I dunno it was getting pretty heated back there and i'm almost sure we're gonna hear it from the CO-GM. Eh it's over now so i'm just gonna go play on my 360 and hope that Elsa doesn't kill us all over this.
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Well, can't say much here. And yeah, I'm with Kael there.
Seeing as how everyone seems incredibly reluctant to give me a proper description of how this power works, I've looked it up myself. It only activates when used against an opponent's most powerful attack. This only works if it is their most powerful attack, and is absolutely and completely useless against well-rounded mages such as most of the masters in the series, or, of course, Stein. Furthermore, the blade does not cut it's opponent in half, it rather causes a small hole more-less the size of a pebble, the minimal amount to gauge out the heart.
There, this has been solved. Now, based on the fact that I want this fight to be over, I will compromise and agree to both characters living, despite the fact that Fragrach should not have been used in this manner, and has been abused in these fights. In the future, I shall react appropriately, and be researching every item Gilgamesh pulls out. Now I need to go calm down.
No, not today. I'd given you more then enough times to compromise, and even agreed to give you all the information on a characters ability after the fight was over. I did so because I have the greatest knowledge of that universe here; there's practically nothing I don't know about the Nasuverse. I know every weakness and every strength Gilgamesh has, and as someone just trying to diffuse the situation, I'm not going to assist one side or the other in the fight.
Had you said yes, you would accept a Out of Character compromise, I would've given you the information. But you didn't want that. You wanted a negotiation on your terms; as I suspected, no less.
It's clear you didn't see me as a neutral party, rather, as an obstacle in your way. So, you went to the wiki, got some basic information, and then declared you're "letting him live". I know this universe well, far more than anyone on that wikia.
My question wasn't whether or not you'd ICly let him live. If it was if you were fine with the concept. So then, allow me to explain why Lax is being generous and allowing you to live right now. Because believe me, even if we assume the heart was switched, Stein should be a fine, pink mist.
It only activates when used against an opponent's most powerful attack.
Oh~? Who said it was limited to just attacks~? The wikia has lied, once more. The following is a quote from Fate Hollow Ataraxia. Naturally, all my quotes can be backed by screen caps if need be. This particular one is from a certain beasts lair.
The Noble Phantasm it has seems to be the type that's always on, because Fragarach activated right away.
Her aim was true, and her shot struck right in its heart, bringing that big mother down once and for all... or at least that's what should have happened. Instead, it'd completely revived ten seconds later and kept charging straight for us.
Back from the brink of death in perfect health.
In other words, a "body that knows no death" - that's the big mother's Noble Phantasm.
After she wasted her Fragarach on it, Bazett's whole body went rigid.
And with her frozen there as that monstrous thing came bearing down on her, I personally think it was awfully nice of me give her a little push out of harm's way via a flying kick to the side.
The pain. It felt like he barely grazed me, but that was enough to send me flying, too.
The big guy's sights are now set on me, standing right in its path, and I look up to see an axe the size of a Grecian pillar raised over my head.
To even think about eating a hit from that would be crazy, and my chances of slipping by unharmed were stupendously low. So then, when things were at their darkest, just as I was thinking that, ah, this must be what they call instant death,
who should come to my rescue but the very same Bazett I'd just kicked away from the big mother. She leveled her second Fragarach at its face and fired, striking it right between the eyes.
「Now's our chance! Come on, we're making a run for it...!」
Seems like she fired her second Fragarach not to kill, but to try and blind it.
But even a huge hole in its face didn't stop that big mother - or the axe it held. So that's when Bazett grabbed me by the hand and made a break for the forest.
Oh, right. Lax was being nice. In the first place, Fragarch doesn't have to target the heart. Any place can be selected freely. He could've just aimed for your head, you know. But he didn't, because he never went into this with the intent to kill you from the very start.
But you may ask, well, couldn't that be the dumb fire Fragarch? Well that wiki of yours is right, its dumb fire mode isn't A rank. Only retaliator. So then how is it that it HAS to be the retaliator being used right now? Allow BB Sensei to explain. Hercules, in other words, Berserker in that quote, has a very special ability. It's called "God Hand". It gives him 11 resurrections upon death. But that's not all. Any attack at or below B rank will be completely and utterly ignored.
