So I was going to originally come here, and laugh at some of obvious shilling and the white knighting I saw on twitter about this game, which is officially more absurd than the criticism ever was.

So my roommate brought it and already saw/showed me graphical errors & pop in.

And apparently there's an overly complicated progress in order to even make a new game/no starting menu.

And he's upset that he can't call his Scorbunny, 'Aids'. (Vermin, was his next choice for the curious.)

And because I want to be nice and still give a price drop PSA, roommate still got the game for like $49 bucks at Walmart (no, not at same price as the online deal sale), which is still 10 bucks cheaper than if you get it online or at other retail chains, so if you still want to buy the amazaballs game, say IGN, you can already get it *cheaper* if you know where to look.

Yeah how dare people enjoy a game! Fuck those guys! They should be mad because Dexit!

I heard that if something's not on screen they don't even render it! How lazy are these devs? I can't believe they would opt for a smoother gameplay experience! Other games don't have pop in!

It's really hard to delete your save data, you have to go through TWO separate Switch menus! The horror! Unlike before where you had to do a button combination that wasn't ever told to you, that's definitely preferable to just...deleting save data or making a new profile!

Well he sounds like a hoot.

I paid $120 for both versions step up, yo.

More like, people claiming they can't be disappointed about the entire list of missing features because there's kids starving in Mozambique.

Yes, more polished games with better graphics, on the same console. I took at look at it and yeah, you can't tell me it was the best they could do. The idea that this game wasn't rushed to get it out before Black Friday (or more likely Christmas) is something I very much doubt.

The process simply sounded tedious when he explained it in greater detail.

But your witticisms don't really matter to me, as I really haven't played/been a fan of the games. So this new critic obsession with "people don't like the new thing because of changes that take away the value from a previous experience, so I'm going to defend this one by saying old games suck now/more." doesn't really register with me.

(Though the three button press, I looked it up, takes one google search and a few seconds. So yes, the new option certainly takes longer. So that point seems a bit moot.)

Yeah how dare he have a sense of humor! Fuck that guy! They should be consuming the product!

In the same way I think disappointed fans don't have to be merely complacent.

And the idea (expressed a lot by others, not specifically yourself) that people can't have opinions either way "until it comes out/purchase it themselves" is obviously fallacious. As the people wouldn't have gotten something like the new less shitty looking Sonic. (Not that, that will improve the movie itself, but hey good PR and it won't give the kiddies night terrors anymore.)

listen

all i'm sayin' is

pokeMMO made me have more fun with pokemon than anything pokemon gen 6 and onward

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6 is the second best one so that's a bad opinion but okay

As long as we all agree 5 is the best okay thanks.

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weird way to spell 4

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Weird way to spell worst.

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Now I know I can't take your opinion seriously ever again

When it comes to people enjoying the game even with its flaws (which range from minor to 'blown out of proportion' to 'actually wrong') or the people who would bring up Iwata as "THE GAME WOULD NEVER BE RELEASED IF HE WERE ALIVE" or the people petitioning for the government to stop selling it, I'm gonna go ahead and side with the former. People aren't out here saying the game is a perfect, flawless masterpiece. They are saying that it's a fun game because it's fucking Pokemon and Pokemon is a fun game. You're allowed to like a game despite its issues. That doesn't make you a shill and it makes you sound far more reasonable than people who post the same gif of a turning legendary or "DEXIT DEXIT DEXIT" or a fucking tree on every post about Pokemon.

Jedi: Fallen Order was rushed. That game could have used six more months to sort out its stability issues, its load times, optimization, and hiccups. It's still a good game. SwSh runs at a consistent frame rate when docked (other than the Wild Area which also has hundreds of other people all running around and Nintendo has always struggled with online connectivity) and part of the reason it keeps the framerate is the render distance. It's not bad graphics or lazy development or whatever because the game pops in 3D models when they come into render distance: that's how game development works.

How did he explain it, with a fucking powerpoint? It doesn't take longer. You don't even have to load up the game and it deletes data FASTER.

I can defend this game without having to compare it to old games. I also don't get my information second hand. Disssssssss.

Yeah, that's so funny.

If the past six months have taught people anything it's that disappointed fans both can't help themselves from shouting and also still buying the game anyway. No one is saying fans don't have a right to be disappointed; but people can enjoy the game without being demonized because of it.

You know what's a bad precedent? Shouting at people to make them change something you don't like. People can certainly have opinions, but we're dealing with an audience of people who disagree with high reviews on games they already told themselves will suck (vice versa for games they convinced would be amazing and then aren't). Outrage culture is a vocal minority that acts like a majority. But if you don't play a game because you personally think it's not worth your time/value/whatever that's fine, but you also waive the right to make informed personal opinions on the quality of the finished, purchased product.

Well you still could, but I'd sooner trust the opinion of someone who has actually played/experienced the product good or bad.

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Game critics are giving it near perfect scores. But yes, yes you can like or dislike something for pretty much any reason one chooses. *I don't want to spam more examples of the white knighting, because we'd be here all day.

