[OOC] The War of the Three

[TheWendil]

Take over? Nah. Just giving everyone ideas. I'm here to help after all. If you want players to make their own ideas and be proactive, someone's gotta be there to help get their ideas off the ground, instead of killing it in their infancy. Still if it's not something you want to deal with, it'll just have to be discussed in private.

@Lucius Cypher

So long as that's all it is, by all means continue. You already know my tolerance for your more deviant actions.

[KoL]

Take over? Nah. Just giving everyone ideas. I'm here to help after all. If you want players to make their own ideas and be proactive, someone's gotta be there to help get their ideas off the ground, instead of killing it in their infancy. Still if it's not something you want to deal with, it'll just have to be discussed in private.

@Lucius Cypher

You aren't going to form a circle on this game, Cypher. Keep talking and I'm going to expel you. I don't even know why we deal with you after DGO, so don't tempt me.

[Lucius Cypher]

I've been in stuff like this before... especially with a Mr. Holy Soldier. Guys you aren't going to get anything other than twisted messages and hints and clues. Trust me, I tried before, it failed. I couldn't really get anything. Just hush down and let's see where this all leads.

@Lmpkio

Well that's the fun of such deliberate vagueness, isn't it? If they won't tell you the truth or meaning, then you just gotta make your own awnser. Faith is all about believing anyways, even when the facts are laid against you. You aren't very strong willed if you're easily give up because no one gives you the awnser.

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So long as that's all it is, by all means continue. You already know my tolerance for your more deviant actions.

@TheWindel

As long as I have your approval. I'm not doing anything I haven't already done.

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You aren't going to form a circle on this game, Cypher. Keep talking and I'm going to expel you. I don't even know why we deal with you after DGO, so don't tempt me.

@KoL

I don't expect to form one here. I'm not that good at manipulating or tricking people anyways. I'm just doing my part to make sure that those dissatisfied with how things are going find some enjoyment, in whatever way I can provide it.

[Lmpkio]

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Well that's the fun of such deliberate vagueness, isn't it? If they won't tell you the truth or meaning, then you just gotta make your own awnser. Faith is all about believing anyways, even when the facts are laid against you. You aren't very strong willed if you're easily give up because no one gives you the awnser.

@Lucius Cypher

Oh of course. I can certainly be like this as well. But trying to nag people to get an answer so cock-sure... yeah, do it too much, and it's going to get nasty.

Speaking of which, where's Graf at the moment?

[Flamelord]

Shocking though it may sound, I know that I signed up for a war rp. But I was challenged by Windel to correct the faults in the worldbuilding that I had previously noted. After pointing out that this was a War rp, I then asked Windel for suggestions for stuff to elaborate on that wouldn't conflict with his plans or his lore. In turn I was told to read his mind to figure out what he would be okay with. This has led me to believe that he doesn't actually want me to do anything, and your aggressive response backs that up.

If you want me shut up and tow your line then I will. Just say it straight up and don't do all this evasive bs that just causes and extends more arguments than it solves.

[TheWendil]

@Flamelord

So what suggestions are you making then? Because unless I'm reading wrong, which seems to be a theme between us two, everything you've suggested is already implemented.

[Lucius Cypher]

@Lmpkio currently in debating either going after Balrog, or missing his attack entirely and getting involved in the Henry/Bastion/Shizuka/Zak/Bonesword clusterfuck.

[Flamelord]

@Flamelord

So what suggestions are you making then? Because unless I'm reading wrong, which seems to be a theme between us two, everything you've suggested is already implemented.

@TheWindel

I do not need anything implemented. As I just said, when I inquired with you as to where acceptable areas for fleshing out aspects of the Nexus were, so as to not interfere with whatever you have developed, I was told off. That is the extent of my current grievances, and I did not think I was being particularly enigmatic about that.

[Mega Birb]

@TheWindel@KoL@Lucius Cypher@Flamelord@Lmpkio

Okay everyone take a step back and relax for a second, we're at each others throats over a meme idea. And as for the slice of life thing, that's what collabs are for. I didn't wanna stir shit.

[TheWendil]

I do not need anything implemented. As I just said, when I inquired with you as to where acceptable areas for fleshing out aspects of the Nexus were, so as to not interfere with whatever you have developed, I was told off. That is the extent of my current grievances, and I did not think I was being particularly enigmatic about that.

@Flamelord

It's a bit hard to flesh out areas considering the only lands in the Nexus are Heaven, Hell, Hyperion, and Neutral territories. I mean, I guess you could try and do something with a Neutral territory but what would that entail? Assuming that even matters anymore.

You were told off because the three main areas, that being Heaven, Hell, and Hyperion, are already developed and fleshing them out more is only bringing back a dead horse. That, and it's easy to read the majority of your statements in snark.

[Flamelord]

For an actual suggestion, battles to kinda reflect the War a bit more would be cool. Like reinforcing an ongoing fight or trying to seize land from a faction, as opposed to the race to control unclaimed territory that has been the majority thus far. Like Alt Signua, though not necessarily that important.

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It's a bit hard to flesh out areas considering the only lands in the Nexus are Heaven, Hell, Hyperion, and Neutral territories. I mean, I guess you could try and do something with a Neutral territory but what would that entail? Assuming that even matters anymore.

You were told off because the three main areas, that being Heaven, Hell, and Hyperion, are already developed and fleshing them out more is only bringing back a dead horse. That, and it's easy to read the majority of your statements in snark.

