@Holy Soldier

Please, man. answer me.

Why are you continuing to push a narrative when everyone else disagrees?

Sure, it may have become a bit of a circlejerk... but why do you think that is? You're not disproving us, you're dismissing us. We're making valid points and instead of addressing them, you're telling us to get out. I'm not even the first to tell you this.

I'm all for civil discussion. What you're pushing, however, is not civil discussion.

It is an echochamber.

You're not adding more by posting lol.

What exactly have you been adding by your nudges that people haven't been contributing to the discussion when this thread, if anything, has been one of the best examples to date of people staying on topic?

Your failing to reply to my post is not a failing of mine.

You feel attacked because I pointed out how you have been repeating the same comments and haven't really evolved your discussion? Since you were getting so offended and upset, I said maybe you should ignore this conversation since it offends you so much.

- Quote the statement that indicates that I am attacked. No, really. If anything, I'm ignored. Please, indicate where I have actually been attacked. >.>
- You have not answered legitimate questions, such as "who else actually cares about this?" which I would think is pivotal to a discussion about something that, even if you would call it a small and simple change, would change the structure of the sight. In terms of active users giving their replies, you're badly outmatched here, and again, the iota is on you to prove that there is actually support for anything you are saying. Ignoring me only tears the carpet out from under your argument.
- Every post I have made in this thread has been logical, analytical and, I believe, distant from ad hominem. Until this very sentence, it is a stark contrast to what you have done across the entirety of this thread and the last couple pages in particular (and really, I'd consider you trying to make an echo chamber of yes a fact, but sure, lets call it ad hominem to give you a point here).
----> To get to the point of above, I'll tie it to my first point - how is presenting a counter argument and asking you to back yourself up when suggesting a change for the forum 'being offended'? Am I being offended by presenting a counter argument to your points? If that's the case, your chance for logical discussion on the guild is likely to be exactly zero.

I rather like debates of this nature. I can go on all day, and I'd be happy to do it, because I like to debate when I have a full handle on the topic. Especially since this thread is turning into a heavy anchor that drags your request down to oblivion, as you have no supporters in this thread. Absolutely none. Plenty of opponents, though, and plenty of reasons why what you ask is not necessary. The logical destruction of the thread's premise will remain even as the thread itself is devolving.

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This right here ^ is about you feeling like you're contributing to the conversation when you're trying to destroy it because you don't agree with this discussion even existing. Therefore, I offered that you not bother with it since you're clearly now just talking about how you are "replying" and not how you are replying to the topic "World-Building."

>looks at the title of the thread
>reads own posts that have all addressed the topic stated in the title
>looks where I'm putting all these posts

Okie

The supporters have refused to enter this thread because of the hostility you and the other players who normally troll the discussion forums have shown. They do not want to get involved. So when I was saying they would because it seemed like they would post, they chose not to because of the negative atmosphere. I am trying to get rid of that negative atmosphere to turn this back into a pleasant discussion whether people agree or disagree. Even with the former writers disagreeing, they were able to do so civilly. The people who have left so far were not civil and I'm glad they left. If you're the next one, then that just puts more positivity back on this discussion.

- Trolling = countering your points, agreement = logical debate. Is that true? It's a yes or no question.
- [Citation Needed]
- Negative Atmosphere^TM is not a valid excuse. We will have to agree to disagree, I guess.
- People who have left so far posted their own arguments and points, and left when you attacked them after not finding a way to prove your own points valid. They knew they were punching a brick wall, and they reasonably left because of it. I have an iron fist. I'll punch the proverbial wall all day, because for whatever reason, I have time to waste doing so until you give me a proper response. And guess what? When someone comes in with support, I will challenge them to back themselves up too, and address the points made so far. And if they're reasonable, perhaps I'll even agree. If that is trolling, then yes, I am going to troll this thread right until it gets locked.

But I'm not going to continue to "entertain" you if you are offended. If I choose not to respond to you, then I'm sorry. It's something you'll just have to deal with.

I don't care. I'll still reply, and I'll still wait for you to make this a logical debate. Yes, I'm immortal.

@Ruby can we close this as the OP has become increasingly hostile and the thread is just running circles at the moment and is/has already breached the point of hostility

Probably for the best.

@Holy Soldier

I actually contributed and deconstructed your arguments but you chose to ignore it. I thought it was because you were afraid of answering my arguments but I suppose you missed them. Quoted here for your convenience.

