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In that case Anya might want to replace the explosive with a thermite charge instead. Explosive would shatter the device, but may leave some components intact, while a thermite charge would melt the device, transforming it into a molten lump of slag metal which would be worthless to anyone wanting to salvage the tech.

Plus it'd be a little more discouraging to anyone attempting to tamper with one of them.


Great idea. Thermal charges it is.

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I'd advise against making the hum too audible, since as it is Anya could plant the device on a vehicle or even a person without them noticing too easily. This could then be used to 'map' an area as the target moved through it, especially if she tagged a security guard or sentry working a patrol route.


Silent it is then.

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In that case Anya might want to replace the explosive with a thermite charge instead. Explosive would shatter the device, but may leave some components intact, while a thermite charge would melt the device, transforming it into a molten lump of slag metal which would be worthless to anyone wanting to salvage the tech.

Plus it'd be a little more discouraging to anyone attempting to tamper with one of them.

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I'd advise against making the hum too audible, since as it is Anya could plant the device on a vehicle or even a person without them noticing too easily. This could then be used to 'map' an area as the target moved through it, especially if she tagged a security guard or sentry working a patrol route.

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From the way I'm reading the description of her perception augmentation, it sounds similar to Hinata Hyuga's genetic ability in Naruto, where she has a full awareness of everything around her but with the additional option of focusing her senses in order to extend the range of her ability upto 10km in a certain direction. By using the ThirdEyes Anya does something similar, but unlike Hinata, who could just stand on top of a building scanning everything for 10km around her, Anya would have to find some way to deploy her devices to a location before detecting what was there.

This raises a couple of questions for me.
  • Does a ThirdEye need to be manually activated by pulling the pin, or could it be activated from a remote location after it had been placed somewhere earlier?
  • Can the ThirdEye be fired from her rifle, allowing Anya to deploy them at a considerable distance? If deployed in this manner, would the pin be removed as the device was fired, or could it be activated only after reaching its target (or somehow being intercepted)?

If they can be deployed in this way, Anya would take on similar skills to Saito, the sniper from Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex, whose cybernetic targeting eye is able to be linked to satellite systems giving him 'perfect' aiming capabilities. Unless the feed is hacked and the target knows he's aiming at them, allowing them to avoid his shots as he makes them (as seen in the first season's second episode Bōsō no Shōmei TESTATION.)


Yeah, my original idea was for it to be a bullet, so she could fire it from her rifle, but I thought that it would be too OP, wouldn't it?
Currently the Third Eye needs to be manually deployed, either by Anya herself or by someone else. After someone pulls the pin, its already activated.

Maybe it would also be interesting to make it also a bullet type. Thinking about it, both would have different applications. The device would be good for mapping closed areas where Anya doesn't have a direct line of sight. Such as buildings & etc. For that, Anya would need to go there scout the place herself, or send someone to do it.

The bullets would be faster and easier to deploy, but there are obvious drawbacks to them, drawbacks that actually prevent them from being op...
Well... even though Anya's rifle is silenced, people nearby can still hear as the bullet hits the ground/wall/etc. or see the obvious hole on it. That would prevent her to simply just shoot it wherever she wants and create a huge field where she has a 'perfect aim'.

Now the big question is: Would it be fair for the bullet type and the device to have exactly the same range and drawbacks?

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Yeah, my original idea was for it to be a bullet, so she could fire it from her rifle, but I thought that it would be too OP, wouldn't it?

One way to balance it out would be to make it so Anya had to switch between channels to view things through a ThirdEye, rather than giving her a single unified vision. That way not only would deploying too many of them simultaneously be a little overwhelming to keep track of, but while using one Anya would be functionally defenseless and reliant on someone literally watching her back until she switched back to her main augmentation.

Well... even though Anya's rifle is silenced, people nearby can still hear as the bullet hits the ground/wall/etc.

'Silenced' firearms are still surpringly load, and generally the term 'suppressed' is used instead. Most people would easily hear a silenced pistol firing either in the street outside their house or from a couple of rooms away inside the building. However, the sound tends to be significantly different from what most people associate with a gunshot, and such sounds tend to be disregarded as background noise and not reported or recorded.

Also it's a little easier to tag someone without them knowing when all you have to do is pull a pin and slip the ThirdEye into their pocket surreptitiously, rather than shooting them in the back.

Now the big question is: Would it be fair for the bullet type and the device to have exactly the same range and drawbacks?

I'd suggest that the bullet type would be a little smaller than the standard version you've described so far, since it would have to be able to fit into the 4x30mm rounds standardly used by her rifle. This would mean less refined sensors and reduced battery size. Overall that would make for a shorter life, smaller range unit which could be quickly and messily deployed at greater range, and would be inferior to the larger version which would require more planning and logistics to place.

