@Parallel Hearts
Reducing Bravery is fine, but I'd just like to add that Herc's Bravery is actually A+ and I only gave Ilya that high of a score because aside from feats and being around Fergus's level of Bravery (who I think also has it at A), he also actually shrugs off a mental interference effect used on him. Also actually Russian Hercules, etc etc

With Bravery being reduced tho, could I raise Karushka's Bravery rank to being only one below Ilya's?

@Parallel HeartsThanks, will do once I get back from work.

@KoLA bit slow on my part but... Black funeral outfit + White wedding armor, huh? Not a bad combination.

@YankeeIf you feel like bouncing a few ideas on how your character could be made stronger, I'm game. Just give a shout.

@Parallel Hearts
Reducing Bravery is fine, but I'd just like to add that Herc's Bravery is actually A+ and I only gave Ilya that high of a score because aside from feats and being around Fergus's level of Bravery (who I think also has it at A), he also actually shrugs off a mental interference effect used on him. Also actually Russian Hercules, etc etc

With Bravery being reduced tho, could I raise Karushka's Bravery rank to being only one below Ilya's?

Speaking of, does the horse qualify for the melee bonus? I don't think it knows horse martial arts, does it?

@Parallel Hearts Archer is complete except for the lack of a face, unless you want me to add more information about his Noble Phantasm.

Also, if anyone wants to go through the difficulty of pairing their Master with this guy let me know. If not, better grab someone else before you get stuck with him.

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Speaking of, does the horse qualify for the melee bonus? I don't think it knows horse martial arts, does it?

I'd have to think on the implications more. It isn't Red Hare in terms of Horse-Fu, but it did fight things pretty well.
_{the horse is actually deku tho}

I'd have to think on the implications more. It isn't Red Hare in terms of Horse-Fu, but it did fight things pretty well.

Ah, if it wasn't designed that way I guess not then. Since we're on the subject of One for All, what's your maximum effective strength output for All-Might? I'm legitimately curious. The first skill sorta implies at least Monster tier, which is up there. I'm a Caster so none of this is relevant to me, I'm just curious. Your sheet has some cool stuff, tiny little bits and implications like that.

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Ah, if it wasn't designed that way I guess not then. Since we're on the subject of One for All, what's your maximum effective strength output for All-Might? I'm legitimately curious. The first skill sorta implies at least Monster tier, which is up there. I'm a Caster so none of this is relevant to me, I'm just curious. Your sheet has some cool stuff, tiny little bits and implications like that.

Yeah, for Rider, I'd say max output is at around Monster-Tier. Svyatogor's got some ridiculous things about him tho, but I didn't want to touch it since it would feel too cheaty. As a Saber, it could reach greater heights.

The only other factor for his super-strength would honestly be if the war took place in Russia, which thank god it doesn't.

@Cu Chulainn
Well, if simply having feats like killing a dragon or something like this were enough to justify A Rank Bravery, almost all of the canon Servants would have it, instead of it being a really rare skill even at low ranks.

You don't need it to block mental interference either. You already have the highest rank of Magic Resistance that's achievable for pretty much any but a handful of Servants. There's almost no mental effect that would do anything to your character as he's now.

As for the horse. I don't think that would be alright either to keep on allowing it to have C Rank Bravery. I don't think it's even needed as skill to begin with, but if you want to keep it at two ranks lower, you can.

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Speaking of, does the horse qualify for the melee bonus? I don't think it knows horse martial arts, does it?

To say the truth, my opinion is similar to yours, since that skill is more about the capacity and courage to fight against great threats unarmed (in the case of the Greeks who have it, it also represents their knowledge of Pankration), than being Brave.

However, like I said before, I'm trying to not get too hung on canon if it can be avoided and not shutdown people's ideas needlessly. So, I'm on board with letting a horse know kung-fu if that's what their player is interested into and not it doesn't bend the internal logic of the setting too much.

@Cu Chulainn@Parallel Hearts

Understood on both ends. I was just curious more or less.

@King Cosmos

Well, Archer is ok as he's. Granted that, knowing how he looks would be really good, since imagining a mute, shapeless blob will be kinda hard for everyone, I guess.

On the subject of his Noble Phantasm. I just would like to have an idea of what class of Phantasmal Species those hounds are. Or if they are or not Phantasmals at all.

@Cu Chulainn@Parallel Hearts

Understood on both ends. I was just curious more or less.

