[OOC] ▲ OVERWATCH: A New Era. ▼ (Overwatch Roleplay)

[Tominas]

And chatting with Vicier, assignments will be handed out in the next couple of postss

@Caits

[MarshiestMallow]

@MiddleEarthRoze
You obviously have done the research however if you are using websites they are generally just an overview. Medical databases and medication databases such as MIMs gives you everything that is correct about a drug. I've been doing this for eight years. Yes while diazepam suppresses the CNS, it does so dangerously. Anyone compromises as I image Virgil would be would actually be at risk of...death. And I imagine since he has the parasite of actually losing more ground with it.

There is another drug that does the same as Diazepam but doesn't have those harmful effects. It is the same type of drug, I just can't remember the name. I'll have to grab my notes cause it's in those I've just written, which I'll do so after I play with my kitten. I just thought you might like that, and be a little be more accurate. I don't like messing about with diazepam because it is a tricky drug.

And yes people are different but I can tell you, no matter what person, what condition, what they come in with, every single one of my patients in my experience across four hospitals and two community health areas who were on diazepam were on it for sleep issues. Every single one has good use with it even after years.

And there is only so much coffee can do to keep someone awake. After even 24 hours awake, your brain and body lose a lot of its ability to function normally. The longest anyone has ever survived without sleep is 10 days. Well that...I'm not going to get into the...let's just leave this at that. Caffeine is a drug. But it only goes so far. Eventually, receptors are saturated. Eventually the body just goes "nope. Time to sleep" and yes I know that that may be different for insomnia, but eveventually the body overpowers that. The body knows it needs sleep.

Let me just say that there are reasons why diazepam is no longer the number one benzo prescribed

Oh and it was actually meant to be "I didn't say that middle earth was wrong" the wrong just got...lost.

[Vicier]

Okay; so I only just woke up, and am probably going to be going back in for a nap cause it's way too early for this shit called "adulting" but... look, I'm all for people mingling between the organizations; but I needa know what's up with the fact that Sombra is handing out missions to Overwatch agents...

And please don't take this as an attack; I'm just very confused right now

[Jacobite]

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[Solo]

I think Sombra's calling in favors to protect her assets. ^^

[MiddleEarthRoze]

@Vicier

Sombra needs to look after her favourite drinking buddy! It's not really a mission, just a favour.

[Vicier]

Okay... next time, if it's around assignment handing out time, please just shoot me a heads up cause there goes the idea of Genji going on a mission, and no, it wasn't gunna be with Lucas; it was something different, she wants second opinions at the moment, and since Fareeha is going to be busy, she called on both Lucas and Genji to consult with because between the three of them they would cover a few concerns. Crap, now I hafta "adult" and actually think about what to do cause she won't stop him walking out, loll

[Jacobite]

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[Sodomite]

@Caits

Eventually the body just goes "nope. Time to sleep" and yes I know that that may be different for insomnia, but eveventually the body overpowers that. The body knows it needs sleep.

Caits

This is so laughably untrue, I can't even deal with it and honestly, it's pretty condescending. As someone who struggled with insomnia, linked with depression, for years and took a variety of sleeping pills, sedatives and the like, there isn't a point where the body 'knows it needs sleep'. After several days of not sleeping, it's true that a person can slip in and out of a light sleep involuntarily but there's not a hard limit where a person drops into a proper sleep automatically. If there were or if sleeping pills were as effective as you've implied, insomnia would be much less painful to deal with than it is.

As @Jacobite has stated, the things you've said have been proved false in the personal experience of people in this group. Whether what we've known is the norm for all people is debatable, though I know others who've also had difficulties with the effectiveness of sedatives, but it doesn't exactly matter, as Virgil seems pretty much like what has happened to me. He hasn't displayed any symptoms that fall out of suspension of disbelief or even outside of personal experience, so I can't see why @MiddleEarthRoze has been harried about this, especially after your comments following the opening post.

@Vicier
I can't speak for the other characters, but I explicitly stated in Reinhardt's bio that he's not a full-time Overwatch agent and that he goes wherever the action is. Currently, the action is where McCree is.

[MarshiestMallow]

@Jacobite
Yes. But it seems strange that sombra is giving ow agents jobs. I don't mind not knowing about it but Vic as the GM does need to know. Otherwise she's scrambling and her own development for everyone is slowed because of it.

Sadly for you I guess the slice of life stuff is development. It is leading into things. This introduction section is...what has to happen. After all even in the comics they aren't always fighting.

[Vicier]

@Jacobite; just pointing it out, but it is a slice of life roleplay... even says so in the tags above, so interacting like this, comes with the territory; and as Cait mentioned, I said that I would be handing out assignments in my next two posts. I don't go back on what I say. So again, assignments will be handed out in my next two posts; if characters aren't there, or choose to walk out, Angela won't be chasing after them unless she needs them specifically for something, they'll just miss out.

[MarshiestMallow]

@Sodomite
I'm not going to argue anymore because what's the point? I've suffered with insomnia and depression for years myself. Approximately 13 actually.

I have personal experience as well and yes I do know that drugs become less effective. I know all these because I have the personal, professional experience to back it up as well as the knowledge.

I'm just not going to argue it anymore.

I merely wanted to suggest a medication that does the same and is better given that middle earth has an interest in that sort of thing. It was merely meant to be one like minded individual (in this sense) to another suggesting something that could be better in the long run.

So. Sorry.

Drugs are a personal favorite of mine to know. And I do get a little...over the top about them. I never meant it as an attack and feel like everyone has just blown my intention out of proportion.

