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[Dolerman]

@Dynamo Frokane I stand by my earlier comments. There have been three good Spider-Man movies and one that is just okay but a victim of its own era.

@Fabricant451

And I stand by my put-down there have been no good spider-man movies previous but one was inoffensive and another was okay. If the PS4 game was a movie it'd be better than all of them.

I haven't seen Spider-verse but I'll take your word for it that it's good, it looked good.

But being the best Spiderman movie is like being the best Digimon Game.

[Fabricant451]

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And I stand by my put-down there have been no good spider-man movies previous but one was inoffensive and another was okay. If the PS4 game was a movie it'd be better than all of them.

@Dynamo Frokane

Ehhh it'd be maybe third.

But being the best Spiderman movie is like being the best Digimon Game.

It's Cyber Sleuth, by the way.

[Dolerman]

It's Cyber Sleuth, by the way.

@Fabricant451

That's an interesting way to spell 'Digimon World: Next Order'

[Hey Im Jordan]

wrong general fuckers don't make me get the mods involved

[Dolerman]

But Digimon World Next Order Owns

So how about that movie Widows? Easily the best movie of the year IMO.

[Fabricant451]

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That's an interesting way to spell 'Digimon World: Next Order'

@Dynamo Frokane

The fact that there are, based on this, two good Digimon games kinda wrecks the comparison don't it. gg no re

(I don't really like the World games apart from World 2 and even then that's just out of blatant nostalgia because that game is hot trash)

[Dolerman]

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The fact that there are, based on this, two good Digimon games kinda wrecks the comparison don't it. gg no re

(I don't really like the World games apart from World 2 and even then that's just out of blatant nostalgia because that game is hot trash)

@Fabricant451

Ithink all the world games are trash apart from the next order, so that's ONE good Digimon game and my comparison remains unwrecked.

But talk about movies.

Did you know that Saya No Uta might be getting a film adaptation?

[Fabricant451]

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Ithink all the world games are trash apart from the next order, so that's ONE good Digimon game and my comparison remains unwrecked.

@Dynamo Frokane

That still makes two good games, then, since Cyber Sleuth isn't a World game.

Did you know that Saya No Uta might be getting a film adaptation?

I can't forsee an outcome where this is a good idea.

[Dolerman]

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That still makes two good games, then, since Cyber Sleuth isn't a World game.

@Fabricant451

I dont consider Cyber Sleuth a good game.

I can't forsee an outcome where this is a good idea.

@Fabricant451

For 90% of visual novels I'd agree but Saya No Uta is short enough where I think a movie adaptation could work without cutting too much from the narrative and its also 'universal' enough where it could be a non-japanese adaptation and still make sense.

Hence why it already got adapted as an american comic.

[PrinceAlexus]

Anyone seen mortal engines?

Good. Bad?

Flaming dumpster fire or a diamond in the rough?

[Fabricant451]

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I dont consider Cyber Sleuth a good game.

@Dynamo Frokane

Of course you don't, but then there still exists other good Digimon games so still the comparison is flawed gg no re.

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For 90% of visual novels I'd agree but Saya No Uta is short enough where I think a movie adaptation could work without cutting too much from the narrative and its also 'universal' enough where it could be a non-japanese adaptation and still make sense.

Hence why it already got adapted as an american comic.

The American comic was trash, though. A live action Saya no Uta would either suffer from Japan's comical lack of decent effects or a lost in adaptation western adaptation where it would likely cut out all the squicky morally evil stuff and make next to no money. There's a reason why visual novels/eroge work better in the serialized/animated sphere.

[Dolerman]

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Of course you don't, but then there still exists other good Digimon games so still the comparison is flawed gg no re.

@Fabricant451

According to who?
We are still talking about my opinion here, my comparison is fine.

The American comic was trash, though. A live action Saya no Uta would either suffer from Japan's comical lack of decent effects or a lost in adaptation western adaptation where it would likely cut out all the squicky morally evil stuff and make next to no money. There's a reason why visual novels/eroge work better in the serialized/animated sphere.

@Fabricant451

Yeah but it wasn't trash because it was american, it was trash because they changed key points of the story that made the original effective. And I'm not talking about aging her up to not be a loli, that has almost no bearing on the story.

-They SHOWED you Saya's true form, which is a basic headfuck no-no.
-They made the main characters 'guro-verse' a non-constant thing, which takes away from the despair.
-They made Saya and the MC the 'good guys' in some biological experiment plot which turned it from depressing lovecraftian horror to an edgy conspiracy adventure.

And some other shit I can't remember.

There is a market for fucked up modest-budget independent movies with morally grey themes. Jacob's Ladder, Nighcrawler, The Fly, and Splice are all films that share the main 'controversial' themes of Saya without any insane content cutting.

If they can adapt Stephen King novels they can adapt Saya.

