[OOC] Devil's Advocates (Saving the world...by burning it down!)

[The Jest]

@The Jest

Hey, can I still join?

@Godlikeblade

Why yes you can. ^_^

[Godlikeblade]

@The Jest Here ya go

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Name: Vladimir Quake

Age: 17

Gender: Male

Appearance

Height: 5'10
Eyes: Blue

Desire: The destruction of every angel and the false society they have created

Ability: Explosion Manipulation

Weapon: A specially made shotgun that he found that can fire HE Rounds, AP Rounds(Armor Piercing), Non-lethal Rounds, AP Rounds(Anti personal) Due to its auto adjusting barrel

Weapons Appearance

Personality: Before he touched the corpse he was a very calm and collected person who usually keep a lot of things to him self, but ever since he touched the corpse he's been very loopy, Crazy and out of hand he also loves music and most likely have headphones on during most missions

Other: He also has a very strong Russian accent

[The Jest]

@The Jest Here ya go

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Name: Vladimir Quake

Age: 17

Gender: Male

Appearance

Height: 5'10
Eyes: Blue

Desire: The destruction of every angel and the false society they have created

Ability: Explosion Manipulation

Weapon: A specially made shotgun that he found that can fire HE Rounds, AP Rounds(Armor Piercing), Non-lethal Rounds, AP Rounds(Anti personal) Due to its auto adjusting barrel

Weapons Appearance

Personality: Before he touched the corpse he was a very calm and collected person who usually keep a lot of things to him self, but ever since he touched the corpse he's been very loopy, Crazy and out of hand he also loves music and most likely have headphones on during most missions

Other: He also has a very strong Russian accent

@Godlikeblade

I don't have a problem with it myself, although I need to ask my partners about it first. ^_^

[The Jest]

@Godlikeblade

My apologies for the Double-post, but you are approved. Go put it in the CHAR section.

Also, just a reminder to everyone else, (@Windstormugly @Bishop @A Blue Chord @Silvir @Petulant @Red Helix @Ragrar @Warborn123) that the IC IS up and waiting for you all to post. ^_^

[Warborn123]

Ok Humanity was so evil that god himself had to put an end to it, but the angel's came and fixed the world, so the Angels create a perfect society where every ambition is fulfilled, everyone is happy, and everything is perfect, and we're trying to change everything so that people can be evil, crappy human beings again.

Wait..Are we technically the bad guys?.

[Godlikeblade]

@Warborn123

Sort of, Yet again you have to think about how we are freeing the people letting them have free will again but at the same time we are destroying things so I would say half and half

[The Jest]

Ok Humanity was so evil that god himself had to put an end to it, but the angel's came and fixed the world, so the Angels create a perfect society where every ambition is fulfilled, everyone is happy, and everything is perfect, and we're trying to change everything so that people can be evil, crappy human beings again.

Wait..Are we technically the bad guys?.

@Warborn123

It shocks me how incomprehensible this concept is to some people.

It's true that everything is hunky-dory thanks to the angels, however, there is a reason they say there's no such thing as Perfection, or rather, why perfection should not exist.

Desire and want has been taken from the human race. What feelings they may have are only illusions in this state of being, a way of the angels to make them feel more enjoyable, more entertaining in some cases. Everyone are quite like puppets being pulled by their "consciences", the angels that tell them what to do and what to think and how to feel.

Everyone IS "happy", but not by "choice". They are not alive in that state, they are really no different to machines in that respect.

Yes, the end result of their rebellion will return the world to having crappy people, but it will also return to having people that are happy because they 'choose' to be happy, back to people who 'chose' hope of their own volition, instead of having it forced upon them.

In the perspective of what is being done to achieve this: Yes, we are the bad guys, the terrorists, the Monsters. At best, our goals are a Moral Gray and there's no denying that. But it's ultimately for a benevolent intention...even if the people outside the infected, or the infected themselves do not see it.

[Warborn123]

@Godlikeblade yeah but everyone believes they have free-will, everyone is controlled to be happy, wouldn't you want to live a life where all you're dreams come true, everyone is nice and you live in luxury forever.

Why would you want to force people out of their paradise and into some world were everything is flawed, you're dreams don't come true, and you're likely to die of a disease, get murdered, kill yourself because of some mental illness, suffer for most of you're life only to die of old age.

What the angel's did was take all the bad parts out of life, what we're doing is shoving all the bad parts back in because "we'll be free", and we're killing innocents to accomplish that.

