The Political Thread

[NuttsnBolts]

@Odin True, but at work we have an asian tradie who comes in and spends about a thousand per visit on jobs he's working for. I remember him cause he's an older guy who's bald but has a rat-tail at the back of his head (seriously awlful haircut), and cannot speak a lick of english.

Thousand per week, 52 weeks a year... it can add up in the perfect storm.

[PrinceAlexus]

@Odin True, but at work we have an asian tradie who comes in and spends about a thousand per visit on jobs he's working for. I remember him cause he's an older guy who's bald but has a rat-tail at the back of his head (seriously awlful haircut), and cannot speak a lick of english.

Thousand per week, 52 weeks a year... it can add up in the perfect storm.

@NuttsnBolts

Also.. one person talks, and another and another...

sooner or later word gets out you treated one like crap, and another may not come to you.

[Gwynbleidd]

Regardless of what Kitty has said, my views on the topic of a national language align with Theodore Roosevelt:

“In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person’s becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American … There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag … We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language … and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.”

[Fabricant451]

Regardless of what Kitty has said, my views on the topic of a national language align with Theodore Roosevelt:

“In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person’s becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American … There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag … We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language … and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.”

@Gwynbleidd

That'd be the tropical infection talking.

[SleepingSilence]

Considering this podcast is online, I think you clearly can get the discourse you are talking about.

@Dynamo Frokane

I can...through secondary/outside means.

If you are talking about dicourse that specifically invloves you, then you have a short memory. Ive seen you disucuss topics in a civil manner, it doesnt happen often, but you are capable of it.

@Dynamo Frokane

Kind of my entire point, yes. And that's unbelievably rich. But it's clear literally everyone is ignoring what got this closed the last time.

Also when you say 'online' thats a very broad net, because if you are only attempting debate on an RPG forum and discord where you have bad blood with the people you keep trying to engage, then your problem is quite obvious.

@Dynamo Frokane

That people can't learn to not hold grudges, and speak like human beings and follow the rules? Not a personal statement mind. I don't directly engage most people who make problems with me. I've always spoke broadly and generally, and those people throw themselves upon me. (I rest my case.)

And, it's "broad" because that's on purpose. In my real life, no one really even follows politics enough to have a worthwhile discussion about it. This forum ain't the only online barren wasteland of political dialogue.

There's literally an argument, happening with a moderator present. So I guess it makes it okay. About scorning someone for not being helpful in their workplace. What does that have to do with politics? Do you -have- to like/know me, for my point to be anymore legitimate?

[Dolerman]

I can...through secondary/outside means.

@SleepingSilence

What makes this online thing more secondary or outside to another online thing, is it not all just online? Where are you drawing the distinction?

Kind of my entire point, yes. And that's unbelievably rich. But it's clear literally everyone is ignoring what got this closed the last time.

@SleepingSilence

Well it's a bit of stupid point.

Also you know that a thread isnt one all encompassing argument. Its a series of many different debates and topics. And yes you did engage in debates that were civil on there. So my point stands.

That people can't learn to not hold grudges, and speak like human beings and follow the rules? Not a personal statement mind. I don't directly engage most people who make problems with me. I've always spoke broadly and generally, and those people throw themselves upon me. (I rest my case.)

And, it's "broad" because that's on purpose. In my real life, no one really even follows politics enough to have a worthwhile discussion about it. This forum ain't the only online barren wasteland of political dialogue.

There's literally an argument, happening with a moderator present. So I guess it makes it okay. About scorning someone for not being helpful in their workplace. What does that have to do with politics? Do you -have- to like/know me, for my point to be anymore legitimate?

@SleepingSilence

People can do those things. You are literally ignoring all the discourse that has happened in all the threads that has happened in a civil manner, you're only focusing on the big arguments.

You say you are speaking generally but you engage with things you disagree with just like everyone else does. Your approach doesn't really differ to most of the approaches on here to begin with, but you seem to like to talk down about these threads while repeatedly enaging with them. You would think you would just stay away but you can't help yourself.

The argument seems to be more about the politics of the legitimacy of a national language, it also seems like the people 'arguing' are actually friendly with each other and aren't taking anything too personally, who are you to decide how people should react to civil discourse? If they feel it's getting out of hand they can say something.

[SleepingSilence]

What makes this online thing more secondary or outside to another online thing, is it not all just online? Where are you drawing the distinction?

@Dynamo Frokane

I literally explained this. But to be nice, I'll explain it again. I don't get to be in the discussion, it's a passive one. Hence, outside. And it's also hard to come by in general, if I need specific podcasts to get this kind of civil, long form discussion. Hence, secondary. Not complicated.

Well it's a bit of stupid point.