Basically, if Anya has the time to get one of the other devices into place manually then it would be better to do that, but in a situation where she needs to quickly establish a sensor net in a hurry, the bullet type would allow her to get on point far faster.

Would the transmission range affect her augmentation in any way? Could Anya use the bullet types as a 'signal repeater' if she needed to relocate in a hurry and would be moving out of range of devices already in place?

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One way to balance it out would be to make it so Anya had to switch between channels to view things through a ThirdEye, rather than giving her a single unified vision. That way not only would deploying too many of them simultaneously be a little overwhelming to keep track of, but while using one Anya would be functionally defenseless and reliant on someone literally watching her back until she switched back to her main augmentation.


If that was used by anyone else, information overload would be a real problem. But Anya's augmentation also deals with that. Since Anya is usually away from where the conflict would happen, her main augment is something like an alert for her to GTFO of things get ugly.

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'Silenced' firearms are still surpringly load, and generally the term 'suppressed' is used instead. Most people would easily hear a silenced pistol firing either in the street outside their house or from a couple of rooms away inside the building. However, the sound tends to be significantly different from what most people associate with a gunshot, and such sounds tend to be disregarded as background noise and not reported or recorded.

Also it's a little easier to tag someone without them knowing when all you have to do is pull a pin and slip the ThirdEye into their pocket surreptitiously, rather than shooting them in the back.


A supressor only deals with the noise the bullet makes when getting out of the rifle and not with the Sonic boom the bullet makes when travelling through the air.

Anya's rifle, due to not being a normal gunpowder rifle, is already pretty silent. The suppressor only makes it even quieter. That would deal with any hopes of someone to pinpoint her location due to the sound (since the only ones able to hear anything at all are those right besides her target, and even though,be able to pinpoint her location due to the fact that the thing producing the noise is the bullet, not the rifle. The Sonic boom is just a reminder that someone just killed your friend over there)

Unfortunately, dealing with the Sonic boom is completely different. In order to make a 'completely silent' weapons, a couple of things are needed, which the most notable is a subsonic rifle and ammo.

A slower bullet would not produce the characteristic Sonic boom that it does when passing by someone, but in the other hand, less speed means less range and penetrating power. In order to deal with this issue, heavier bullets would be needed to raise the projectile's penetration power at the cost of a heavily reduced range.

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I'd suggest that the bullet type would be a little smaller than the standard version you've described so far, since it would have to be able to fit into the 4x30mm rounds standardly used by her rifle. This would mean less refined sensors and reduced battery size. Overall that would make for a shorter life, smaller range unit which could be quickly and messily deployed at greater range, and would be inferior to the larger version which would require more planning and logistics to place.

Basically, if Anya has the time to get one of the other devices into place manually then it would be better to do that, but in a situation where she needs to quickly establish a sensor net in a hurry, the bullet type would allow her to get on point far faster.

Would the transmission range affect her augmentation in any way? Could Anya use the bullet types as a 'signal repeater' if she needed to relocate in a hurry and would be moving out of range of devices already in place?


Great idea. Making the bullet type less powerful, with less range and unlike the normal device, lasting only a few minutes would make it so the normal devices would still be the better choice, and the bullet type only a 'backup' if things don't go as planned.

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Would the transmission range affect her augmentation in any way? Could Anya use the bullet types as a 'signal repeater' if she needed to relocate in a hurry and would be moving out of range of devices already in place?


Their range is pretty ridiculous, so that isn't something Anya should be too worried about.

Oh and I had already posted an IMG for the bullet type on my CS XD
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If that was used by anyone else, information overload would be a real problem. But Anya's augmentation also deals with that. Since Anya is usually away from where the conflict would happen, her main augment is something like an alert for her to GTFO of things get ugly.

That was kind of my point with avoiding making the ThirdEyes too OP. When she was using them she'd basically have to switch off her personal detection, meaning she'd be vulnerable to someone sneaking up on her with no 'GFTO warning' to rely on.

It would be rare that this would be a problem, given that Anya may be a couple of miles away from the action, but it could make for an interesting plot hook if she didn't take precautions, especially if she needed to stay 'on point' for an operation where the team were being cornered and she was providing them with valuable covering fire, but at the same time knew that someone was hunting her and she'd need to keep switching back to her local scan to make sure she hadn't been found.

Almost like playing Five Nights at Freddy's. :P

A slower bullet would not produce the characteristic Sonic boom that it does when passing by someone, but in the other hand, less speed means less range and penetrating power. In order to deal with this issue, heavier bullets would be needed to raise the projectile's penetration power at the cost of a heavily reduced range.

There's also the fact that supersonic bullets would reach their destination before the sound of the boom even reached the target, or their associates. In case of shots made at extreme range, the target's head might just explode several seconds before their associates heard the sound of the boom, and by then Anya could have already changed location to prevent being discovered, especially if she trusted her skill enough not to wait for visual confirmation of the kill before moving.