Sounds like what you want is already offered and, in fact, has been done before in any of the three main sections. I'm not really looking foreword to adding a dead-on-arrival subsection to a forum that already has 3 sections that under-perform on a near permanent basis. I'm going to dismantle your arguments one by one;

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I am unsure what you are asking for. Are you asking for 'literal' world-building functions like a map designer in the forum? I venture a guess and say that you're not but the sentence 'being able to design your game right there in the thread' throws me off. Otherwise, I'm really unsure whether this even is an argument - a blank thread is a blank thread, whether it is in world-building forums or in test forums. You can already design it with other players namely through the 0th post (which is not an ideal function but whatever). Anything else can be substituted by careful planning and organization.

A new sub-forum isn't going to help you with any of that.

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You can make two character sheet threads or even make a bestiary in the guides section (which has been done before). Point in case. You don't need a new sub-forum. Just fall in line with the masses.

inb4 all of these can be placed in the new sub-forum!

Yes and your bestiary and whatever else can be placed in the guides thread.

As for the fact that it exists on these other forums - that's really cool. You know one forum I used to frequent had a payment system with made-up money that was arbitrarily handed out. Why not add that? Maybe it's because 'more more more' doesn't fit in my forum design philosophy but really, less is more. Not everything needs its own specific sub-forum. You can make due with what we have now, easily.

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Put it in a guide. A character thread will be the same no matter whether it was made in this new 'world building' sub-forum or in a character storage thread.

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It wouldn't inconvenience me in the way that that stupid 'Expanding Horizons' has inconvenienced me (under the impression that world building forum will be low, low, low in the list of RPG's frontpage) but I have to object to adding more dead-on-arrival forums. I predict if this were to be made it'd follow the same trend as EH - interest in the first week and then a very sudden death with only a trickle of activity after that.

Since you are so open to discussion I will await your reply so we can talk in a civilized manner. Redeem yourself.

I'm still waiting on evidence that anyone else actually wants this.

We still have none.

@PoiI've given you counter-points to your points and you've not read them but continued to post your misunderstandings. Then you get upset. As the OP says, if you get upset, then you don't need to be in here and that no one should entertain you.

>Poi wonders who else supports this
>Holy Soldier goes on about counter points that were never mentioned, getting upset which was never mentioned
???

@PoiI've given you counter-points to your points and you've not read them but continued to post your misunderstandings. Then you get upset. As the OP says, if you get upset, then you don't need to be in here and that no one should entertain you.

Counterpoints as in "if you don't agree with me, you should just get out and ignore changes to the guild altogether?" No one here seems to be upset besides you.

@OdinI answered your comments. You are welcome to go back and read. I'd only be repeating myself. I even posted a condensed version of everything I've previously discussed since it was lost in all the raging and trolling.

You guys need to learn the difference between disagreements and then trolling. Because if all you wrote were disagreements, then this thread would have never became so negative and hostile.

I was helping organize the site. The truth here is, if the Moderators decided to implement this idea, the people who are bemoaning it happening would still continue to write on this site regardless. It doesn't affect them in any way. As for the writers, it gives the people who "actually" world-build and who actually role play on this site a section for their drafts, ideas, and where they can place their concepts without having to choose from multiple different sections that really aren't meant for world-building. We're literally just "making" it a world-building thread because there's no real place to put the ideas. So you have world-building appearing in multiple sections for no reason. All you have to do is make a section for it.

No one was hostile until you called people out for bemoaning how terrible/bad of an idea this is. Honestly, talking to you is like talking to a brick wall. Your whole argument is based on your own desires and ignoring any kind of negative feedback. No wonder why you have so many people arguing with you now.

@Holy Soldier If I wanted to troll, I would go to spam. I've been asking you the same question over and over and you've been refusing to answer. I'm not being overtly hostile to you, at least not intentionally... well, 'side from the 'offended' comment, and that was in direct response to you calling Arenasnow the same thing.

Seriously though. Dismissing us all as 'trolls' is not making you look better. It just looks like you're closing your ears and shouting 'LALALALA' and I don't like accusing anyone of that, but it sure looks like you are doing that.

You guys need to learn the difference between disagreements and then trolling. Because if all you wrote were disagreements, then this thread would have never became so negative and hostile.

Ok, so let me rephrase my words to something that's not "trolling" and see if we can go somewhere:

I don't like this idea because it's an unnecessary change that doesn't benefit anyone but you and actually has the chance to cause damage if the Guild's code gets broken during it.

What are your counterpoints to that?

@Holy Soldier I have seen no arguments, and any arguments I have seen failed to convince me of the dire need to have this new sub-forum. I have asked a moderator for the estimate of how likely the addition of any new sub-forum was and it was estimated to be low to non-existent.

Nobody has been raging - that may be a misreading of the situation on your side.
Nobody has been trolling - that may have been a misreading of the situation on your end.