[Fabricant451]

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According to who?

@Dynamo Frokane

The community of people that plays Digimon games still.

If they can adapt Stephen King novels they can adapt Saya.

Worked out for The Dark Tower

[Dolerman]

The community of people that plays Digimon games still.

@Fabricant451

All 15 of them? Fair enough.

Worked out for The Dark Tower

@Fabricant451

The source material wasn't that great to begin with tbh

[Fabricant451]

The source material wasn't that great to begin with tbh

@Dynamo Frokane

Hasn't stopped them from making IT. Or Under the Dome.

[Dolerman]

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Hasn't stopped them from making IT. Or Under the Dome.

@Fabricant451

Which was actually my original point, these kind of films/projects do get greenlit & made.

[Fabricant451]

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Which was actually my original point, these kind of films/projects do get greenlit & made.

@Dynamo Frokane

Yes, and it's my point that these projects are almost always bad.

[Dolerman]

Yes, and it's my point that these projects are almost always bad.

@Fabricant451

Carrie, Christine, The Shining, Misery, Stand By Me, Firestarter, The Dead Zone, The Running Man, The Children of the Corn, Shawshank Fucking Redemption, The Green Mile, Apt Pupil, IT, Gerald's Game, The Mist, Survivor Type, Dolores Claiborne and Cujo beg to disagree with your nuclear hot take.

[Fabricant451]

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Carrie, Christine, The Shining, Misery, Stand By Me, Firestarter, The Dead Zone, The Running Man, The Children of the Corn, Shawshank Fucking Redemption, The Green Mile, Apt Pupil, IT, Gerald's Game, The Mist, Survivor Type, Dolores Claiborne and Cujo beg to disagree with your nuclear hot take.

@Dynamo Frokane

Three of those movies are good.

Which goes in line with the whole 'almost always bad'.

Much like your views on Digimon Cyber Sleuth, I don't think most of those are good movies. Thus my initial comment stands.

More to the point, many of King's adaptations fundamentally gut and change things to be more palatable to often ill effect because no one is going to buy into cosmic turtle bullshit that King loves so much. Good luck selling audiences on a movie where the central character fucks a Shoggoth loli girl who feeds on semen in order to remake the world in her image while also having the titular character turn the nothing female supporting characters into fodder and a mindless fuck slave. Because somewhere between 'central character fucks a Lovecraft' and 'feeds on semen' is where the studio starts demanding a rewrite until you get Jennifer Lawrence's boring ass shitting up the Song of Sara.

[Dolerman]

no one is going to buy into cosmic turtle bullshit that King loves so much.

@Fabricant451

Attach Joss Whedon or JJ Abrahams to the project and they will call it a masterpiece

Good luck selling audiences on a movie where the central character fucks a Shoggoth loli girl who feeds on semen in order to remake the world in her image while also having the titular character turn the nothing female supporting characters into fodder and a mindless fuck slave. Because somewhere between 'central character fucks a Lovecraft' and 'feeds on semen' is where the studio starts demanding a rewrite until you get Jennifer Lawrence's boring ass shitting up the Song of Sara.

@Fabricant451

I know you are only being about 80% serious with this but I'll bite any way.

Like I said, the Loli shit has no bearing on the central theme of the story whatsoever. You could age Saya up to say 19 and get the'creepy innocent' effect that was achieved in Ex-Machina.

You seem to forget there were 3 supporting female characters in Saya No Uta. The Doctor was essentially the anti-hero adversary. Hollywood continues to get away with far far far worse in regards to female representation so I can't see this being a problem.

Women being eaten by monsters is about as old as cinema itself so I don't even know why you're pretending that is an issue.

Being turned into a fuckslave would be controversial but could be fairly tame if the shift it more to a 'timid servant' and play up the fact that she had a crush/ was already attracted to the main character so the sex isn't non-con just being turned into a Cthulhu is the main source of anguish. Again, not huge take away from the story. She is still a 'former friend turned into a monster' which is what the plot is asking for.

'Feeds on Semen' is a unnecessary eroge detail to amp up the blowjob scenes. The analogy is clear, she is a black widow spider/brood mother/plague. They could easily change it to 'his sexual energy' or 'his life force' and nothing is really going to be lost in adaptation in terms of plot.

This isn't anywhere near the first movie where sexual themes are explored with a non-human entity. It was pulled off with Under The Skin, Teeth, Splice, and it's predecessor 'Species' and pretty much any 'weird science' type movie with a higher than 12 rating. These movies get made.

It's funny you mention Jennifer Lawrence because while I think she is an overrated peice of breathing furniture. She actually starred in Mother! Which is probably more disturbing than Saya for most people and it still got a bunch of awards and made it's budget back.

Once you remove the unnecessary shit Saya isn't as hard to adapt as your trying to make it out to be.