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That was kind of my point with avoiding making the ThirdEyes too OP. When she was using them she'd basically have to switch off her personal detection, meaning she'd be vulnerable to someone sneaking up on her with no 'GFTO warning' to rely on.

It would be rare that this would be a problem, given that Anya may be a couple of miles away from the action, but it could make for an interesting plot hook if she didn't take precautions, especially if she needed to stay 'on point' for an operation where the team were being cornered and she was providing them with valuable covering fire, but at the same time knew that someone was hunting her and she'd need to keep switching back to her local scan to make sure she hadn't been found.

Almost like playing Five Nights at Freddy's. :P


Hm... That would indeed be interesting.

But supposing it would work like that, it would be easy enough for Anya to put a device where she would stay, right? Sure, unlike her augment, the device is vulnerable to cloaking devices jammers and EMPs, but still...

I thought about something along the lines of 'feedback', to prevent her from just putting a device near her I those situations, stunning her for a brief while. But if I made it like that, it would be very bad if, let's say...
Anya slipped the Third Eye in the pocket of 2 different guys. If they walk by each other... You know?

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Anya slipped the Third Eye in the pocket of 2 different guys. If they walk by each other... You know?

You could either have it that the feedback from the smaller devices would be far less severe compared to her augment, for instance feeling like a prick with a needle rather than having a nail hammered through your hand, or you could have all the ThirdEyes on the same channel, so they wouldn't interefere with each other, but might interfere with Anya's main augment.

She'd then run into the problem of someone she'd tagged wandering in her direction, since she'd be at risk from feedback if they got too close to her, but this would just play into her need to keep her distance from targets so I'd see it as characterful for her design.
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But again... The feedback wouldn't matter that much, since she has her main augment 'turned off'.

Thought about another thing that might solve that issue.

While using a the Third Eye, Anya can switch her 'focus' between her augment and the Third Eyes currently deployed. While focusing on the Third Eyes, the perception range on her augment is lowered to 7m. While under these specific circumstances, any Third Eye within a 45m area suffers severe interference from Anya's augment, rendering them useless.

That would solve the problem, right?

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But again... The feedback wouldn't matter that much, since she has her main augment 'turned off'.

I was thinking of it more that the central processor for the augment would just be working on the signals being relayed through the ThirdEyes, rather than the sensors in her body, but the system itself would still be fully functional and therefore susceptible to interference and feedback. Having said that, simply switching off her local system would prevent the feedback entirely, but would severely limit her local perception.

Is there any 'reboot delay' for switching between her systems at all? If she did shut down the core augment, how long would it take to get it back up and running again? Is there a period where it needs to 'warm up', giving a less clear reading or a more limited range as the system gets back upto speed, mapping and categorising the local area?

While focusing on the Third Eyes, the perception range on her augment is lowered to 7m. While under these specific circumstances, any Third Eye within a 45m area suffers severe interference from Anya's augment, rendering them useless.

That could be explained by the increased signal sources requiring greater processing power for Anya's augment to filter through all the data it's receiving, reducing the efficiency of the local scan.

You could even take it one step further, with the effect gradually scaling with each ThirdEye deployed. This would mean that one or two might only reduce her local perception range by a couple of meters, but by the time she's got five or six running at once her processor would be overloaded, reducing her local perception down by 10 or 20 meters.
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Perfect. Adding it to my CS right now.

Regarding the reboot delay, I don't think it would have any, since even though Anya is not 'focusing' on the devices, they are still active. But in the other hand, nothing is being recorded, so any information that happens when Anya is focusing on her own augment is basically lost.

I think that I'm ready lol. Sadly, Natalia will have to wait, for now... XD

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...nothing is being recorded, so any information that happens when Anya is focusing on her own augment is basically lost.

So after waiting seventeen hours staking out her target, Anya looks away for five seconds and they slip right passed her...
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Here is round two of passport reviews.

Scrub Mage // Takeshi:



Accepted, welcome to Europa!

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Accepted, to the character tab with this one.

Insatiable // Vinson



Accepted, if you would be so kind as to relocate to the character tab...

KaiserElectric // Ophelia:



Accepted, the doctor character tab will see you now.

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Accepted, find yourself a comfy nook in the character tab.
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Accepted, the doctor character tab will see you now.

: ~pops up wearing a nurse's outfit, snapping on a rubber glove~
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Here's my completed CS of old Eze'.

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The guild's problems have got me tearing my hair out over here. I would have liked to show off what I've done under phase 1 of my CS earlier. Next I have to consider the bio, which will be done around next week. I reckon I'll need all the time I can get.

I was considering freelance or security. But with a particular augmentation I have in mind for the future, I'm currently leaning towards either handling EuroCorp's dirty work, working for the EDF, or for BLCK.
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