@TheWindel

It is entirely possible to flesh out the Nexus in terms of inside those specific factions as opposed to a grand scale. Most of the fleshing out has been physical descriptions or single sentences like 'humans are slaves' that could be elaborated on. But if you think that the Nexus is perfect as is then I won't bother.

[TheWendil]

For an actual suggestion, battles to kinda reflect the War a bit more would be cool. Like reinforcing an ongoing fight or trying to seize land from a faction, as opposed to the race to control unclaimed territory that has been the majority thus far. Like Alt Signua, though not necessarily that important.

@Flamelord

Hmm. That can certainly be applied. It seems everyone is a fan of the events in Alt Signia so we'll take that into consideration.

It is entirely possible to flesh out the Nexus in terms of inside those specific factions as opposed to a grand scale. Most of the fleshing out has been physical descriptions or single sentences like 'humans are slaves' that could be elaborated on. But if you think that the Nexus is perfect as is then I won't bother.

@Flamelord

I mean, I was under the assumption no one really cared about that. So far everyone just wants a "crazy bar scene" or something similar. For example, the only one who's reacted to humanity being low tier is either you or Alexi. And if the majority of people don't want to bother with specifics like that, then why waste time in doing so? Hell seems to entirely be characterized by the struggle for power and Heaven is just bland Heaven.

[The 42nd Gecko]

Personally, I don't have any particular investment in the coming fight. Alexi and Cydone are dead, and Miyu doesn't care. Artoria'll be there but I don't care enough about Ira or Victoire to bother trying to affect the outcome of the battle. I feel like I asked for a pork chop (rescue Fran), and got given a piece of steak. Now, they're similar, and the steak might even be better. But it's not what I asked for and you pretending it is feels weird.

[KoL]

@TheWindel@KoL@Lucius Cypher@Flamelord@Lmpkio

Okay everyone take a step back and relax for a second, we're at each others throats over a meme idea. And as for the slice of life thing, that's what collabs are for. I didn't wanna stir shit.

@Mega Birb

That's not a meme idea. I really don't know how everyone always dismisses Cypher as harmless and innocent. He just confessed that he wanted people to lose their characters on that mission against Celestia out of nothing but spite for having Fran be captured and his baseless hatred of me.

[Lucius Cypher]

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That's not a meme idea. I really don't know how everyone always dismisses Cypher as harmless and innocent. He just confessed that he wanted people to lose their characters on that mission against Celestia out of nothing but spite for having Fran be captured and his baseless hatred of me.

@KoL

Ah, there's your problem. You think this has anything to do with you. Let's not mince words: I don't like you. But I'm sure that feeling is mutual. But holding a grudge against you? Been there, done that.

I'm not even all that bothered that Fran got captured because unlike you I don't put my character's on a pedestal and demand that everyone recognize their greatness. Fran got what she deserved and I know that. But Fran is also a tool for my entertainment, and at that time, I thought it'd be real fun if someone came to free Fran under some misinterpretation that she somehow has some sway over hell's rulership. The idea that Fran is in some sort of maximum security prison doesn't bother me. Sounds like a good time to me.

If there's one lesson I've learned after our falling out, KoL, is that we both take things way too personally. I try to excuse it by saying if I didn't then I wouldn't care in the first place, but we both know that's just me being extreme again. Honestly, what I want isn't that complicated. I want to have fun. The best way for me to do that is get as many people together and just see where things go from there. I don't have a plan and I don't have a scheme, just a concept that I want to put together, and see things fall into place.

[TheWendil]

Personally, I don't have any particular investment in the coming fight. Alexi and Cydone are dead, and Miyu doesn't care. Artoria'll be there but I don't care enough about Ira or Victoire to bother trying to affect the outcome of the battle. I feel like I asked for a pork chop (rescue Fran), and got given a piece of steak. Now, they're similar, and the steak might even be better. But it's not what I asked for and you pretending it is feels weird.

@The 42nd Gecko

Don't assume this is all for you now. I demand Ira gets more screen time; so she's on the list of being rescued.

[TheWendil]

@Lucius Cypher

I mean, you know what you're capable of more than anyone. It's not too much of a stretch to see why KoL may be paranoid and aggravated at you at all times. Still, you're right in that both of you take things to the extreme.

[Lmpkio]

Let's not go blaming people for putting up misery upon yourselves and dissing each other out, alright? I say this on both fronts, both for the GMs, AND as a loyal fellow follower.

Let's just concentrate on the next battle at hand, or if anything at all, a transition of peaceful chatting and THEN we go to it. Dissing one another solves nothing. Rather it can cause MORE problems on both sides.

Trust me... I know this.

If you really wanna argue, please, there's a reason the PMs exist.

Anyways, I'm done. Go about your businesses everyone.

[KoL]

@Lucius Cypher

The way you twisted everything in your favor is utterly disgusting. But I'll be quiet about this. I have more things to worry about than someone who can beat me in every level of interpersonal relationship.

[Lucius Cypher]

@Lucius Cypher

I mean, you know what you're capable of more than anyone. It's not too much of a stretch to see why KoL may be paranoid and aggravated at you at all times. Still, you're right in that both of you take things to the extreme.

@TheWindel

Yeah, and I'm trying to unwind from that mentality. Strange for me to say of course considering my rep, but I made a promise to change and I'm trying. Perhaps not well, and certainly not anytime soon, but I've already taken steps towards changing. For better or for worse, well, we'll have to see when we get there.