They were stupid to expect I am going to help them in any language but English

You're stupid for knowing only one language then, and even more stupid for calling other's name for being unable to speak a foreign language.

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You're stupid for knowing only one language then, and even more stupid for calling other's name for being unable to speak a foreign language.

You are stupid for assuming I don’t know another language.

They are stupid because they refused to use the tools available to them to even badly translate what they wanted to say. They intentionally put the phone away. They should’ve left it out and spoke or typed into a translation app. I would have helped them if they did that. They put forth no effort so I put forth no effort.

I know you guys are probably memeing but let's tone it down. This is a thread for discussions.

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You are stupid for assuming I don’t know another language.

They are stupid because they refused to use the tools available to them to even badly translate what they wanted to say. They intentionally put the phone away. They should’ve left it out and spoke or typed into a translation app. I would have helped them if they did that. They put forth no effort so I put forth no effort.

You are stupid for using arguments that can easily apply to yourself. Why should they make an effort to use a (broken) translate app if you didn't make any effort to do the same?

@Burning Kitty

Dude, if you work retail it's your job to help customers, so if anyone should have put in the effort to facilitate communication, it's you.

I know you guys are probably memeing but let's tone it down. This is a thread for discussions.

So, I'll just do Poohead a favor and literally repeat the "this thread is for discussion."

I know I was literally lambasted for making the point of "hey, maybe you should follow basic guidelines set." like I was the villain. Because -I- can never be right. But, yeah...maybe stop the ad-hominem stuff.

Also, who cares what someone else does for their own job? That isn't remotely relevant to politics...

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And now the subject will magically drop, and that discourse can happen now.



Since I can't get real and/or civil political discourse online anymore. I got the occasional podcasts to fill the void. I still wonder how many people would be willing to have real discussions about politics? Face to face, or even voice to voice. More personal and human conversations that aren't sound bits like the news media. Podcasts are fantastic tools for politics and entertainment. But I digress.

My question if people wish to discuss it, is how do you consume politics in your life? And should politics matter to the average person as much as they do? Does it matter as much as people think it does? Is it just culture? Is culture heavily influenced by politics?

Since I can't get real and/or civil political discourse online anymore. I got the occasional podcasts to fill the void.

Considering this podcast is online, I think you clearly can get the discourse you are talking about.

If you are talking about dicourse that specifically invloves you, then you have a short memory. Ive seen you disucuss topics in a civil manner, it doesnt happen often, but you are capable of it.

Also when you say 'online' thats a very broad net, because if you are only attempting debate on an RPG forum and discord where you have bad blood with the people you keep trying to engage, then your problem is quite obvious.

@POOHEAD189 yeah I'm sure discussing pseudo-intellectual figures from some obscure youtube community is fun, but I think discussing real issues like language in large continent-spanning countries with a diverse set of people with even more diverse languages is far more interesting. If discussing dumb youtube podcasts is all this thread for you might as well rename the thread, to be honest. As far as I've seen the worst insult I've seen is two people calling each other stupid, and frankly I'm not insulted and I'd have a hard time believing Burning Kitty was insulted that I called her stupid.

I don't think we need moderators to be police officers who moderate things unless it's reported -- that's how it goes in the discord as well, so unless anyone involved reported either side, I don't really see a need to stop discussing this. Especially since the alternative seems to be talking about (moronic) internet persona's and taking those same persona's seriously.

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You are stupid for assuming I don’t know another language.

They are stupid because they refused to use the tools available to them to even badly translate what they wanted to say. They intentionally put the phone away. They should’ve left it out and spoke or typed into a translation app. I would have helped them if they did that. They put forth no effort so I put forth no effort.

Find someone that understands their language or tell them that person is not available and you don't understand -- far more courteous and respectable than going 'lol no' and literally walking away leaving this person there wondering what the fuck just happened. Maybe she assumed you speak the language, because it may very well be a common language (assuming it was Spanish (you said no habla, right?) I don't even have to assume it's a common language, because it is, even in the USA) and after you said no habla, she'd try to explain herself in another language.

