The American Spring: An Alternate Present RP

[Dinh AaronMk]

@Dinh AaronMk
I just don't see how the US military vanishes the way the gm makes it sound like it does. All those assets are still out there and since you have players with control of states like texas or california access to US military assets should be more common than the GM makes it sound like.

I suspect it's a asymmetrical situation as I just don't see why some players wouldn't have access to jets, helicopters, ships and tanks. The situation isn't apocalyptic (no nuclear war between America and China occurred after all) and the US has tons of energy resources even if global trade has collapsed which it likely did as China is probably a pariah state over the destruction of the worlds orbital infrastructure and the global economy tanking is just inevitable in this situation.

@Arawak

True, but a large part of what was the American military was either in active deployment or already posted overseas. Roughly a third of the US armed forces serve overseas and the deterioration of the political climate at home would leave them at limbo or abandoned. It might be presumed it'll be difficult to recall them, or incapable of doing so. And with a large body of the US military also technically 'at float' in the Pacific a lack of satellite communication would cut them out too.

Further, civil conflict on this scale doesn't exactly invite economic activity. As is the case of countries going through civil war trade tends to avoid the country and to go around it directly. Systems of checkpoints at the edge of each faction's territory would create too much red tape and the chaotic situation would no doubt lead to corruption among any group, given that many factions may not be able to pay to keep pace with the devolving situation. Financial sectors like New York would be thrown into chaos with the region taken over by basically monarchist homeless people so any funds held by banks or private savings would have been wired over to Europe. So even if US military assets reached home its doubtful any group would be able to use all of it. Like with the battleships we have "saved" from WW2, carriers and large warships would be mothballed and set aside until someone can actually afford the upkeep and staffing requirements.

[aladdin_sane]

So many revisionists...might be nice to have some actual Marxists ;p

[Chairman Stein]

@aladdin_sane Excuse me we have at least one or two Maoists and ONE of them happens to have Hoxhaist sympathies AND defends the DPRK.

[Keyguyperson]

I am contemplating being Oathkeepers or some radical group of that nature.

I just think there are people severely overestimating the military capabilities and ideological projection capabilities of other countries here. The US is still military super power here. A humilating defeat trying to invade a country whose military philosophy was built on guerrila warfare from the days of Mao onward doesn't make the US military which has bases literally all over the world magically vanish.

Blowing up a couple super carriers and satellites doesn't mean a country with a global military hegemony suddenly loses that edge. The worst case scenario is a loss of our military activity in East Asia due to being rebuffed by China. The US military is like 6-10x more expansive than the next largest military. The power balance is very lopsided... Intervening in the civil war of a super power would be a massive, massive gamble for any foreign force.

Also does the US international military still carry out operations even if the domestic situaiton has collapsed? I mean, they are likely without their CiC to set an agenda but they're still likely out there. A military without a country and all that.

@Arawak

I should point out that the USA is NOT defunct. The Federal Government does still control a large portion of the military, and overseas forces still exist. There is technically still a war against China and North Korea, but it's mostly being fought by Japan since there isn't much left in the way of homeland support for American troops. Obviously, the government is trying to bring back as many troops as possible since the situation is severe enough that they might as well have been invaded (I mean, there ARE Chinese backed forces on the Gulf Coast).

For the government, the problem is that they simply couldn't fight the rebellions with the loyal forces they had left on the continent. If the minds of humanity weren't being radically changed by the unseen force of the mysterious beings known as "Online Play-By-Post Roleplayers", then the government could have just mobilized the national guard and called reservists up if necessary (and China probably wouldn't have Kessler'd it up). Here, though, there's rampant desertion among those same forces. The objective of the government right now is to consolidate the loyal forces and get a pushback going before the rebels start to get solid control over their territories.

I'd also like to ask everyone if they're willing to give up some territory to the feds, since we're filling up quicker than I expected and there isn't much room left for the poor fucks.

@Keyguyperson

When will this game be started?

@NecroKnight

Tomorrow or Monday. IC will be open around then, but I'll only post after Thursday because that's when I have my math final and if I don't get a B on that then I fail the class.

[Chairman Stein]

I'd also like to ask everyone if they're willing to give up some territory to the feds, since we're filling up quicker than I expected and there isn't much room left for the poor fucks.

@Keyguyperson

I already surrendered Idaho so I'm not sure I can really give up anymore land... However if need be and no one else could cede territory I'd be okay with surrendering Washington and having Cascadia left to Oregon proper if it came to that.