Sure, no worries.

@heroic2019

Well, then I guess we are set as a duo.

Hopefully my sheet should be up soon. In that case;

If anyone is a fan of dragon loli Kings, give me a call!

_{please don't get offended at my horrible joke}

Your character is basically alright as well. But I have to ask why does he get the benefits of being considered a rightful ruler by his NP of he stole it instead of being given it rightfully?

Not so much stole as conquered and took as spoils of war, but the two things aren't really connected. He's the rightful king of England, and the stone offers its benefits to any rightful king, even if they aren't its proper owner. After all, it went from Ireland to Scotland to England just fine.

@Parallel Hearts
I suppose it's fair to take the nerf then after looking at Lu Bu also having Bravery at B. I just felt like Ilya was someone who'd have it since he actually tanks multiple instances of fear and casually 1v1s whole armies. After thinking on theming more though, I'd say that a higher Bravery would make more sense for a Staging Ground Ilya. After throwing the nerfs on, he'd be clear to move to the CSheet section, right?

@King Cosmos
Heyy if you're looking for more ideas for skills while it's still time, why not tack on Eye of the Mind (False) kinda like Orion's? They're both cool Artemis hunters and I think it'd fit the themes you were going for, and gives Actaeon more to do with himself and his dogs.

Well, Archer is ok as he's. Granted that, knowing how he looks would be really good, since imagining a mute, shapeless blob will be kinda hard for everyone, I guess.

On the subject of his Noble Phantasm. I just would like to have an idea of what class of Phantasmal Species those hounds are. Or if they are or not Phantasmals at all.

I'll add a face claim later, I just don't have the means to do so at the moment.

As for his hounds... I could use some help with that. They aren't Phantasmal Species, just regular dogs, so their existence is closer to representations of the hounds Actaeon had in life created by the Grail. I thought there was a term for things like that, beings summoned as part of an NP, but I can't remember what it is; I thought they were called Pseudo-Servants but that's something else.

Hey if you're looking for more ideas for skills while it's still time, why not tack on Eye of the Mind (False) kinda like Orion's? They're both cool Artemis hunters and I think it'd fit the themes you were going for, and gives Actaeon more to do with himself and his dogs.

I think if Actaeon had Eye of the Mind (False) he would have known better than to peek on a Goddess in the bath.

I did consider adding that skill, but I was going for a Servant who's better as a hunter than an archer or warrior and it didn't seem entirely appropriate; though now that I look at the skill more closely, Actaeon would be the type to have really good instincts I think. There's also the issue of there being a limit of 3 skills on OC Servants; I could replace Animal Dialog with EotM since I'm not sure being able to give non-verbal orders his hounds is enough to qualify as a skill.

I think if Actaeon had Eye of the Mind (False) he would have known better than to peek on a Goddess in the bath.

Mad lad

I did consider adding that skill, but I was going for a Servant who's better as a hunter than an archer or warrior and it didn't seem entirely appropriate; though now that I look at the skill more closely, Actaeon would be the type to have really good instincts I think. There's also the issue of there being a limit of 3 skills on OC Servants; I could replace Animal Dialog with EotM since I'm not sure being able to give non-verbal orders his hounds is enough to qualify as a skill.

Actually Orion's EotM explicitly implies that its based off of his exceptional hunting talents. The skill could be applied to hunting and tracking better too, not just explicitly in combat. As for Animal Dialogue, having his hounds as an NP already implies they're more or less under his control so long as he doesn't get stag'd, which removes the need for the skill honestly. Just don't make the same mistake he makes in his myth pls.

Time to apply Artemis. . .

Actually Orion's EotM explicitly implies that its based off of his exceptional hunting talents. The skill could be applied to hunting and tracking better too, not just explicitly in combat. As for Animal Dialogue, having his hounds as an NP already implies they're more or less under his control so long as he doesn't get stag'd, which removes the need for the skill honestly.

I think I got EotM and Clairvoyance mixed up, or maybe Instinct. I'll probably drop Animal Dialogue.

Just don't make the same mistake he makes in his myth pls.

I just realised it's going to be real awkward when it comes time for him to make his wish. Maybe he could write it down and put it in the Grail.

@heroic2019

Well, then I guess we are set as a duo.

Yes. Let us have a fun time during this grail war.

@Parallel HeartsThe Saber team is set!

Might look for a command spell image later.