You wouldn't know, because you refused to properly do your job, and instead walked away on some misguided principle of 'muh language.' Wanting her to speak English is completely understandable but being rude about it is just beyond words, especially if your entire job literally revolves around helping people.

Do you walk away from tourists as well?

Do you walk away from tourists as well?

Have you not been reading?

Let me put it as simply as I can
No effort=no help
Effort=help

If you can’t understand that then go back to preschool.

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You are stupid for using arguments that can easily apply to yourself. Why should they make an effort to use a (broken) translate app if you didn't make any effort to do the same?

They are the one that wants help from me. I am not going to jump through hoops to help anyone that proves they are not going to even try.

@Burning Kitty

Dude, if you work retail it's your job to help customers, so if anyone should have put in the effort to facilitate communication, it's you.

As soon as the company starts paying for classes to learn other languages and paying for the time to attend then and only then. As it stands at work and home I only speak my language.

They are the one that wants help from me. I am not going to jump through hoops to help anyone that proves they are not going to even try.

She did try. You walked away. If you aren't gonna put effort into doing your job she shouldn't put effort into trying to talk your language.

anyways I'm out cause this thread is retarded as always, gg

<Snipped quote by Odin>Have you not been reading?

Let me put it as simply as I can
No effort=no help
Effort=help

If you can’t understand that then go back to preschool.

But she was trying. She tried to ask you a question -- and you blatantly ignored the rest of what I said, so I'll repeat it -- in a language that is very very common in the U.S.A.

Just because a customer doesn't English good doesn't mean they deserve any less service than any other person who English better.

It's honestly ridiculous that you feel entitled that customers have to put in "effort" for you to assist them. They're trying to get assistance from you but according to the story you cut them off before they even got an attempt to put in whatever necessary "effort" you require from them for you to do your job.

The point of customer service is to assist the customer and help them with whatever it is they need help with. You're just bad at your job, honestly. Treating a customer like that on such a basis is simply inexcusable.

You live in America, the country literally founded by immigrants. You're going to encounter people who don't speak English very well for a long time. If you can't handle that, then there won't be very many suitable jobs, if any at all, for you.

Just because someone doesn't speak your language does not mean you should be rude to them by ignoring them, regardless if you work in retail or not. You wouldn't do the same thing to a deaf person would you?

Aye, ive done it, some customers are older, foreign, and many other things.

IT IS YOUR JOB TO ADAPT TO THEM, sometimes you cannot help them, and struggle to understand but that is where you call over someone else who may be twin language or better able to help.

theres always a way round, you just got to think on your feet and find it.

(this was highlighted as this is the main point of any customer service)

Well, I suppose in Kitties defense, she has every right to ignore them for this and look like a jackass in response. I suppose I can understand the frustration living in a country where Turkish, Morrocan and Arab as well as Afro-American slang has taken over as the 'voertaal' in a way.

I just think responding like that makes you look like a massive cunt. But there's no laws against being a cunt. I don't think Kitty will change my mind (I am sure of that) but I don't think I'll change hers either.

Can I also add that it shouldn't matter what language they speak, their purchases pay for your wages... so if you're doing anything you're just shooting yourself in the foot for not offering customer service.

Well, I suppose in Kitties defense, she has every right to ignore them for this and look like a jackass in response. I suppose I can understand the frustration living in a country where Turkish, Morrocan and Arab as well as Afro-American slang has taken over as the 'voertaal' in a way.

I just think responding like that makes you look like a massive cunt. But there's no laws against being a cunt. I don't think Kitty will change my mind (I am sure of that) but I don't think I'll change hers either.

There are facts that if you do that too often you might not be in a job to ignore them any more.

ive dealt with impossible custumers, and yeah there frustrating but this is where thinking on feet and adaptions come in.

it might be impossible for you, but not someone else.

Can I also add that it shouldn't matter what language they speak, their purchases pay for your wages... so if you're doing anything you're just shooting yourself in the foot for not offering customer service.

I mean technically you're right but, I doubt that this one customer will make the difference between having food and having no food that month.