@Dynamo Frokane

Coming from someone who doesn't seem to understand the point I made in the first place.

Also you know that a thread isnt one all encompassing argument. Its a series of many different debates and topics. And yes you did engage in debates that were civil on there. So my point stands.

@Dynamo Frokane

It was/is right now, hence why I'm commenting on it.

People can do those things. You are literally ignoring all the discourse that has happened in all the threads that has happened in a civil manner, you're only focusing on the big arguments.

@Dynamo Frokane

...Forest from the trees.

Yes, my comment about stop getting threads closed and ignoring moderators. Happens to solely referring to the specific people disobeying those rules...and? That is literally the point. It's not personal. It's not a comment about the thread. It's specifically condemning the repeated dismissal of ignoring things your instructed to do. (Not *your*, as in you. Mind.)

You say you are speaking generally but you engage with things you disagree with just like everyone else does. Your approach doesn't really differ to most of the approaches on here to begin with, but you seem to like to talk down about these threads while repeatedly enaging with them. You would think you would just stay away but you can't help yourself.

@Dynamo Frokane

This isn't a political disagreement. It's an opened imploring to obey the outlined rules in this instance. But this entire conversation is just bleeding too much irony. So just going to cut it off, if you don't mind.

The argument seems to be more about the politics of the legitimacy of a national language, it also seems like the people 'arguing' are actually friendly with each other and aren't taking anything too personally, who are you to decide how people should react to civil discourse? If they feel it's getting out of hand they can say something.

@Dynamo Frokane

If calling everyone stupid is friendly I guess. Thanks for the kind words. (And they did, the person who made this said that. And they also happen to be a discord mod...)

[Dolerman]

Coming from someone who doesn't seem to understand the point I made in the first place.

It was/is right now, hence why I'm commenting on it.

@SleepingSilence

So here's a point you clearly do not understand.

Threads have a multitude of different topics and different people discussing different things in tandem. Judging the entire thread based on the odd argument is very short sighted. Or do you need to be reminded of all the times it doesn't happen? Because you seem to be struggling with that fact.

[Sanctus Spooki]

And we are right back to the old thread, back to lurking and laughing.

I enjoyed the brief intermission of rational discourse. Oh well. Tolerance will always breed insolence.

[Gwynbleidd]

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That'd be the tropical infection talking.

@Fabricant451

Damn this malaria!

[Dion]

Regardless of what Kitty has said, my views on the topic of a national language align with Theodore Roosevelt:

“In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person’s becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American … There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag … We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language … and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.”

@Gwynbleidd

spoken like a true american

country build on the backs of poor foreigners that speak barely any english

[Pepperm1nts]

That quote is blind patriotism and it's toxic. There's nothing wrong with speaking multiple languages, being proud of your home country, or practicing the culture of that place. No one is any less American for doing those things. I'm all for assimilation and I think everyone who comes into a new country should do their best to assimilate, but if they want to hold on to a piece of their original culture, or their original language, they can do that and it doesn't make them any less American. In my book, if you're an American, you're an American. End of story.

[Gwynbleidd]

Agree to disagree on both counts, have a good day.

[skidcrow]

Agree to disagree on both counts, have a good day.

@Gwynbleidd

spoken like a true American

[Gwynbleidd]

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spoken like a true American

@Mara

Yessiree! I'm just out 'ere a try'n to spread y'all the good word. God Bless.

[Polymorpheus]

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[Dolerman]

Agree to disagree on both counts, have a good day.

@Gwynbleidd

@Pepperm1nts

[skidcrow]

@Dynamo Frokane now you don't even bother to find high-quality images anymore, where has the time gone

[Dolerman]

@Mara Your responses match the quality of the image so it's all good.

[POOHEAD189]

I don't believe that a person should give up their national identity or heritage merely because they moved to the united states, but I will say it's rather recalcitrant to actively not accept the culture and language of the country you've moved to, even if it isn't an official language. It's practical to know. And if you've moved to a country, it's very stubborn and ungrateful to actively live against, or rather to not try and aid the state with your respect for its customs and language of the land. The state would be getting no benefit to your having come there.
I agree governments should be more charitable than conservatives believe they should be, definitely. But to take that as a 'given' is just spoiled.

spoken like a true american

country build on the backs of poor foreigners that speak barely any english

@Odin

Isn't it great the dutch paid others to do their atrocities for them. Made their resume' nice and clean. Or if they could afford to, they'd sailed across the world to commit the rest of their moral crimes.

spoken like a true American

@Mara

"I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place."

Winston Churchill, spoken like a true Briton

Now I don't believe my two examples are truly examples of your countries, but it's an equivalency and I don't believe you should be so dismissive.