[Godlikeblade]

@Warborn123

True, but like what the jest just said we are the bad guys but we do it to bring back the choices in life like being happy or angry and so we can live our own lives without being told what to do

[Warborn123]

@The Jest It's neither shocking nor incomprehensible, you speak like having my opinion is stupid and I'm stupid for having it, but I'm pretty certain if you were to ask random people if they wanted to live in this world, most of them would say yes.

Wants and Desires still control us, technically you could say that feelings, goals, motivations are all just illusions of the mind. if we'd fix the world, people would be enslaved to their own ambitions or desires, now all of a sudden those angel's aren't the one's guiding your actions its you're ambitions and motivations, sometimes those ambitions can be really bad, like having a drug addiction. there are some good ones but in the angel's world, all of our fake motivations and ambitions only lead to one thing. Happiness.

In this world all of our ambitions lead to more than one thing, and they can mislead us.

We're no better than the angels, we're taking a way that we think people should think and we're forcing it right on them, it's not freedom at all, we're just replacing a angel for something else.

@Godlikeblade We will live our own lives, but we might not be truly happy with the free will we're given, imagine if you're having the time of you're life, everything is great, you got a dream job, dream wife, dream house. then all of a sudden some teen assholes "enlighten" you and you realize that you hate every single shred of you're life and now you're introduced to sadness, depression, hatred, anger, madness, revenge. when you could only feel one thing, happiness.

[Godlikeblade]

@Warborn123@The Jest

When it comes to this we all have our own opinions on this matter, so we should not argue about this and just let each other belive what we want to belive

[Warborn123]

@Godlikeblade alrighty then!, sorry if I came off as rude or mean, I just wanted to argue for fun

[Godlikeblade]

@Warborn123

It's all good, and its always good to hear other people's opinions

[The Jest]

@The Jest It's neither shocking nor incomprehensible, you speak like having my opinion is stupid and I'm stupid for having it, but I'm pretty certain if you were to ask random people if they wanted to live in this world, most of them would say yes.

@Warborn123

I assure you, that was not my intention. I meant you no offense, it's just that I noticed how it seemed like this concept incomprehensible to some people. I won't say how or why that is, and I admit, I might be to blame for that. Maybe I didn't write it as properly as I should have, or maybe some things just never occurred to me that people would use.

I agree with @Godlikeblade, however, that this IS morally debatable, and that we would be going around in circles til the actual trumpets sound. At the very least, we are in a moral grey. Desire, as needed for the existence as I feel it is, I will not deny is the mother of all sin, after all. Restoring it, or keeping the world without it, each has its reasonable points, and we shall leave it at that.

But interestingly, as an experiment to what you said: I have been asking everyone I know out of curiosity if they agreed with this post, and so far the answers has been "no." I will grant, however, that it's still early on, give them time and they might prove you right, you never know. But so far, they disagree.

[CriticalHit]

@The Jest Oh this looks cool, you got any spaces left?

[The Jest]

@CriticalHit Always happy to have a fellow P5 fan: Yes. there is space left. ^_^

[CriticalHit]

@The Jest Sweet I'll get a CS up momentarily. Just a question real quick. Would a power revolving around fear be possible? In your first OOC post I noticed you said that "all mankind's evils were expunged from their souls" Now would that render others fearless? I just want to be sure I'm not blatantly ignoring your lore.

[The Jest]

@The Jest Sweet I'll get a CS up momentarily. Just a question real quick. Would a power revolving around fear be possible? In your first OOC post I noticed you said that "all mankind's evils were expunged from their souls" Now would that render others fearless? I just want to be sure I'm not blatantly ignoring your lore.

@CriticalHit

A good question, you get a thank for that. XD

The answer for that is both yes, and no. It's not really that they are "fearless", it's more like fear is incomprehensible to them, they don't understand fear because nothing in their life would make them fear. As @Warborn123 has put it, the world is filled with happiness and peace, so fear would be an eldritch concept to them.

Destruction, too, is an eldritch concept to them. That's why the objective will be destruction, and from destruction, fear shall follow suit as they struggle to understand. Like an infection that starts to loosen the angels grip upon them.

[Godlikeblade]

@The Jest

Is that a yes or a no?

[The Jest]

@The Jest

Is that a yes or a no?

@Godlikeblade

Honestly hard to say. It really depends on if you believe "Unable to understand or comprehend fear = Fearless". If you believe that, then yes. If not, then no.

In this case? I suppose it would mean that, so yes, they are technically fearless. But not for long. ^^