[OOC] モバイルフレーム MOBILE FRAME - To the Stars!

[Sanctus Spooki]

That Jesus fully acknowledged the lacking of anything holy about himself (okay its alot more complicated than that), so I'd be confused as to how he would help us.

[pugbutter]

He'd whoop your behind like your daddy never did. Then you'd know not to talk back to your elders, litter, or roleplay as bisexual zebras.

[Sanctus Spooki]

Bisexual Zebra?

I think Kawal just got a new callsign...

And oh hush, Jesus loves me, this I know. Jesus loves me, for the bible tells me so.

If I got that wrong sue me, it's been years since I even cracked a glance at that book.

[pugbutter]

The least you could do is read Revelations, so you know what to expect when he comes back for the revenge he was denied after resurrecting from the cave

[Sanctus Spooki]

But this is Dead Sea Scroll Jesus, there was no resurrection to speak off, just some pigs blood in a sheep bladder. Out of curiousity, what does Revelations promise for me, I assume plenty of fire and brimstone?

[pugbutter]

He killed the dinosaurs but then God got pissed and put him in time-out so he couldn't kill humanity too

In the sequel he'll manage to kill about a third of the population by burning 1/3 fields, turning 1/3 of the water to blood and a few other neat things (assuming they have the budget to make the CGI look good), but then Satan makes a grand return and distracts him from the humans and they have to fight in a heavyweight cage match before a clear victor over the fate of humanity is decided. That's why it's called "The Bible 2: Revelations - The Return of the Rise of the Demon King," or just "Revelations" for short.

So really it depends on whether you can hear Gabriel's trumpet or not. If you do you're fucked from the beginning, but if not, you have a fighting chance to make it out before Jesus wins the championship belt

Source: I'm a Jesus scholar

[Sanctus Spooki]

@pugbutter

I absolutely hate that I have never wanted to believe in the bible more than I do right now.

[pugbutter]

What do you mean? It's not a question of "if" but "when."

IT'S HAPPENING

IT'S HAPPENING

[Foster]

It already happened.

At least, that's another viewpoint.

A trippy one, but still...

[Sanctus Spooki]

I just want to say the hardest part of making the Frame is trying to decide on its armament, and equipment. Everything else? Eazy-peazy.

[Foster]

Well, we still need could use a sniper.

One that doesn't leave a big firing-signature and can get into hard to reach places.

Also: @DarkStar

Sarah! Come glomp Aristo and don't let go until they post something!

As Richard was wrapping up his sentence, he narrowed his eyes to get a better look at the girl running right for him. When he finally recognized her, his face stretched into a pearly grin before being smothered in her grip.

"Srhr!" he muffled into her chest. Sarah had evidently returned from a period of personal leave, and with little notice save for a bear hug to mark her arrival.

@Aristo

Some of us have waited awhile for this.

[Sanctus Spooki]

Maybe, but I was hoping to go for a faster, agile Frame, sort of like a shock trooper, or something like ww1 italian special force
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arditi

Except not quite as much emphasis on the knife fighting, cuz ya know... robots xD

Typical equipment of the Arditi was the dagger for hand-to-hand combat, and hand grenades.

Some crazy bastards...

[pugbutter]

I was basically trying to design a Frame which was a sniper at the cost of everything else: no mobility, no armor, no spectacular short or medium-range armaments, but its right arm could punch through shit two miles away.

C'est la vie. (Which is French for "Fuck you, Foster." :P)

But yeah, a team of highly specialized mechs which all round each other out would be neat.

[Sanctus Spooki]

@pugbutterSorry, gonna sound nitpicky, but its french for Such is life, or to translate, "Shit happens" but it does effectively work as a sort of "Fuck off/you"

I love saying that too people :D

C'est la vie! C'est la vie!
Me and the head chef where I used to work got a kick out of singing it too :P

[Foster]

I was basically trying to design a Frame which was a sniper at the cost of everything else: no mobility, no armor, no spectacular short or medium-range armaments, but its right arm could punch through shit two miles away.

@pugbutter

Which would've been awesome if FRAMES had miniature nuclear reactors to power some nifty energy weapons.
-But we're limited to whatever can be powered off a 12 cylinder rotary diesel. (in short, you'd have needed a much bigger engine to get 5% the speed of light done with a decent-ish rate of fire, it was a problem of power, and it sucks, chemical propelled solutions seemed like a viable alternative)

The latest military-grade frames are powered by a reciprocating internal combustion engine. It is located in a backpack-like housing unit on the rear of the machine. At its core is a large, V-shaped support axle, to which multi-chamber cylindrical engine blocks are mounted. The cylinders are arranged parallel to each other. The pistons rotate around the support axle as the engine runs. Each engine block’s output shaft is connected to an assembly housing an axial piston pump, an electric generator and an axial-flow fan. This lets it run on both hydraulic pressure and electrical energy. These engines can run on a variety of fuels. Commonly, they are fed refined gasoline and kerosene, though natural gas, alcohol, machine oil, ammunition propellant, liquid rocket fuel and industrial cleaning solvents are technically viable.

Which means all but the lightest frames aren't going to be super-graceful unless falling with style counts (Aristo has a history of telling us not to engage in fisticuffs when another frame can just shoot us, _{although there was this one moment when Sarah pummeled another Frame with her arm, that was more because everything else on her frame was broken... it walso makes for an awesome stealthy takedown}).

Although this is noting latest production military, and I'm almost certain there *are* bigger things than FRAMES established in this universe. So there may be some experimental ones with stuff like micro-Thorium Liquid metal salt reactors in prototyping stages or at the very least bigger things that are closer to Bolo-tanks capable of pretty much one-shot obliterating planets.

