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Thank you. Don't have to overdo it, just tip the scales back a liiiiiittle bit. There's nothing in there that I'd mind getting added back in when upgrades start rolling around, just a touch less from the jump.


While I call it a new draft, the only things changed were in the mech portion. I also made a summary of the changes.





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While I call it a new draft, the only things changed were in the mech portion. I also made a summary of the changes.





It's a little different, and that's probably what's throwing me for a bit of a loop. Looking over the revised version, I think I'm satisfied. Go ahead and and toss her up in the Character tab!
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Alright! I think that's everything. Ready for a review.
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Room for one more, or y'all full up?
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we got anotherrrr
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Ayy, more pilots!
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Room for one more, or y'all full up?


Plenty of room!

Interested, just not 100% sure about having the time.



Nothing worries me here, but a model that small would definitely be running a scaled down Oberth reactor rather than a full size version. Wouldn't change anything for its own purposes, but it just wouldn't be pumping out as much juice as the larger ones.

Feel free to move him to the character tab. Before you do, though, I do want to warn you that the Outrider could stand to have some issues when it comes to combat encounters when they start. If you want to stick with it you're welcome to, but I wanted to give you the heads up.
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Plenty of room!

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Nothing worries me here, but a model that small would definitely be running a scaled down Oberth reactor rather than a full size version. Wouldn't change anything for its own purposes, but it just wouldn't be pumping out as much juice as the larger ones.

Feel free to move him to the character tab. Before you do, though, I do want to warn you that the Outrider could stand to have some issues when it comes to combat encounters when they start. If you want to stick with it you're welcome to, but I wanted to give you the heads up.


That does raise the question of how big the Oberth reactor normally is?
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Feel free to move him to the character tab. Before you do, though, I do want to warn you that the Outrider could stand to have some issues when it comes to combat encounters when they start. If you want to stick with it you're welcome to, but I wanted to give you the heads up.


Yeah, no surprise there. It is speced for reconnaissance, stealth-ops and target designation; not frontline combat. I expect there to be plenty of running, hiding and poking things in the back with high-velocity explosive metal sticks.
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That does raise the question of how big the Oberth reactor normally is?


Pretty good sized. Big enough that smaller machines usually run on fusion instead. The capacitors are a bigger factor than the size of the reactor itself, but for all intents and purposes they can be counted as the same unit due to the most common layout. Considering the size of an average Orbital at ~20m, but the Fortuna at 16.8, gives about a 6m clearance for its height. Taking into account everything in its torso I'd guesstimate that an Oberth reactor isn't usually any smaller than 4m tall at the usual scale.

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Yeah, no surprise there. It is speced for reconnaissance, stealth-ops and target designation; not frontline combat. I expect there to be plenty of running, hiding and poking things in the back with high-velocity explosive metal sticks.


Okay, just wanted to make sure you had forewarning. I'd have felt bad if you didn't. You're all set.
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Pretty good sized. Big enough that smaller machines usually run on fusion instead. The capacitors are a bigger factor than the size of the reactor itself, but for all intents and purposes they can be counted as the same unit due to the most common layout. Considering the size of an average Orbital at ~20m, but the Fortuna at 16.8, gives about a 6m clearance for its height. Taking into account everything in its torso I'd guesstimate that an Oberth reactor isn't usually any smaller than 4m tall at the usual scale.

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Okay, just wanted to make sure you had forewarning. I'd have felt bad if you didn't. You're all set.


Hmm. Glad I asked, that means I need to specify either in my CS or IC a few things, since it must have slipped under the radar how small the S.A.T.A.N. is, heh. Which would be better to specify that in? Basically I just need to say that there's a full sized Oberth in the Metatron but the Satan uses a smaller one for itself.
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Hmm. Glad I asked, that means I need to specify either in my CS or IC a few things, since it must have slipped under the radar how small the S.A.T.A.N. is, heh. Which would be better to specify that in? Basically I just need to say that there's a full sized Oberth in the Metatron but the Satan uses a smaller one for itself.


Um. It's been pointed out to me that I read how the Metatron/S.A.T.A.N. gimmick worked really wrong, and as a result missed its size. I'll get back to you on that.
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Looking over what's been posted so far, I'm struggling to find an actual niche to fill. I've got a few ideas floating around, but they're too vague for me to actually use quite yet.
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Nothing wrong with a little overlap— almost every modern military prides itself on generalism and redundancies (for better or for worse). Sometimes two people who can fill a certain role are much better than one. What if something happens to the other guy?

