World-Building Section

[Ruby]

@RubyYou can edit the name to say "World Building" and then merge the Character Sheet section in there as a subsection. It makes it easier and condenses forums. My argument has been "Should a World-Building section be made?" How it is made whether adding a section or editing an existing one, however it is done, is not the argument. The argument was whether it should exist or not and it seems since majority of the people in here have been using the Test Forum like a world-building thread despite disagreeing with its existence...that alone says "Yes. It needs to happen."

@Holy Soldier

I understood the argument.

I say no simply because I don't think it's necessary to narrow the focus of the existing Test forum. Keep it as is, enhance it's functionality by switching to RP threads, the users already use it for that, they're already there. Changes to the Guild, for reasons, are typically best approached by path of least resistance that still achieves the most common good.

[Holy Soldier]

@RubyBut are they testing BBcode for a RP they are "world-building"? Or Testing BBCode for non-RP reasons? I haven't seen people using it for HTML or scripts. Or anything that a test forum normally has.

[Ruby]

@RubyBut are they testing BBcode for a RP they are "world-building"? Or Testing BBCode for non-RP reasons?

@Holy Soldier

Why not both?

[mickilennial]

Why not both?

@Ruby

Absolutely. Some people work on RPs, others articles, others formatting. Test Forum is all of these. It does not need to change.

[Carlyle]

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Absolutely. Some people work on RPs, others articles, others formatting. Test Forum is all of these. It does not need to change.

@Inkarnate

After all, it does say: "Test forum features, post, BBCode, signatures, and anything else here."

[Ruby]

Funny thing is, it's not a bad idea, the world building sub-forum. And if Mahz was being hyper-active, I can totally see him adding it. Much like the PW--if it fails, ohwell, why not try it? Might be popular. Not so much for this Persistent World RP, and a World-Building sub-forum might not be very active either, but it's an idea to keep around if you really think the Guild needs it. I could see it happening down the road.

[Holy Soldier]

@RubyHaving a clear description for it would help highlight its existence. I asked in the Guild Features if one existed and nobody knew it existed. Then I happened to look at the Test Forum after I was looking at the other sections to see if people were dropping world-building threads in there, and literally, the entire Test Forum was full of world-building concepts. :/ Though it's not advertised as a world-building section or anything RP related. I can only suppose that was why people didn't know what I was talking about.

[Ruby]

@RubyHaving a clear description for it would help highlight its existence. I asked in the Guild Features if one existed and nobody knew it existed. Then I happened to look at the Test Forum after I was looking at the other sections to see if people were dropping world-building threads in there, and literally, the entire Test Forum was full of world-building concepts. :/ Though it's not advertised as a world-building section or anything RP related. I can only suppose that was why people didn't know what I was talking about.

@Holy Soldier

It's advertised as a "do what ya want"--but I get what you mean.

[Holy Soldier]

@RubyYeah. It's not in a role playing section or role playing category. Yet...it's predominantly role play. The idea that the Character Sheets was in Off-Topic when it is role play related and not off-topic was to also better the organization and fix the discrepancy.

[Carlyle]

@RubyYeah. It's not in a role playing section or role playing category. Yet...it's predominantly role play. The idea that the Character Sheets was in Off-Topic when it is role play related and not off-topic was to also better the organization and fix the discrepancy.

@Holy Soldier

One could say the same about roleplaying discussion but no one has brought up moving it. At best I could say it might be worthwhile to put it along with character sheets in their own roleplaying category, but frankly, I think it is fine as it is.

[ArenaSnow]

Sounds to me like people are already using the infrastructure...

So again...

...why fix what isn't broken, who's made a good argument in support, and where are the silent majority who are in favor of this idea when you need 'em?

[Holy Soldier]

@ArenaSnowYou know, probably roleplaying and living their life? They're in Discord. The idea is supported, but if it is not possible for whatever reason, out of the Mods control since it seemed like its something Mahz would have to do, then I am going to keep this open so that it can continue to get feedback. As I said, "one day" worth of feedback was nothing the intention. I was going to have this open for a month or two.

I am going to tweak the OP since the Test Forum is basically an unofficial world-building section (the one people said they knew nothing about, hm). It changes the topic.

[mickilennial]

Funny how people who know it exists use it en masse. Seems like these people who don't know it exists are the minority.

[Holy Soldier]

Thus why I'm leaving it open to give others a chance to finally comment. There was a lot of spitfire going on. There will be feedback.

[ArenaSnow]

The idea is supported,

@Holy Soldier

[citation needed]

I'll believe it when I read solid cases for it from people who think it is a necessary change. My entire point is necessity of changing what isn't broken. No indication thus far, beyond one person's disagreement, would say it is broken.

They're in Discord.

@Holy Soldier

One person is a flimsy 'they'.