Everyone has written disagreements, but were dismissed by you. It seems natural that in their dismissal they dismiss you too. That you choose to write that off as trolling purely because they disagree is an error in your own reasoning, not ours. Following your disability to behave normally and act without dismissing anyone as troll, I will once again request the moderators to lock this thread before it can escalate into a real flamewar. If you want to flame we can do so on discord in private or in my server. Otherwise,

@Ruby @Rilla @Meth Quokka @NuttsnBolts @Sherlock Holmes Please read the thread/last few pages and determine whether or not this thread deserves to keep living - my own assessment is that we've passed the point of redemption for this specific thread.

@PoiIt's not actually a surprise since the same people who argue and troll the Rp Lounge are doing the same thing here. If you were surprised by that, I'm not lol. But it would be nice if those people weren't commenting here because then a normal discussion would be able to occur as it did for a few pages before they brought their dirty laundry.

@Holy Soldier I have seen no arguments, and any arguments I have seen failed to convince me of the dire need to have this new sub-forum. I have asked a moderator for the estimate of how likely the addition of any new sub-forum was and it was estimated to be low to non-existent.

Nobody has been raging - that may be a misreading of the situation on your side.
Nobody has been trolling - that may have been a misreading of the situation on your end.

Everyone has written disagreements, but were dismissed by you. It seems natural that in their dismissal they dismiss you too. That you choose to write that off as trolling purely because they disagree is an error in your own reasoning, not ours. Following your disability to behave normally and act without dismissing anyone as troll, I will once again request the moderators to lock this thread before it can escalate into a real flamewar. If you want to flame we can do so on discord in private or in my server. Otherwise,

@Ruby @Rilla @Meth Quokka @NuttsnBolts @Sherlock Holmes Please read the thread/last few pages and determine whether or not this thread deserves to keep living - my own assessment is that we've passed the point of redemption for this specific thread.

That fact you are insinuating that you plan to make this into a flame war proves my point. lol

@PoiIt's not actually a surprise since the same people who argue and troll the Rp Lounge are doing the same thing here.

The majority of the people here hardly or at all post in roleplaying discussion, so I'm going to have to require a citation on that.

@Holy Soldier

Look bellow, please:

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Ok, so let me rephrase my words to something that's not "trolling" and see if we can go somewhere:

I don't like this idea because it's an unnecessary change that doesn't benefit anyone but you and actually has the chance to cause damage if the Guild's code gets broken during it.

What are your counterpoints to that?

@PoiIt's not actually a surprise since the same people who argue and troll the Rp Lounge are doing the same thing here. If you were surprised by that, I'm not lol. But it would be nice if those people weren't commenting here because then a normal discussion would be able to occur as it did for a few pages before they brought their dirty laundry.

No need to rewrite history. The tone of the first few pages, starting with my post (where exactly did I become negative and hostile between my first post and now, beyond disagreeing and questioning your means of debate) has not shifted, I have simply replied to arguments. If you don't refer to me, what specific examples can you give that other people's tones somehow changed between the first few pages and now?

I was helping organize the site. The truth here is, if the Moderators decided to implement this idea, the people who are bemoaning it happening would still continue to write on this site regardless. It doesn't affect them in any way. As for the writers, it gives the people who "actually" world-build and who actually role play on this site a section for their drafts, ideas, and where they can place their concepts without having to choose from multiple different sections that really aren't meant for world-building. We're literally just "making" it a world-building thread because there's no real place to put the ideas. So you have world-building appearing in multiple sections for no reason. All you have to do is make a section for it.

It was you who stated 'bemoaning' and escalated the topic in the first place, as Poi quoted above.

@Poiroleplayerguild.com/topics/49973-lets…

Bam.

@Holy Soldier I said nothing of the sort and I will not let you insult my character. Let it be known and let the records speak that I have been an upstanding and productive member of Roleplayerguild in this thread that has been nothing but courteous, polite and cordial to you, I have used two words and spoken to you respectfully to the best of my ability. I have been a gentleman, and a scholar, a gentlemanly scholar if you will, and I feel you have abused my good will to attempt to victimize yourself into a position of perpetuated victimhood in order to secure the pity of other members of the website known as Roleplayerguild.

I no longer wish to associate with you, your thread or your arguments. They are forfeit and nihil.

“Judges, Odin is not a Guild criminal. With disdain, I reject this verdict.”

That fact you are insinuating that you plan to make this into a flame war proves my point. lol

I will once again request the moderators to lock this thread before it can escalate into a real flamewar.

How do the sentences connect, exactly? You plucked a single sentence out of the post and connected it to him starting a flamewar. How?

I'm cutting this off before it goes anywhere sour. Discussions are fine but circular arguments tending towards flaming is not.