To speak of that— heads up to anyone i haven’t told, but my keyboard is out of commission at the moment. Hopefully I can get this issue solved by the end of the weekend, but if not don’t feel obligated to wait on my account.
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we could always use more artillery mecha

area saturation bombardment
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Honestly, at this point, any kind of mech would probably be welcome; whether that's more artillery, more artillery support, or gasp- something non-artillery related? Heresy. On a more serious note, pick whichever strikes your fancy. It's not like we're particularly lacking for anything, so if you can't decide, you could pick up a generalist role.
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if caas doesn’t shut up i’m redlining the beam saber and accelerating operation morgan just to spite him
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Hmm. Glad I asked, that means I need to specify either in my CS or IC a few things, since it must have slipped under the radar how small the S.A.T.A.N. is, heh. Which would be better to specify that in? Basically I just need to say that there's a full sized Oberth in the Metatron but the Satan uses a smaller one for itself.

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Um. It's been pointed out to me that I read how the Metatron/S.A.T.A.N. gimmick worked really wrong, and as a result missed its size. I'll get back to you on that.


Okay, so first off this is my bad. I dropped the ball on reading it line by line and I missed that the S.A.T.A.N. was so small. Somehow I got it in my head a different idea of how the form change worked and I interpreted everything after that in light of how I thought it worked and missed how it was supposed to work.

Which does leave us with a conundrum. 4m is just too small to fit in the destructive potential the S.A.T.A.N. has, even setting aside the fact that you couldn't fit a proper Oberth reactor inside of it. At 4m a person takes up more than a third of its total space just by being inside it to pilot, which doesn't leave space for a reactor, capacitors, weapon systems, and all of the other necessities packed into it as it stands right now. The Outrider has the issue of power generation but it also doesn't have a ton to run. The most energy intensive systems it has are the stealth ones, and considering it doesn't use much in the way of beam weapons and its low mass even a smaller Oberth reactor could believably manage that, and the Outrider is still 150% the size of the S.A.T.A.N. in its present form. It meanwhile has a lot more destructive potential even without factoring in the energy wings.

There are a couple of ways we can go about this. The issue as it stands is that it's too strong and too energy intensive for its size. So the two options that I see, really, are to bump up the size and put the main reactor in the Metatron with a supplemental one in the S.A.T.A.N. One of its flaws is its power consumption anyway, so that would fit. The other option is to scale down the S.A.T.A.N.'s offensive power a little bit more and run it on capacitors alone charged by the main reactor in the Metatron. That would give it a shorter operational time, but still a reason for it to be able to function at its size. Again, a lot of this stuff can change down the road. But right now with the tech level present the S.A.T.A.N. just isn't really feasible. If it was possible to build an Orbital that small without a substantial loss in power, everyone would be doing it.

Looking over what's been posted so far, I'm struggling to find an actual niche to fill. I've got a few ideas floating around, but they're too vague for me to actually use quite yet.


I wouldn't worry about finding a unique niche overly much. I think I wouldn't advise making a target designator sort of machine (we've got two of them), but there are 70+ machines on board the Pyxis. There's going to be overlap for certain.

That said, we don't have anything in the vein of dedicated space/air superiority if you wanted to go that route.
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No worries, I'll figure it out when I get up tomorrow.
The original idea (which I'll probably stick with in terms of the cockpit if I up the size anyway) is that, like the mech it gets its face claim from, the cockpit is horizontal instead of vertical, so the operator takes up less room since they're basically laying on it instead of in a seat, but that doesn't really justify it enough to get by. That's also why I had it use energy canisters instead of running mostly off its own power for damage output and flight, where they would be charged exclusively outside of battle, but again I could see it not being good enough.
Do you have a suggestion on the size that would make sense? I'm sort of of multiple minds about it; on the one hand I could probably make the Metatron bigger to allow for a similar concept as what I have but that would lead to other problems I'm sure. On another I could leave it but scale up the S.A.T.A.N. to the minimum plausible size, but then again it being unable to run very long on its own power is sort of the whole idea, so... I suppose now that I think about it that if the METATRON had an Oberth of its own, then it could be used to recharge rather than be a "drop when no longer needed and recover separately" sort of armor like I had planned.
I guess what I'll need to know is what the minimum size increase would have to be, and how much of a scaling-back the power would need if it was running off a supplemental, or even just capacitors. Or what a good middle ground mixing of the two options would be?
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