[skidcrow]

@Holy Soldier I don't see why you want to keep this open for more feedback. Ruby provided a perfectly good solution that doesn't call for any drastic changes, and that's to add the roleplay tabs to Test Forum threads. If you're so hellbent on getting an entire subforum added or editing an existing one, why pretend like you wanted other people's opinions in the first place? As the situation currently is, an entire subforum for world building - or a shift of focus for an existing one - is simply unnecessary. The extra tabs in the Test Forum should prove an adequate way to world build as soon as Mahz can get around to it.

[Holy Soldier]

A World-Building section, if you've ever seen an actual one, is a stand-alone forum. I don't see why adding an OOC, IC, Character Thread (tabs) you would see when you stand the game up. I don't see how that would be a solution when simply renaming the Test Forum to say "World-Building" and rewriting the description to include world-building is an easier change or renaming the Test Forum and creating a blank forum for the Test Forum when hardly anyone uses it as what it was originally deemed to be would be better I guess. The Test Forum is actually a waste since people can test signatures by easily adding it to their name and then looking at it. Bbcode is already tested with the "preview" function. This site doesn't use HTML, bots, or scripts, so it seems like an overall useless forum even if it is claimed that one is needed when it isn't.

The World-Building section literally is a section for drafted ideas that you either use or don't use. If you try and merge RP tabs on there because you are hoping people will always turn the drafts into a RP, then that's a waste. Using the test forum as an example, for each game, you would be able to make as many threads as you want versus one thread to encompass all of your ideas without worrying about "clutter" or what anyone else says. A Beast Log and even a Towns, Cities, and Kingdoms log is definitely going to get their own threads and not be smashed into one thread. Since it will be constantly updated and the ease of scrolling through the information and only that information is granted.

But that is literally all that needs to be done. Making an extra tab for world-building in the RP format is not a good idea lol.

Actually, I take that back. That is not all. I should be able to permit a select few of people to add or edit the creations. So when I make a thread, if I have co-GMs or friends building it with me, there should be a function to allow them to edit the post. Similar to how co-GMs are added to a game. Co-GMs given permission by the OP would allow for collaborative writing without the need for a third-party program. If you are running a website, you want people to use your website more versus using other websites. It is business practice. The better your features, the more users will come to your site.

If you have lost interest in this discussion, no one is forcing you to continue.

[KoL]

Man, this thread is golden. I love it when someone asks for opinions but is not willing to listen.

Anyway, let me throw my chip into this discussion, if only so that my post isn't declared off-topic and "not to be entertained".

You know why I like the Guild? It's because it's simple. The more stuff you add on it, the harder it gets to use, so I'd rather not have to keep tabs of another section of this forum is possible. Even though I appreciate the quality writing of many members, this is not a novelists' community, we don't need more sections dedicated to fluff when the ones we have work.

Next stop would be what, separating RPs in sub-forums for each genre so that people can know better where to post their sci fi, or fantasy RP?

Also, why not do your world building on your own RPs? Where the players are several times more likely to actually pay attention to it.

Plus, the way I'm seeing your arguments, you are saying that those who don't use a World Building section don't do world building, which is a fallacy.

100% in favor of adding tabs to other sections, though. It has been my long lasting dream to be able to do tabbed RPing PMs, and I can only see the system helping in other environments. But, another section is a big no. EW is already there to make us scroll down to reach the RPs for no reason, I don't think we need more.

At least I don't.

Actually, I take that back. That is not all. I should be able to permit a select few of people to add or edit the creations. So when I make a thread, if I have co-GMs or friends building it with me, there should be a function to allow them to edit the post. Similar to how co-GMs are added to a game. Co-GMs given permission by the OP would allow for collaborative writing without the need for a third-party program. If you are running a website, you want people to use your website more versus using other websites. It is business practice. The better your features, the more users will come to your site.

@Holy Soldier

We still can't even add more than 2 co-GMs, have the abilities for a GM to do more than 10 bans, or delete posts from their own RP. Don't you think that you are making a bit of a tall order just to satisfy your ego?

[mickilennial]

@KoL

Yeah, agreed. There’s also the whole option of using a wikidot or wikia (or even PMs! Gasp!) to create compendiums to dedicate more information and time to world building. I’m still not convinced convoluting anything said about the usefulness of renaming/creating/etc of a world building section. RPG’s utility is efficient as long as it is simple and definitely not cluttered.

[KoL]

Also, it's not like adding a lot of bling will make RPG become main stream.

Roleplaying is a hobby of a sliver of the population, the argument that adding more features will attract more players is likely the emptiest one. What it would do is push people who like to take it ease away from here.

After all, you really think that we will ever get to Iwaku's levels of cumbersomeness someday? There's a pretty obvious reason why I'm here and not there.