God Hand: Twelve Labors
Rank: B
Type: Anti-Unit
Range: -
Maximum Targets:
A blessing of Gods, as well as a curse. It is a Noble Phantasm given to Heracles, representing immortality. This Noble Phantasm does not have an overt external manifestation such as a weapon or armour, but if you hazard to put a shape to it, the body itself can be called the Noble Phantasm. God Hand turns one’s body into a tough suit of armour and nullifies all attacks Rank B or lower, regardless the attack being physical or magical. It also has the effect of automatic resurrection after death. Because the resurrection effect has 11 uses, Heracles cannot perish unless killed 12 times. In addition, due to Ilya’s immense magical energy, given enough time, the lives lost can also be regenerated.
Resurrection as well as attack-nullification. Besides these two effects, God Hand also possesses a third effect: rendering an attack that it has experienced before useless. Regardless how powerful is the Noble Phantasm that defeated Heracles, it would be completely nullified after he resurrects.
Here, take a nice screen backing that up.
As BB Sensei had demonstrated, Bazett used Fragarch on God Hand, Berserkers "Trump Card". Attacks have nothing to do with it.
Furthermore, the blade does not cut it's opponent in half, it rather causes a small hole more-less the size of a pebble, the minimal amount to gauge out the heart.
Does that look like a "small hole more-less the size of a pebble" to you?
Allow me to expand upon that thought, glad you brought it up.
As you've likely seen on that wiki page, Fragarch goes "A rank" when its used as a retaliation strike. Normally, it's just D or C rank level Noble Phantasm.
Allow me to explain how powerful an A rank Noble Phantasm is.
There are two scales. One is the "Strength" scale that normal attacks and magecraft produce. A C rank Noble Phantasm is equal to an A rank STR/Magecraft attack on this scale. Further, all ranks are backed up by numbers E=10 D=20, C=30, B=40, A=50, etc.
Heroic Spirit EMIYA has D rank STR. Thus, the arrows he fires do D rank damage.
You can see it, right? So then his arrow based attacks are rank "D". It's completely confirmed right here that his STR is D, thus all his normal attacks are D.
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Just to make it clear that he isn't firing Noble Phantasms in this next sequence, I've added an extra screen verifying that.
No, the word "arrow" is an understatement.
It's like a barrage from a machine gun, and each shot could pierce through rocks.
Eight shots of that.
It should be able to mow down houses, but…
Of course you can just argue that "Well it was 8 shots and it may have been just two houses, so it wasn't that powerful". So here, let me double back dis.
In response, a silver light comes flying out of nowhere.
The silver light strikes the giant right in his temple.
The arrow that came flying through the air is as powerful as a tank shell.
No matter what this giant may be, he has to take some damage from that.
So then we can establish- at a minimum, a D rank attack is equal to a tank shell in strength.
Fragarch in this state is an A rank attack on the Noble Phantasm scale. D rank attacks on the standard scale are equal to a tankshell.
Lets convert, shall we? Well, you can do the math yourself if you like, but to put it into terms, An A rank Noble Phantasm is equal to 70 on the normal scale. 20 is a tank shell. Well...? Do you think a normal human can catch that with their hands~? It wouldn't even be that. That entire arm would be blown off, and Steins entire body would be ruptured from having such a large explosion being near him. He'd turn into a fine, pink mist. Even if his body weren't totally destroyed, his entire body would be wrecked, and he'd likely fly off away from where Gilgamesh is. There is no chance for counter attack if Fragarch connects.
After all Cu is a servant, yet he got nearly blown in half. But remember, he has battle continuation and endurance that lets him shrug off tank shells class attacks.
Oh, and I can also go off about how it cancels the momentum and essence of the attacking force is cancelled as well, so you can' say "Well, he'd just lean forward and try again." I didn't post that here because it'd take like 12 pictures, but I sure can if you want debate me on it.
All of this is assuming your plan works. We're not even debating whether or not he can get past the yukari barrier and if the Stein heart is conceptually Steins heart, or if it'll just pierce both hearts. Well, considering the user can target which part of the body Fragarch hits when they use it, hmmmm, couldn't they pick which heart it hit? But I don't even need to use that debate.
And to make it clear; Fragarch's big counter is to not use your trump card against it. It's also no good against people who can heal themselves or take large amounts of damage. Of course, against someone with the constitution of that level, what can you expect. Of course it's powerful. Gilgamesh is one of the stronger characters of this RP, just like Bob, or the Slivers.
With that said, I think I may just take a permanent leave of absence from this roleplay. It's clear that, even if both characters come out living, there has to be a gigantic multi page debate over whether one character gains a pyrric victory they shouldn't even attain in the first place.
