The American Spring: An Alternate Present RP

[ClocktowerEchos]

Personally I don't see why you just go the route of a lot of military defectors but still want democracy and all that only they have a bone to pick with the current government. Its stated IC that just about everyone hates the people in power, doesn't mean they hate the system but that's just my ramblings.

[Rai]

I dont want much land. I just want to do business across territories.

[Dinh AaronMk]

Contimplating as joining as free market radical anarchists. Mostly directed to making profit in beneficial ways. Though i may skew the line for fun. As profit = helping is a asepct of anarcho capitalism.

@Rai

There is no ethical consumption under late stage anti-crony capitalism.

[BingTheWing]

Contimplating as joining as free market radical anarchists. Mostly directed to making profit in beneficial ways. Though i may skew the line for fun. As profit = helping is a asepct of anarcho capitalism.

@Rai

I was considering a confederacy of ultracapitalist oil barons in the Dakotas - would that be too similar to your idea?

[Rai]

@BingTheWing
I have no real solid plan besides roaming traders and a land for inventors.

[NecroKnight]

@Keyguyperson

Still room for a player? I wanna join.

[Dinh AaronMk]

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I was considering a confederacy of ultracapitalist oil barons in the Dakotas - would that be too similar to your idea?

@BingTheWing

I don't think there's much oil in the Dakotas. Just natural gas.

Though this brings up something very worth considering: how necessarily would any faction in this RP be able to conduct such industrial operations as they would have prior?

Generally speaking, to have investment - material and financial - to carry stuff out like this you would need backing from hedge funds or some shit or other groups who would expect eventual returns on their investment. And the chance of getting any sort of return and the costs of operation in an unstable nation would drive up the costs and thereby lowering the profits. Actual civic or industrial investment from anyone not a charitable organization from outside would would be very small or entirely non-existent. Material support would most likely stem from outside countries looking to bolster the military strength of preferred groups on the off-hand chance they'll seize power and play nicely with them.

In all likelihood it would be "barons" fracking in an area using resources and infrastructure available to them before civil breakdown, and holding onto what already exists because it takes a while to actually expand operations. Meanwhile the collapse of the US and the collapse of the dollar too would further destabilize any notion of financial stability outside self-sufficiency, local trade, or even the black market; I say this because buying from anyone an active political power within the United State's civil war would be comparable to buying oil from the PKK or any Kurdish group today because that's indirectly considered buying from a terrorist cell.

The rest of the world would be shifting their energy needs to sources that aren't politically volatile or are totally independent or political volatility.

[ClocktowerEchos]

Maybe there are nations "backing" each of the factions who are their primary benefactor unless they have like a crime ring to support them?

[Dinh AaronMk]

Maybe there are nations "backing" each of the factions who are their primary benefactor unless they have like a crime ring to support them?

@ClocktowerEchos

This might be a thing, but for any major commercial activity the best anyone'd hope for is support with weapons and shit. But this boils down to who which nation would prefer. On a broader scale most reasonable great powers - the UK and western Europe most likely, Mexico and Canada too - may actively be seeking a diplomatic solution to the conflict to stitch America back together again. So in order to not perpetuate the conflict military aid may be minimal as well, or out of necessity flowing directly to the old "legitimate" government of the United States to strengthen their position against imposing odds and instability. The international community's response to the war would be, with the exception of China, Russia may stay out of it is trying to put the old US back on track to maintain the old balance of power.

A model we'd have to be looking at would be the Russian Revolution and the old Ten Days That Changed the World. Global powers would be funneling resources into the US, but only to try and back up the old government in the same way the UK and US tried to give the White Army or Russian Republic material support to combat the Bolsheviks, and then as soon as the war was lost had to go back in with their armies just to recover the stuff they sent to the old provisional or imperial government to keep their stuff from getting into the hands of the new government.

