Sure, but I just thought a roleplay about swords would be the end-all-be-all. I mean, there's going to be combat, and I don't want to fight the guy with Witchblade if I'm not packin' something under the hood too.
Imp said 1. What is the relationship between Seer and causality? The post above seems a bit... confused about it. Now, I understood that the act of telling the traitor about his vision of victory caused the future to change, and thus that the swords do not take into account the changes that viewing the future can bring upon it. Yllicus did not see himself telling the traitor of the foreseen victory, and thus couldn't prepare for the double-cross. Going from here, let's say later, on the journey home, Yllicus sees in the future-sword that the ship will encounter a powerful storm, and uses that knowledge to change course and avoid said storm. Based on what we know already, this would work, because when it saw that the ship would be beset by the storm, the sword did not take into account the fact that Yllicus was watching, and that he had the power to change this outcome.
But, something bugged me about what he did when the ambush happened. He looked into the past, and somehow then he saw the double-cross, as well as the identity of the traitor and the traitor's motive... I just don't really get it. How does the Past sword work? Can it only see trains of causality that affect the wielder in a major way (basically, it saw who the traitor was because the treachery threatened Yllicus' life)? Even so, how could it possibly see the traitor's motive? The train of events went as such: A. Yllicus used the future sword to see his own victory --> B. Yllicus told his men that they would be victorious --> C. One of the men was a traitor, and used the gifted foreknowledge to warn the Dan Hurmding --> D. The battalion was ambushed
So, looking back, Yllicus knew of A., B., and D. from his own experience, only lacking the knowledge of what happened between B. and D. Using the sword, he was able to ascertain knowledge of C., and worked from there. However, the traitor's motive is in an entirely different train of causality, looking like this: Q. Some event caused the traitor to change his loyalty --> B. The traitor heard of the foreseen victory --> C. The traitor warned the Dan Hurmding --> D. The battalion was ambushed. So, B., C. and D. in these trains overlap, but Q. is entirely different, separate from everything else that happened.
The end question is this: how far back is the sword able to see? In this case, it jumped into a different perspective (different from Yllicus), the traitor's, and saw into the traitor's personal history far enough to ascertain the motive for the treachery. Could it go back farther, and show why the traitor was loyal to the empire in the first place? Could it tell Yllicus what the traitor had for breakfast the day he turned turncoat? Or, now that he has been attacked by the Witch, could it not look into her past and see how she got the sword, because that event lead circuitously to the ambush? Does the sword only show the wielder what he/she needs to see at that moment? If the latter, how is the importance of any single event decided? By the Gods? Is everything fated to happen, including the visions seen by wielders of the Seer? Is there truly no free will in this universe? As you can see, it has opened a bit of a philosophical can of worms for me...
Yours truly said 1: Both sword require great focus to use, and even using the future sword, one could easily miss something important(as Yllicus did). When he was looking into the past, he was specifically searching for what caused the ambush. I guess I wasn't clear enough, by the by, but the traitor is someone under the Witchblade's spell. That's what I meant by he saw "why" that person betrayed him. They didn't have a choice, and Yllicus saw him reporting to his mistress, the same woman that Yllicus sees moments before defeat.[/hider]
1B: It doesn't give personal perspective, it views in third person limited(to use a literary term). I believe I gave adequate explanation of how Yllicus divined motive. As for how far back it goes: I intended for it to be difficult the further back you tried to look, but I never really thought of a number, and any I gave would be arbitrary. So, since I'm looking for an arbitrary number: The wielder can never see any further back in time than the moment of their own birth. They also, I should note, can only see things that happen relatively nearby where they are presently standing. Relatively, being, let's say, ten miles? Again, arbitrary numbers, but I suppose a limit should be put on it. And it requires more concentration the further in space and time they might try to look. He was able to divine the betrayal because it all happened between where the ship was anchored, and a small ways beyond the site of the ambush, and all within a few days.
The gods live in time, just as men do. They actually cannot see the future. Seer shows possible futures. What it shows is basically the course that events are taking. Any action taken by the wielder after seeing a prophecy can change it. And the more people the wielder tells, the more opportunity there is to alter the foretold future. So no, there is no predestination. In this world, one does have free will.