Kay? And games that aren't rushed, don't have those problems. Games can be fun, rushed. Bad movies can be fun ironically. Until we can argue complacency with laziness is good, don't think we're getting anywhere.

Granted, he's not exactly the most tech literate. Though, it 'deletes faster' because of the Switch.

Well, you'd be wrong. So...

You can fun ticket him later, Chief.

This statement seems a bit confused, the former sounds like you're mocking fans for fandom.

And the later you're lambasting those that demonize fans who usually buy things because of nostalgia. (A thing this game does pander too, by adding a lot of 1 gen pokemon in the Dex.) Why can't you enjoy or dislike something & rightfully criticize it?

And if you didn't happen to read my thing, or just forgot already, there's literally people saying you can't be sad about the game. But I digress.

Sure, outrage culture bad. But then again, it's an erroneous comparison, as most of the time, the people hating something for social/political reasons would've never purchased the thing in the first place.

Because you say this like it's a universal rule, but it's not at all, and I'd argue most "angry gamers" incidents are almost always justified grievances. (Bad apples aside.)

And the last bit seems oddly doubtful for some reason, maybe because my roommate has it, and I can literally watch him play and everything. (I can even play it myself.) And you don't seem to thrilled about him having an opinion, or was one of the gazillion (estimated figure) people who played pokemon who called their rival a bad word.

Aren't the very best things in entertainment, even better when you think or go into detail about them and analyze what they got right?

Yes and? Thank you for agreeing with me, I guess?

Your room mate isn't here giving his opinion. You are. And I got called a shill because I said "I'm having fun with it, it's not my favorite but camping is cute" so you know, takes all kinds. Says the king of parade shitting.

It's got an 81 on Metacritic. 'Near perfect' scores is more like 'It's good because Pokemon is a baseline of good'. Guess what? Critics are people too, and chances are they at least have an informed opinion on something well before anyone else does.

Games that aren't rushed often do have those problems. Case in point, Bloodborne, or Red Dead Redemption 2, or a handful of others I could easily mention. What evidence do you have that the game was 'rushed' other than the fact that they announced the game being in development PRIOR to Let's Go even being out and then a year after Let's Go it comes out in the Nintendo Holiday Slot. It's easy to say something is rushed when you don't have anything other than belief.

I'd be wrong for...defending a game without comparing it to older games? Uh, no I wouldn't. Am I wrong in saying you're getting your information second hand? Because you're literally saying that. Unless your room mate is imaginary.

I am saying that review bombing something with criticisms that aren't helpful.

Especially when those same people buy the fucking game anyway.

I wouldn't. The only time in recent memory where there was any justification was Battlefront 2 and guess the fuck what, before the game came out they did away with the loot box business.

There's a difference between criticism and analysis.

This thread is not for offensive memes (do not post them), personal baiting, and so forth. Don't be a dick. Dialogue and Debate is natural but we should remember to keep things grounded in the rules of the site; specifically the rule that we should not stoop to personal attacks, flamebaiting, and trolling.

If it wasn't for Platinum, gen 4 would be second only to gen 7 in terms of worst. Instead it gets to be like, 4th or 5th.

Just tidying this up bit.

Helps when I'm not trying to argue quite as desperately as you are at the moment. ^-^'

So, are you trying to turn this into a personal argument? Like, what does, "I got called this" have to do with what was replied to? It seems to imply I'm the one that said it. Same with the former statement. (While most of your complaints boil down to how if I don't play, I can't say "Yeah, that's texture pop-in alright.") But no, you're wrong. I am saying, what my roommate is saying, and only confirming what I saw with my eyes. You can't make a "you aren't playing it argument", for more reasons than one, almost like my roommate got it for me or something. But ignoring that, your argument (which at this point I'm not sure what it is anymore.) is purely dismissive and erroneous.

Originally, first reviews were all 90's.

And yeah...game critics are more frequent proof that they *don't* have informed opinions on games.

That last part is contradicting later statements about you permitting people to have opinions or reservations about a game. But no, Bloodborne and RD2, didn't have the same problems this game does. But this is steering farther off topic.

I feel like explaining why would be wasted time. Not that having trusted people giving you their takes is bad anyway...I mean you're literally defending the critics...

I guess would you prefer people pirate the media?

But why can't you criticize something and buy/try it anyway?

Because criticism is occasionally negative sounding, and you can't have that ruining the fun, can we?

If can TDLR this: This whole thing is "You can't talk about a thing, if you didn't see/play it. Insert insults and rage here."

I have played the game...so now you're okay with the criticism that my roommate gave it right?

I wasn't calling or saying anything about you, or what you have to say about the game. And *my roommates* opinion and observations are so mild as is. That the over the top reaction seems to highlight that you (if this isn't just been all for my sake.) can't accept the lightest issues brought up about games you personally enjoy. But that isn't my judgement to make.

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To get back on topic, I do have a question.

What makes Diamond, Pearl, & Platinum such a bad generation for you, exactly? I've always thought it was one of the stronger generations with its features, content, and protagonists. I mean I still prefer the generation preceding it due to Fire Red and Leaf Green being excellent updates of the original games to the features that were new at the time with additional polish.