Commercial cooperation with groups would be comparable to trying to buy oil from Northern Kurdish Iraq, they'd have the supply there but political competition from other nations or factions that can get in the way would make actively buying anything impossible or so frustrated it's not worth it large-scale. So like competing over the flow of internet data through the physical land-lines of the US, everyone would be throwing themselves at stopping the other person from turning the valves to the outside world on to actually get any material benefit.

Interestingly, @ClocktowerEchos would probably control all Trans-Atlantic communication over the internet. The giant-ass bundle of cables laid in the Atlantic to move internet traffic from east to west flow into his territory. That means the BBC, AlJazeera, and other European or whatnot outlets and means of communication would begin and end there in America.

California would probably control Trans-Pacific communication.

[ClocktowerEchos]

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This might be a thing, but for any major commercial activity the best anyone'd hope for is support with weapons and shit. But this boils down to who which nation would prefer. On a broader scale most reasonable great powers - the UK and western Europe most likely, Mexico and Canada too - may actively be seeking a diplomatic solution to the conflict to stitch America back together again. So in order to not perpetuate the conflict military aid may be minimal as well, or out of necessity flowing directly to the old "legitimate" government of the United States to strengthen their position against imposing odds and instability. The international community's response to the war would be, with the exception of China, Russia may stay out of it is trying to put the old US back on track to maintain the old balance of power.

A model we'd have to be looking at would be the Russian Revolution and the old Ten Days That Changed the World. Global powers would be funneling resources into the US, but only to try and back up the old government in the same way the UK and US tried to give the White Army or Russian Republic material support to combat the Bolsheviks, and then as soon as the war was lost had to go back in with their armies just to recover the stuff they sent to the old provisional or imperial government to keep their stuff from getting into the hands of the new government.

Commercial cooperation with groups would be comparable to trying to buy oil from Northern Kurdish Iraq, they'd have the supply there but political competition from other nations or factions that can get in the way would make actively buying anything impossible or so frustrated it's not worth it large-scale. So like competing over the flow of internet data through the physical land-lines of the US, everyone would be throwing themselves at stopping the other person from turning the valves to the outside world on to actually get any material benefit.

Interestingly, @ClocktowerEchos would probably control all Trans-Atlantic communication over the internet. The giant-ass bundle of cables laid in the Atlantic to move internet traffic from east to west flow into his territory. That means the BBC, AlJazeera, and other European or whatnot outlets and means of communication would begin and end there in America.

California would probably control Trans-Pacific communication.

@Dinh AaronMk

Could just be corporations giving weapons to whom ever they want. Maybe special interest groups like far-left/far-right parties and organizaitons look at which factions they like the most and send some extra help their way. Also, I had no idea I was sitting on the cable hub of the eastern seaboard O_O

[Byrd Man]

Can I do a thing with just a single character? No nation, no faction, just someone trying to live day to day?

[BingTheWing]

Perhaps I could sell natural gas on the black market - isn't that what ISIS does with oil?

[LordZell]

Damn, you miss like 2 days and things really heat up. I should have my sheet updated and fully posted sometime tomorrow.

[Abefroeman]

So, this looks really, really cool. I mean like, so dang cool, that it is on par with Pluto cool. So, is there a map to reference what lands already be claimed?

[NecroKnight]

I plan on taking New York City.

Does anyone have that or not?

I want NYC

[BingTheWing]

I'm also thinking of making a theocracy in the Deep South - surprised anyone hasn't thought of that yet.

EDIT: They're also gonna be financed by Israel lol

[NecroKnight]

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[ClocktowerEchos]

@NecroKnightI hate to say it, but I already have NYC as well as most of the cities in the north east. Check my NS on page one.

@BingTheWing I believe someone talked about having a southern group of communists before, might want to check it.

[NecroKnight]

@ClocktowerEchos

Several dozen rats on a stick...fuck.

Is Washington D.C still available?

[Chairman Stein]

So everyone is clear I finished my Cascadia app so that land is LOCKED boys.