how it is then I'm going to have to try to roll around with the fact that assassin is capable of taking out memories which is one of a handful of reasons canon Jack the Ripper is not allowed besides her (jack's) instant kill phantasm.

[CrystalApple]

@vancexentan

I'll bury the hatchet and just let you keep the mind's eye thing at B rank which is C until studied. In my personal opinion it shouldn't be there but I'll give you some leeway.

Hmmm, upon further debating on myself I just decided to lower the rankings to what you suggested earlier which makes sense for Assassin. So in the end it will be [ D Rank ] at base line that has the possibility of becoming [ C Rank ] in combat after studying.

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Guile and Subterfuge (B-) // A skill that Assassin had picked up during the years that they operated, moving through the many different courts and echelon of power made them accustomed to the many different natures of people. With eyes in every shadow and tongues carefully held, they learned the unspoken language that people communicated even if they didn't recognize. It is a more sophisticated version of [ Human Observation ] that came from the training granted to Assassin allowed insight not only during socialization but applying to things outside of it as well like combat if given time. Upon studying an individual for a day, Assassin gains [ Eye of the Mind (True) ] against them at [ C Rank ] within combat. However, if preparations for this skill is not met for a Servant or individual, the buff they have against them does not trigger and their [ Eye of the Mind (True) ] is lowered by a single rank to [ D Rank ]. Outside of combat though, this skill shines as Assassin's own political savvy and experience allows him to keep this skill at its original value of [ B Rank ] when it comes down to talking or socializing with others. Allowing him to see the possibilities of guiding a conversation to the desired result that he wishes, it allows one to escape a discussion or engage in one with much more finesse.

If you take out the memory wiping, and just have him deal magical 'stab' damage against enemies (as long as it's not automatically fatal) along with the healing factor I'll be fine with it.

Okay that sounds fine, I'll just need to cut some things from what I originally put and adjust a little. In the end, the memory thing is removed~

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This Noble Phantasm is a technique that opens the doorway to the 'soul' using the body as a medium. Being a two way relationship, the connection between Assassin and their target can be said to be very intimate with what it entails. One could damage it in order to affect their physical body, being a less mundane way of attacking that what others would suspect. A powerful enough technique to even scramble the Magic Circuits of those who possesses them in a short time as seen when [ No Name Assassin ] used them and when specifically directed Servants, could bring them down to their knees. It is in essence 'dealing magical damage' to his opponents that ignores the endurance of the flesh and instead competes with the magical fortitude of a character to see if damage is dealt through the use of any medium that Assassin chooses. The same can be said that through this way, a person can also be 'healed' instead of being harmed as Assassin can cut and remove the infected or ailing part of a person as 'healing' but requires much more control than the process of simply harming another.

[vancexentan]

Alright I'll allow Assassin through.

[vancexentan]

Alright it's been awhile who are we waiting for exactly? It's hard to keep track on here.

[ManyThings]

@vancexentanI've gotta finish my master. I think it's mostly masters we're waiting on, actually.

[vancexentan]

@ManyThingsI believe that is the case I'm not sure exactly what the others are doing but it seems like people are dragging their feet from my perspective. It took me one, maybe two days to finish that Jeanne sheet from the rp I made that for. It's been almost two weeks though and we're lacking a good portion of finished CS's.