[Dinh AaronMk]

Comrade @Keyguyperson senpai, what is answer to:

Can I do a thing with just a single character? No nation, no faction, just someone trying to live day to day?

@Byrd Man

Answer pls or face gulag deth squids lik spam ses will happen

[NecroKnight]

@Keyguyperson

Hmm. Well, Texas might be an ally - if you ignore their mass arrests of liberals and any left-minded individual.

[aladdin_sane]

@aladdin_sane Excuse me we have at least one or two Maoists and ONE of them happens to have Hoxhaist sympathies AND defends the DPRK.

@Chairman Stein

I was just rustling your feathers :p Also calling Canada...idk if I need to make a sheet for it though.

[Mao Mao]

I could just rename my nation to the United States, if you want me to. Since I am planning on playing as the remains of them.

[Sovi3t]

If it's alright, I'll scrap my idea for a faction and instead play as a pre-existing country. Is Russia or China allowed?

[Mao Mao]

Only Mexico and Canada are other countries that can be played.

[LordZell]

Name of Faction: The National American Reunion Front
Flag:
Platform: Military Dictatorship/ National Liberation
Important Individuals:
Governor-General James Conrad
Territory: Utah, Colorado

History: Lead by General James Conrad a veteran of the war with north korea and chinese
offensive was assigned to Area 51 shortly before the civil war. He was reassigned due to the increasing need for advanced weapons and was believed to be fanatically loyal to America even with the growing unrest in the country. After the Civil War began and James heard other commanders break away he contemplated long and hard. While he knew America is the bright haven of democracy in the world but was being led by a corrupt and ineffective government as such he thought it best to take matters into his own hands and with his men decided to form the NARF, while they may lack the numbers many others hold. He believes with the weaponry and experience of those under him and the people who still believe in America will join his cause.

Military Forces: While the NARF has a limited amount of manpower they make up for in their technology and ammunition. Holding the base of Area 51 and other hidden military bases with Utah and Colorado. They are able to use a mixture of guerrilla warfare for defense and mobile blitz for early assults.

Alright here's a sheet for the true americans.

[DepressedSoviet]

@LordZellArea 51 is outdated terminology, and was really only used by the CIA to refer to the base. Proper names for the base are Homey Airport, or Groom Lake/Groom Lake Air Force Base. It's also primarily used for testing Aircraft and Air-based Weapons, so your utilization of the technology housed there would be limited to that field of conflict for the most part, and that's without mentioning that many of the projects there are likely prototypes barely ready for field testing. It's also less of a 'base', and more a defended airfield, with it primarily being a remote detachment for Edwards Air Force Base in Southern California, and considered by the government to be an extension of Nellis Air Force Base. It's past experiments include the Lockheed U-2, A-12, D-21, Have Blue, and F-117 Nighthawk, and testing Soviet and Chinese Aircraft captured during various operations. Official CIA involvment lasted until 1979, and since then it has been under jurisdiction of the military brass at Edwards.

So while having the base under your control would aid in air combat, without also controlling the nearby Nellis AFB, and Edwards AFB, you'd be rather limited, and it CERTAINLY wouldn't give you a significant edge in most forms of combat.

[LordZell]

@LordZellArea 51 is outdated terminology, and was really only used by the CIA to refer to the base. Proper names for the base are Homey Airport, or Groom Lake/Groom Lake Air Force Base. It's also primarily used for testing Aircraft and Air-based Weapons, so your utilization of the technology housed there would be limited to that field of conflict for the most part, and that's without mentioning that many of the projects there are likely prototypes barely ready for field testing. It's also less of a 'base', and more a defended airfield, with it primarily being a remote detachment for Edwards Air Force Base in Southern California, and considered by the government to be an extension of Nellis Air Force Base. It's past experiments include the Lockheed U-2, A-12, D-21, Have Blue, and F-117 Nighthawk, and testing Soviet and Chinese Aircraft captured during various operations. Official CIA involvment lasted until 1979, and since then it has been under jurisdiction of the military brass at Edwards.

So while having the base under your control would aid in air combat, without also controlling the nearby Nellis AFB, and Edwards AFB, you'd be rather limited, and it CERTAINLY wouldn't give you a significant edge in most forms of combat.