What was this debate for, again? In the end, Wizard agreed to let both live. But only when it was on his terms and he "thought" he had Gilgamesh by the balls. That entire unsightly debate was over who got to spare who, nothing more, nothing less.
My apologies if I've angered or offended you during this debate and this post, Wizard. I did not intend to do either if that happens, but I don't believe this is right, and I can't just stand by and let it happen around me.
Lax, Guy, and Sakaki all agree with me on this fact, so yea, sorry guys, we may just be gone soon. I'll do what I can to make sure the decpticons get a fun fight with the goats and Dio gets his ship regardless of whether we leave or not.
Also, sorry for bringing this debate up again, guys. It may be my last post here, so I thought I'd go out with a bang~
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Since Yasu (possessing Sota) just summoned a portal that's creating a whole bunch of Shadow Replicas (shadows that either look like humanoids or are just plain monstrous), any character could run into them.
Now that I'm accepted, can I get an over view of WTF is going on?
Glares at everyone silently as she comes back to a argument/debate. ( not annoyed at those not involved.) I am sorry for not being here...I had to work. In light of this unneeded debate I should impose a rule or so just to avoid more conflicts.
First off...If anyone has a issue with the powers and abilities of a character please take it to the pms. I know a few rper were annoyed and put off by it. NO MORE heated debates.
Secondly when explaining/ listing a oc/cannons ability s please be as descriptive as you can or post up a link. This way we can all know our characters powers and how they work..
I am
not that pissed so ignore the glare. I am sorry if I sound harsh but really we are here to have fun. On the subject of posting I will ask if everyone try to post as reasonably as possible..wait for a responce from the person you posted to if you can..In battles try to slow the pace plz.
I really did not want it to come to this but in light of this debate it had to be done..I will Probably have to implement a warning system ....but only if this happens again.
I apologize to everyone. Just remember a rp is supposed to be fun..not make others want to leave.
And Goat....alot of stuff..battles mainly even I have lost track.
First off...If anyone has a issue with the powers and abilities of a character please take it to the pms. I know a few rper were annoyed and put off by it. NO MORE heated debates.
Secondly when explaining/ listing a oc/cannons ability s please be as descriptive as you can or post up a link. This way we can all know our characters powers and how they work..
I am
not that pissed so ignore the glare. I am sorry if I sound harsh but really we are here to have fun. On the subject of posting I will ask if everyone try to post as reasonably as possible..wait for a responce from the person you posted to if you can..In battles try to slow the pace plz.
I really did not want it to come to this but in light of this debate it had to be done..I will Probably have to implement a warning system ....but only if this happens again.
I apologize to everyone. Just remember a rp is supposed to be fun..not make others want to leave.
And Goat....alot of stuff..battles mainly even I have lost track.
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Goat God said
Now that I'm , can I get an over view of WTF is going on?
Chaos, utter chaos.
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Crashing though a window, the Pyro runs in, with it's flamethrower in it's rubber gloved hands. Pyro sees the giant jet robot
Wait what giant jet robot? What window? Where?
I reposted it... I like posting from the point of view of my character, if the pyro doesn't know a name, I don't post their name until he does.
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I realise that, but you need to describe what character Pryo is seeing so the other RPers can respond. There are multiple jet guys, so a little specification. Also, where he is is quite important, as it could determine what character Pryo is interacting with.
Thanks for getting some detail! :P
I would like to add that the windows on the Ark are designed to withstand reentry, and if he tried jumping through he would bounce off. Also, Elsa (I think) is nowhere near the entrance.
Thanks for getting some detail! :P
I would like to add that the windows on the Ark are designed to withstand reentry, and if he tried jumping through he would bounce off. Also, Elsa (I think) is nowhere near the entrance.
Ice girl= Elsa... But I'll repost
Well uhh... Um.... He stole the soldier's iron boots... There.
Well uhh... Um.... He stole the soldier's iron boots... There.
Elsa is currently breaking down in that room..not at the entrance.
Well then how should he get in then?
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Dark Elsa said
Almighty words.
Elsa, oh Co-GM of greatness. Please tell me you shall be on for an hour more? The Lanterns are coming. A tidal wave of good and bad emotions.
I will be on for a bit longer..a hour or so at most.....app away
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Goat God said
Well then how should he get in then?
Through the open door that Screamer flew out of? It never closed.
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Dark Elsa said
I will be on for a bit longer..a hour or so at most.....app away
I shall, a lot of research is needed of course.
OK then if I go suddenly I'll look them over tomorrow no worries Cala.
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