I don't like diazepam, because it can be such a dangerous drug.

[Vicier]

@Sodomite; oh I know, that's fine, I was just asking for clarification on what was happening cause I was very confused, loll

[MiddleEarthRoze]

@Caits

Just gonna bring you back to this post. While I'm not wanting to dredge up past issues involving other people, I have to think you're being nit-picky at my Virgil post now, especially compared to the previous one. You said things such as "not everything is exact-people are different" and "this is a roleplay with a talking ape and a dog that is definitely not normal. And you're arguing about the accuracy of an illness?", but when it comes to my own post - which is definitely not in the realm of ridiculousness or improbability as you're stating - I have to be absolutely, medically correct while taking into account every possible drawback and negative side-effect?

Also, you're assuming that he's taken enough Diazepam that it would be negative, and also assuming he isn't feeling any negative effects from his sleep deprivation? You're blowing the contents of my post out of proportion. Virgil may have taken one tablet to relax or attempt to go to sleep (that half-hour "Snooze" that was mentioned), but I didn't think to say how many he took because I didn't think anyone would care?

[MarshiestMallow]

I also said that Vicier knowledge was actually medically sound. I have the text books and journal articles to back that up.

And I also said that I merely wanted to suggest a better drug given that you are interested in that stuff, but I guess I can't do something nice.

I'm giving up, because I can't do this anymore.

I'm going back to posting now.

[Jacobite]

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[Sodomite]

@Caits
Friendly advice, if you don't want to argue about it anymore, don't make a post that continues the argument.

EDIT:

I also said that Vicier knowledge was actually medically sound. I have the text books and journal articles to back that up.

@Caits

I'd be interested to see those sources, if it's not too much trouble.

[Vicier]

@Caits@Vicier

I mean, I'm cool with it because I have a character who exists outwith forty posts of introductions and is doing stuff. I'm just worried that not much seems to be happening for the others.

I'm enjoying the slice of life stuff I did in introductions with Ana and Jack. Right now I'm loving cutesy old people remembering the good old days when they were soldiers while remaining a respectable distance from one another. My primary interest is finding somewhere for Genji to get some similar emotional scenes - breakfast chatting about the weather doesn't quite cut it. Plus, the faster he's out in the world, the faster real slice of life can happen with big brother Hanzo - a little "bromance-before-I-kill-you" :)

My characters are stagnating in Forks, Washington! It's like the Twilight Saga!

I'm glad though that Genji won't be missing out on much (except some weird ass touching). Right now I believe I'm looking for opportunities for him to make friends so that in future slow periods it's easier to find slice of life development, and the best way to do that is by fighting alongside... or against someone. Gonna send him to Carson City to help out the Overwatch agent he heard about stuck there!

@Jacobite

He's actually missing out on an assignment that was going to introduce another character, and that has to do with not only a not so good character, but also has ties with Ana. This was going to open up the roleplay and give him that opportunity to create new connections, and allow there to be a new location to explore (Egypt); I also accounted for the fact that his brother would definitely be looking for him, and with all of Egypt being their playground for the time being, and with the characters involved (introduced, yet to be introduced and NPC) I was sure it was going to make for some interesting interactions and bonding moments for the both of them.

Now... as for this other matter; and I know I'm going to cop flack about this, but... enough... please... If every time someone posts about something medical we're going to have long and winded conversations about it, then what is the point..? I am getting sick of this. And no, this is not an attack on anyone, I am just saying exactly what is on my mind at this point, because it happens with every damn post and it's just beginning to get old. Now, I understand that we've all discussed that posts involving OTHER PEOPLES characters are medically relevant, and as such, research into procedures and treatments is going to be a part of this roleplay; not to mention life-experience is also going to play a part in this. However, I am not going to sit here and read another twenty or so posts arguing about whether someone is arguing or not. I'm just not going to do it. If you're going to do that, take it to PM- I don't want to see it.

IF HOWEVER, you are going to have an intellectual discussion, much as adults do (and again, we're "adulting") then by all means, go ahead and converse here in the OOC, I will happily even join in on the action. I will not have anyone attacking another for their opinion in this roleplay; and I will not have anyone disrespecting, or making another person feel as though they are doing something wrong by speaking up with either a simple question, or a suggestion. Now, I have kept my mouth shut for quite some time; and I won't be doing that for much longer as I am getting tired. So, it's as simple as this:

THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU TYPE

This goes for everyone. I don't want to come in here, and every time I say something, have to write the words "this is not an attack" or need to write the words "I am just curious" for people to know that I'm not arguing with them. I'm sure we all understand that what we say effects other people, yes, but please do be mindful to keep that in the forefront of your thoughts while typing out a response to others in this roleplay. I want this to be a place where we can discuss things as rational adults, and actually have fun; not a place where we feel nervous to type something into the OOC because we're afraid it will be taken the wrong way, or where we're divided.

Now; I shouldn't have to say this, but this IS NOT an attack on anyone- it is simply me putting my foot down, and letting a warning out to everyone (INCLUDING MYSELF) before it ever gets to this point.

Now I do apologize to you all for having rambled the way that I have... so, I give to you, Angela's birds...

[Vicier]

Once again, I apologize for the long winded response, now, if you can excuse me, I shall go work on my post giving out assignments for you all :'3

[Eisenhorn]

@Vicier Make as many long winded posts as you want, as long as its wrapped up with something like that picture everytime. In all seriousness though, I hear ya loud and clear.