@DepressedSoviet

Thank you for informing me on that. Yet still even if it's not the most ideal many of the better places are picked and I think I'm one of the few factions to have actual US veterans and up to date weaponry rather then militas. Also there is of the idea of using trying to reform america as I'm sure in each other nation there are those that would support us so... I have that going for me I guess.

[NecroKnight]

@LordZell

Cool. Your connected by border to the New Texas Republic.

Perhaps we can join forces to purge the leftist-disease off America, yes?

[Jpp188]

Well if its allowed im gonna slot myself in as Mexico (Planning on having the current government fall to their own rebels who are inspired by the fall of the United States) So you can count me in on this, Ill have the sheet up probably tonight or early tomorrow.

[Dinh AaronMk]

Well if its allowed im gonna slot myself in as Mexico (Planning on having the current government fall to their own rebels who are inspired by the fall of the United States) So you can count me in on this, Ill have the sheet up probably tonight or early tomorrow.

@Jpp188

Their only hope.

[Chairman Stein]

So... Any news?

[NecroKnight]

@Chairman Stein@Keyguyperson

Aye. When can we get an IC open and up for posting?

[Jpp188]

Well Just gonna throw this here to lock me in as Mexico :)

Nationalist Union of Mexico

Name of Faction: The Nationalist Union of Mexico (Commonly know as the NUM).

Flag:

Platform: The official government form is a Representative Republic, but to everyone in the government, it is definitely a Dictatorship. The Government is very Nationalistic and is looking to expand its influence. The political aspect is a Third Position styled government with Nationalism for the cultural aspect and Socialism for economic aspect.

Important Individuals:
Esteban Herberto - Current "President"
Juanito Gastón - Current "Vice President"
José Paquito - General of the Army
Vito Santiago - Admiral of the Navy
Evelia Abigaíl - Air Marshall of the Air Force
Josué Ricardo - Head of National Security

Territory:

All of the States in Blue are under full control of the NUM, all of the States in Red are still Loyal to Mexico, though they are still considered part of the NUM

History: Even in the early days of the the War between the United States and North Korea there had been talks of revolution. A quiet whisper of We should attack now or How long can they keep this up?. The government of the United States of Mexico caught word of rumors of the unrest and tried to quell them, but all they managed to do was stoke the flames.

August 15th, 2017: Peña Nieto sat contently in his house in Mexico City, casually doing an errand or getting something to drink as his country started down the path of revolution. The Nationalist Front of Mexico had organized a coup, and this time they had the support they needed. The United States had suffered unforeseen casualties and defeats, and this had awakened the citizens of Mexico, they wanted to either have the land that the United States had stolen from them returned, or they were going to make the United States suffer for that land.

An officer in the Army named Esteban Herberto was assigned to protect Peña, along with his small squadron, little did Peña know, Esteban was part of the Nationalist Front, and he was upset by the lack of action against the crippled United States. Juan Carlos (The President of the Nationalist Front) set up plans for a coup of all of the states in Mexico, it was just up to Esteban to capture the President.

Esteban and his squadron were able to detain Peña without firing a shot, and on the peaceful day on August 15th, 2017 the military was delivered with an ultimatum, swear loyalty to Esteban and the Nationalist Front or fight for the now crumbled Republic of Mexico. Unfortunately for the Nationalists, the military was more loyal than expected. A small civil war burst from the coup, but within a few months most of the force had been dealt with by the Nationalist Loyal military and the support of their ally Italy.

Today in January, the Nationalists reign supreme, having gained acknowledgement from the UN as being an official country, a few States in Southern Mexico and Tamaulipas have Loyalist Cells inside of them and are trying to set up a Government, but being outnumbered almost 1:5 they have a slim chance of survival. As for the public, they are content with their government, already there has been modernization and Military production is on the rise, and the public opinion of a reclamation war is as popular as ever.

Military Forces:
Roughly 320,000 Soldiers (About 100,000 Defected during the Civil War)
300,000 Minute Men Styled Milita (Army of the National Front)
Undisclosed number of Aircraft, Land Vehicles, and Ships (Due to increased Production)
Small amounts of Foreign Aid from Italy, Turkey, and Ukraine

Under New Leadership the tactics have been reworked, NUM operate similiar to Germany in WWII Bombing military targets and then blitzing in with vehicles and support aircraft. Though squad based training is still focused on as well. The Nationalist Front have based their military on the Old USA style with a few blitz tactics mixed in.