And on the low end of the tech-spectrum, we have wood-burning FRAMES.

[pugbutter]

I'd imagined the electromagnetics (both for propulsion and for vaporization) having been generated by the gas engines, but it's not a big deal anymore. "It doesn't match the tone of the RP" is still a good reason not to include something.

[Sanctus Spooki]

I get what you are trying to say Foster, but I'm a bit confused as to the sources you chose to quote,

The latest military-grade frames are powered by a reciprocating internal combustion engine. It is located in a backpack-like housing unit on the rear of the machine. At its core is a large, V-shaped support axle, to which multi-chamber cylindrical engine blocks are mounted. The cylinders are arranged parallel to each other. The pistons rotate around the support axle as the engine runs.

Once again, not to be a douche, but this is an engine. That's all.

Each engine block’s output shaft is connected to an assembly housing an axial piston pump, an electric generator and an axial-flow fan. This lets it run on both hydraulic pressure and electrical energy.

This I would assume is the core of your argument, and much more helpful. To start, electrical motors are highly favorable for rapid acceleration, and deceleration, but terrible at maintaining speeds, it's why many hybrids will use electricity during acceleration, then switch to gas power while maintaining a relatively constant speed (This also permits recharging of the battery during operation) The downfall to electric motors is generally their lack of actual power (Torque for you non-layman) if you want to see this in action, stick your hand into a fan (this may be a bad idea depending on the kind and design of fan) It's spinning ridiculously fast, but I can stop mine with a pinky, and only.
Hydraulics on the other hand, generate ridcuously high amounts of power (if a fan was run off hydraulics, it wouldn't be good at keeping you cool, but if you your hand in, and it got stuck, you better hope the fan's blade is made out of some real shit material) at low speeds. It's also very reliable when it comes to power transmission (smooth movements) provided a leak isn't sprung.

Properly combined, these two systems would be rather reliable for smooth, graceful movements.
For rapid twitch like movements (What I assume you meant) much less so

[Foster]

-Gets technical for the sake of getting technical because bored and waiting for Aristo.

I'd imagined the electromagnetics (both for propulsion and for vaporization) having been generated by the gas engines, but it's not a big deal anymore. "It doesn't match the tone of the RP" is still a good reason not to include something.

@pugbutter

Well, to figure out how many seconds it'd take between shots, we'd just have to figure out how many spare megawatts the engine cranks out, and convert to joules per second, divide by demand from the railgun, and add a figure for whatever energy is lost through the charge/discharge cycle of the necessary capacitors. But generally, you'd get a nice 20 shots an hour from a generator hooked up to a semi-truck engine running flat-out. Which makes a 57mm autocannon look ridiculously OP.

A Tank-engine ripped off an M1 Abrams can maybe get you up to 2 rounds per minute while consuming a metric ton of fuel.
-Laser weapons are even more fun, HELEX figured it would take 2 tons of fuel and lasing-media to take down a mortar-shell.
This was deemed worthwhile compared to a similarly capable missile system.

Things get awkwardly math-like in this hider ARISTO KEEP OUT

Lead acid batteries have proven capable to achieve the necessary rates of discharge, but I'm not sure if we have them in the near hundred of thousands of megajoule capacities in compact packages. There's a graph somewhere depicting max energy-densities to discharge-rates of various electrical storage methods I ran into back in 2007, and in summary it isn't really good (it is possible, maybe, if your frame is willing to make some pretty huge sacrifices).

The mass and volume requirements of these storage-devices is why after 2006 people started clinging to ETC guns to vastly improve burn-rates of otherwise normal shells, as it was about as close to a railgun as most fictional tank designs would get while only sacrificing a bustle-rack's worth of ammunition-capacity. Plus such high bursts of raw-energy could come in handy if you had an electric auxillary drive or some electronic countermeasures.
-So a frame with railguns or ETC would have a nifty sprint feature, maybe, which is nice.
-ETC was also nicer on tanks since it could almost keep up with the demand for firing 20 rounds in under a minute

The Navy likes railguns because their nuclear boats generate enough spare power to charge a shot every 5 seconds in the gigajoule-range and probably have enough spare storeroom-space to fit enough capacitors for a 5 round burst. I just kinda wish they'd opt less for "KE weapons are the future" and "muh magazine capacities" and start tackling how to lob some 'ol fashioned explosive ordnance out of those things.
-5" guns are still a thing because a large number of fire missions are simply for smoke and flares, two things railguns aren't even trying to do, yet. Kinda wishing they would. Or at least nuclear artillery... something...

Kinda hinting we may run into large railguns and stuff, just not in the swing-arms of the lowest common denominator of the battlefield.
-We are, after all, just scaled-up infantrymen in the scope of the RP, and is a bit much to expect the equivelent of one-manning a crew served weapon by ourselves, on foot. Even though people kinda have, for short periods of time, when running on adrenalin...

I'm a bit all over the place with this, and it's more of a ramble than anything important.

But in summary, since this isn't an energy-centric alt-future full of readily-available energy, energy weapons probably aren't on the menu for the theme unless pressed through with sheer determination and cold hard math and sciencing the shit out of the problem.

>Still looks for an excuse to press the issue with math and science

[Sanctus Spooki]

nuclear boats

Foster

Thats one way to describe a nimitz class supercarrier xD

[Foster]

<Snipped quote by Foster>
Thats one way to describe a nimitz class supercarrier xD

@Sanctus Spooki

Nuclear boat in hurricane gives no solid cares